Steam OS performs significantly worse than Windows

Lol, they should have just use the Xbox controller and run Windows and get on with it.
 
There is a bigger concern here. Steam OS has no games.
 
When Portal runs better on Windows than Steam OS, maybe it's a sign that Valve should keep doing what they keep doing well and maybe not try to be in the business of creating operating systems.
 
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When Portal runs better on Windows than Steam OS, maybe it's a sign that Valve should keep doing what they keep doing well and maybe not try to be in the business of creating operating systems.

Maybe Valve was thinking they could lay the groundwork as much as they could and encourage developers to come on board. Seems to be a slow process though. I'm also not sure about their choice to build off of Debian Linux. I've often felt Debian lived up to it's reputation as being Stable, but it sometimes seems slow to me.

Perhaps it comes down to the Drivers and DirectX?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2940...-to-linux-thanks-to-codeweavers-and-wine.html
 
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It's because Linux Drivers are a joke. Linux is a horrible gaming OS without a doubt. They need quality first party driver support or it's never gonna work out. Linux is a great command line OS but everything else lacks in comparison to Windows. MS is the king of compatibility and it's gonna be that way for a long time. It's the only machine that can do it all. Is it as fun to use? No but that doesn't really matter in the long run.
 
I have to say, my experience with Linux on the Desktop (Ubuntu) has been better than my Windows experience, by far.
 
I have to say, my experience with Linux on the Desktop (Ubuntu) has been better than my Windows experience, by far.
Not ever sure how that's possible because most Linux drivers are 3rd party crap. Sort of like running generic drivers on Windows but far far worse. I've tried multiple Linux distros on my machine with horrible results. Linux has horrible driver support and you lose so much performance. Add all that up with a minuscule list of games and it's worthless. Flash isn't even supported on Linux anymore and just getting flash to work is a headache let alone your video and sound card! It's so damn glitchy compared to to windows it will make your head spin! And then you try to install one program and your whole machine gets fvcked up! I run everything I want on Windows back from XP and it works flawlessly where I can't run 1/50th of that on Linux!
 
Should negotiate a WIN/WIN deal with MS for a price discount for windows on Steam machine.

Just about everyone that paly RTS/MOBA seriously are going to play with Mouse/keyboard, where they map half the keyboard. Valve just waste money developing the stream controller. I bet most stream Machine user are revert back to Xbox controller anyway.
 
Not ever sure how that's possible because most Linux drivers are 3rd party crap. Sort of like running generic drivers on Windows but far far worse. I've tried multiple Linux distros on my machine with horrible results. Linux has horrible driver support and you lose so much performance. Add all that up with a minuscule list of games and it's worthless. Flash isn't even supported on Linux anymore and just getting flash to work is a headache let alone your video and sound card! It's so damn glitchy compared to to windows it will make your head spin! And then you try to install one program and your whole machine gets fvcked up! I run everything I want on Windows back from XP and it works flawlessly where I can't run 1/50th of that on Linux!
That is weird. I haven't had any of those issues when running Ubuntu. Flash is picked up easily through the Ubuntu apps, and drivers were all good to go for all my hardware including audio and video. The foot print was smaller, the performance was substantially better and it was much less buggy and glitchy than Windows. But keep in mind, I never once used it for gaming.

I much prefer Mac OSX for my computing needs at home now though. At work I have two computers at my desk. One is Windows 7, the other (the one I am typing this from) is Windows 10. Both are decent, and of course have the best support for apps/programs for what my work requires. I would much rather have Ubuntu on them though, but we can't do that. I might throw in a USB key one day and run Ubuntu from that though, keeping Windows in tact.
 
What I don't understand is PlayStation 4 runs on Orbis BSD which is a fork of FreeBSD another Unix-like OS. So, I think what Valve is trying to do should be possible.

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What I don't understand is PlayStation 4 runs on Orbis BSD which is a fork of FreeBSD another Unix-like OS. So, I think what Valve is trying to do should be possible.

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Way off! PS4 has one set of hardware with the correct drivers, linux has billions of different hardware configurations and the drivers were made by linux folk from reverse engineering windows drivers and you lose a ton of performance when doing that! Linux is a disaster regarding the GUI!
 
Way off! PS4 has one set of hardware with the correct drivers, linux has billions of different hardware configurations and the drivers were made by linux folk from reverse engineering windows drivers and you lose a ton of performance when doing that! Linux is a disaster regarding the GUI!


So I guess the obvious question is why can't Linux use proprietary drivers if a fork of FreeBSD can?

Actually, Linux can use proprietary drivers made by hardware companies for Linux, but since those companies are not as invested in Linux as they are in Windows, they don't work as hard on developing them. I have run the Linux generic video driver and a proprietary driver provided for Linux by AMD and not surprisingly the proprietary driver was far better. Still, in this case, the Proprietary driver for Linux may not be developed to the same level as the Proprietary Windows driver.
 
So I guess the obvious question is why can't Linux use proprietary drivers if a fork of FreeBSD can?

Actually, Linux can use proprietary drivers made by hardware companies for Linux, but since those companies are not as invested in Linux as they are in Windows, they don't work as hard on developing them. I have run the Linux generic video driver and a proprietary driver provided for Linux by AMD and not surprisingly the proprietary driver was far better. Still, in this case, the Proprietary driver for Linux may not be developed to the same level as the Proprietary Windows driver.
Linux distros definitely want proprietary drivers but manufactures aren't supporting them that much! Even when they do it can be shaky! For instance, I was unable to change the overscan settings on my tv and was stuck with big black bars! You can configure some settings with the command line interface but it was too complicated for even me and I've taken some administrative Linux classes! I couldn't install either sound card utility so I couldn't use dolby digital live or tweak my audio/mic settings how I wanted to! Couldn't even run Counter Strike: Global Offensive smoothly which I can run on Windows at over 100 fps! Windows is just the better OS, it supports everything, runs flawlessly, you get all the latest windows apps, you get all the games, makes a great workstation, can create windows domains, really the only reason to have a linux PC is for creating servers or hacking/security! I like Linux for those purposes but as a primary PC it is severely gimped unless you stay away from a lot of stuff!
 
Unless somethign drastically improve, I cannot see this anything otehr than dead on arrival.