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It's wishful thinking because you're comparing a figure that hasn't yet been hit or announced but giving Sony credit for 3M, while MS has already announced they're over 2M and they're still selling consoles, but apparently none of those count. If you're going to going to round a number that's less than 1.5 up to 2 based on projected sales into the future for one vs. a figure the other has already surpassed more than a week ago, you may as well go the whole hog and say it's 50:1 because PS4 will hit 100M and MS hasn't reached 3M so they're still at 2.
I'm sorry you find me disgusting, but I'm sure that you continuing to say that at every opportunity is part of the reason why this is a delightful place.
You said in a post that you wouldn't be surprised if Sony had sold 3 million units.
You then made your weird totally wrong 66%/33% comment.
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Aside from the fact that 3 million to 2 million isn't 66%/33% (lol), you certainly were acting like it was the current state of affairs. Where in that paragraph did you act like that was some future prediction?
After being called out on that repeatedly, you back-tracked to this "prediction for the future" stance.
And you didn't answer my second question.
If Sony is supposed to reach 3 million by the end of the year...
And MS was at 2 million on December 10th or so..
How in the world does that coincide with your 3:2 prediction?
Still waiting for consolewarz's Sony or NPD links proving his claim of: "PS4 is at 3M, while X1 has stayed at the same 2M" so he can get to his claim of a 3:2 ratio.
He made this claim a week and a half ago.
He made this claim a week and a half ago.
I actually missed that part of his sketchy "3M claim"..... "or past it already". LOL
But don't worry consolewarz. Not sure why you are so insecure. I think just about everyone knows PS4 will outsell X1. more countries, an earlier ship date, more hype and $100 cheaper. Who knows, while Sony said they were at 2.1M on Dec 1 and MS said X1 was at 2M on Dec 9, maybe Sony sold an additional 4M units in a week to get to 6M vs 2M. A nice 3:1 ratio as just about every online poll claimed. LOL
LOL. I knew consolewarz would change his claim. Instead of a number change, it's a now a time period change.
Around Dec 10 or 11, "PS4 is 3M. A 3:2 ratio over X1". Now it's "PS4 will be 3M by end of year"...... (with no X1 number).
But don't worry consolewarz, I'm sure PS4 is ahead of X1. You'll find hardly anyone (if anyone) who will disagree. When a gadget releases later, is $100 more, has worse PR, and sells in one-third the number of countries, it should surely sell a fraction of the former. Numerous polls show the one product winning by 3:1 and 4:1.
And there's definitely a possibility PS4 will be at 3M end of Dec as you now changed tune. But to maintain your 3:2 ratio (which you've been revising down for a while), you might want to change (again) your X1 sales estimate as it's surely not going to stay at 2M for 3 weeks to uphold your 3:2 ratio. LOLOL
We'll have to see in January what the final shake out is after 2013 sales are tabulated to see how close the race really is.
Around Dec 10 or 11, "PS4 is 3M. A 3:2 ratio over X1". Now it's "PS4 will be 3M by end of year"...... (with no X1 number).
But don't worry consolewarz, I'm sure PS4 is ahead of X1. You'll find hardly anyone (if anyone) who will disagree. When a gadget releases later, is $100 more, has worse PR, and sells in one-third the number of countries, it should surely sell a fraction of the former. Numerous polls show the one product winning by 3:1 and 4:1.
And there's definitely a possibility PS4 will be at 3M end of Dec as you now changed tune. But to maintain your 3:2 ratio (which you've been revising down for a while), you might want to change (again) your X1 sales estimate as it's surely not going to stay at 2M for 3 weeks to uphold your 3:2 ratio. LOLOL
We'll have to see in January what the final shake out is after 2013 sales are tabulated to see how close the race really is.
You are lying and fake quoting me over things I've never said. Deliberate and malicious lies. Obvious and disgusting trolling. You are either a troll or crazy.
You must be deliberately trolling over pre-DRM 180 figures by now, nobody can be this dumb after being corrected over and over.
You must be deliberately trolling over pre-DRM 180 figures by now, nobody can be this dumb after being corrected over and over.
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Not sure why you are so mad. You've been a big "ratio war" guy for ages. Whether it's now or end of year, PS4 will surely have a ratio advantage. I knew right from the beginning PS4 would sell more (at least at the start). Never mind the price, PR or the fact PS4 sold in NA a week early...... just the country allottment alone is all I need to know. When MS is in about one-third the number of Sony, the chances of selling more is slim to none, as the likelihood of MS having the same or more manufacturing capacity than Sony who is going for a global spread is also slim to none.
So be happy with your ratio win. It's not close to the 2:1, 3:1, or 4:1 polls, nor even your recent 3:2 made up claim, but hey PS4 sold 1.1M in NPD (GAF math) vs X1 at 900k. That's an 11:9 ratio. PS4 needed an extra 7 days, but still winning. And PS4's 2.1M vs X1's 2M sales in early Dec makes it a winning 21:20 ratio.
You're ahead. Why be mad?
Hey consolewarz, just curious too as you've never answered this..... do you even have a PS4 yet? Or are you a sideline fan?
You'd be surprised. Or whatever brief sensation occurs in the milliseconds between being presented with something that contradicts what you believe and the decision to ignore or attack it.
Funny thing about consolewarz's "PS4 is going to destroy X1 in ratios wars" with his fudged numbers is that it seems he doesn't even have a PS4.
It used to be overall sales, then key regional sales (NA, Japan, Europe), now individual country is the hot analysis.
You never know, if the data is available, people might argue about neighbourhood sales....
(I heard from a friend that within a 3 block radius from my place, Xbox One has sold more than PS4.)
No kidding.
Any sales, polling, or store availability data seems like reason to argue.It's going to be a long generation... I'm going to go fix myself a sandwich.
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The consoles have been out for one month and the generation will probably last a good 7-8 years like 360/PS3. Going by that, this generation has only lived through a fraction more than 1% of its life cycle before next next gen starts around 2020.No kidding.
It's going to be a long generation... I'm going to go fix myself a sandwich.
If you're going to bypass time making a sandwich, you might as well go full out and work from the bottom of the chain and grow the wheat, raise the pig, and grow the veggies yourself!
Didn't you know France is the video game capital of the world? If you've won France you've won it all!!!!!!!11
No kidding.
It's going to be a long generation... I'm going to go fix myself a sandwich.
I have popcorn...
all of this is completely irrelevant and unnecessary...
until there are solid numbers with solid timeframes (x units sold in y weeks) - nothing posted with this type of information brings any value... And even after that .. Who cares?
the *only* real statement that can be made right now is that, based on current supply and demand, both are selling very well and all the doom and gloom reported earlier this year with expected 3:1 or 4+:1 sell through ratios are obviously debunked...
at best there's a 3:2 (depending on the market/region) that's highly suspect..
at the rate they're selling... It'll be very close through early next year (1.5:1)....
the true interesting results will be Q2-Q3 next year when the 2nd wave of games come out...
Agree, jsgiv. Like many, many people have said, we're talking about differences in supply right now. Doesn't tell us much about demand, except that it exceeds supply for both consoles. And none of the numbers will tell us much until well after demand is satiated.
But hey, people got to argue about something, I guess.
But hey, people got to argue about something, I guess.
I can't believe I'm having to quote myself to sidestep the fake quoting and strawman attacks by "intellivision" and "hrudey".
We're still in a supply constrained launch period. The metrics haven't even had a chance to be made apparent yet, and they're still the most reliable indicator of long term sales. Despite that I was brazenly attacked over and over in that "MS sells 2 mil" thread before even posting in it because "hurr metrics were wrong".
Also, you try keeping every i dotted and t crossed when there's a mass of rabid animals making troll pictures, insulting, fake quoting, taunting, and jeering at you because they don't understand what "supply constrained" means.
Almost that entire "MS sold 2 million" thread is utterly shameful and the complete opposite of sanity or reason. It's hard to keep everything straight when there's literally a half dozen ignorant posters attacking and mocking you because they think "MS sold 2 mil = metrics wrong".
"the fact PS4 sold in NA a week early...... just the country allottment alone is all I need to know" Both irrelevant to a supply constrained launch, and pointed out to you over and over. A week doesn't matter for supply, and during supply constraints that stock is going to sell out to almost any market it's shipped, whether US or Europe or Asia.
It's a hypothetical ratio GIVEN AS AN EXAMPLE, not a statement of fact or a prediction or anything like that. All I said was PS4 is close to 3 mil and compared that to the last known Xbox numbers, I never said Xbox stopped selling or that was an accurate number. Stop attacking me over things I never said.
Same thing. I said it's close, or what I consider close, my opinion. I said PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil. I never said Xbox stopped selling consoles, and I never predicted or said 3:2 as a matter of fact. It's just an example of PS4 starting to pull ahead globally.
We're still in a supply constrained launch period. The metrics haven't even had a chance to be made apparent yet, and they're still the most reliable indicator of long term sales. Despite that I was brazenly attacked over and over in that "MS sells 2 mil" thread before even posting in it because "hurr metrics were wrong".
Also, you try keeping every i dotted and t crossed when there's a mass of rabid animals making troll pictures, insulting, fake quoting, taunting, and jeering at you because they don't understand what "supply constrained" means.
Almost that entire "MS sold 2 million" thread is utterly shameful and the complete opposite of sanity or reason. It's hard to keep everything straight when there's literally a half dozen ignorant posters attacking and mocking you because they think "MS sold 2 mil = metrics wrong".
"the fact PS4 sold in NA a week early...... just the country allottment alone is all I need to know" Both irrelevant to a supply constrained launch, and pointed out to you over and over. A week doesn't matter for supply, and during supply constraints that stock is going to sell out to almost any market it's shipped, whether US or Europe or Asia.
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You're comin' unglued, dude. Go look at some Christmas lights, pet your dog, hang your stockings, listen to some good music, kiss your wife or girlfriend, have some hot chocolate or spiked eggnog ... do something besides worry about whether the metrics are vindicated or whether other people on a gaming forum (who you will never meet) like or approve of you. It ain't worth getting upset about.
It may just be that people perceive a tendency wherein when you have said something that is demonstrably false beyond any doubt, you just dig in further and keep on fighting. It's not that important, though. We all make mistakes, but owning up to the ones you do make gives you more credibility than trying to project an air of infallibility.
Not sure which thread Bunz found that consolwarz quote where it said "PS4 is 3M or already past that", but here some other great consolewarz claims. But keep it up consolewarz! I'm sure all the Sony fans love your work.
I know that the second Sony announces 3M you'll be jumping for joy and than adjusting your time frame to suit that day.... as well as assuming X1 is still stuck at 2M from when MS announced X1 sales two weeks ago (around Dec 10 or 11).... so your glorified ratios can be maxed out as much as possible
Though it's still a far cry from those 3:1 and 4:1 ratios and even less than the 2:1 and 3:2 ratios you've changed tune to lately...... though X1 is $100 more and selling in one-third the number of countries.
Wow. consolewarz must have some secret insider information because despite all his "PS4 is sold out everywhere" posts, he seems to know that Sony sold an additional 900k+ PS4s from Dec 1 (when they announced 2.1M after the late Nov Euro launch) to Dec 12.
Who needs NPD, market tracking companies and Sony when consolewarz knows all the info! LOL
(One more thing consolewarz, I knew you had made these statements in PV's Xbox at 2M in 18 days thread, but I actually had to go looking for them since you recently made your profile settings private. Would you might making them public again like before? Makes searching your posts easier.)
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I know that the second Sony announces 3M you'll be jumping for joy and than adjusting your time frame to suit that day.... as well as assuming X1 is still stuck at 2M from when MS announced X1 sales two weeks ago (around Dec 10 or 11).... so your glorified ratios can be maxed out as much as possible
Though it's still a far cry from those 3:1 and 4:1 ratios and even less than the 2:1 and 3:2 ratios you've changed tune to lately...... though X1 is $100 more and selling in one-third the number of countries.
Wow. consolewarz must have some secret insider information because despite all his "PS4 is sold out everywhere" posts, he seems to know that Sony sold an additional 900k+ PS4s from Dec 1 (when they announced 2.1M after the late Nov Euro launch) to Dec 12.
Who needs NPD, market tracking companies and Sony when consolewarz knows all the info! LOL
(One more thing consolewarz, I knew you had made these statements in PV's Xbox at 2M in 18 days thread, but I actually had to go looking for them since you recently made your profile settings private. Would you might making them public again like before? Makes searching your posts easier.)
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