Aren't there less game for Linux than say Windows? Or is the support for games pretty much equal now. As in, can you get Battlefield 4, Call of Duty, WoW, etc. all for Linux just like you can for Windows? I hate Windows.
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Because I'm interested in this Steam machine idea and it gets tedious flicking though the pc vs console crap that those type of posts tend to kick off in threads like this.
Then don't read it. He gave his two cents on the launch, but you are asking too much of a PC gamer to not master-race it up a little. Lol
Good discussion could be had in console v PC thread but alas it doesn't appear possible. Anyways I've never cared much for these Steam Machines but once they have been out for a while I may look into it more.
I was talking directly about the Steam Machines and why I think they're being delayed. A 3-6 or more month delay to improve the game pad? I doubt it. So I mentioned the three reasons of which two I think are more likely.
1. Gamepad improvements (maybe)
2. The ability to have a lower launch price
3. The ability to really shine compared to their console counterparts, because after all these steam machines are being marketed as consoles.
No mater how I had worded #3 the truth of it would have remained the same. If someone wants to take that as flame bait and argue the point I can't stop them but just because a handful of people like to try and distort and/or ignore the truth isn't going to stop me from telling it.
I really like the idea. If they can streamline the PC gaming experience and help lower the cost of the PC gaming experience then it's all good for all of us. The only potential flub I see is going with linux for the OS. I don't know much about it but it doesn't seem very popular for gaming so it could be a real problem for Steam, especially where new games are concerned.
Or #4, the most likely scenario, it's not ready for prime time yet, a proper, and stable, console like interface and they don't have a clue how to market it beyond it being a niche product. No matter how they market it it will be labeled as a PC. Most parents are not going to buy another "PC" for the home for their kids. The people who PC game would already have their rigs built. They're trying to create a market for a product that has no market. It's going to be a very difficult product to launch as evident by the rather large delay.
Not to sound like a dick, but the more Valve wait on this, the more niche these machines will be. They'll essentially be selling new hardware to a market they already have, which is probably the point.
Nah because the completion is kinda dated hardware wise and if Valve can put out a decent(ie 3TF or higher) $499 box and heavily market it/sell it in amazon/TRU/GS/BB....these consoles could have some serious competition.
As I understand it, the Steam machines are only capable of running a small portion of the Steam library, which kind of makes the whole exercise pointless to me. If they had a real Steam machine, one that could run the same games available for most PC players, then I'd be interested. Until then, meh.
But they can run the same games, thanks to dual booting. All SteamOS claims to do is increase performance due to lower OS overhead. You will still be able to have Windows on these machines with access to all Windows gives you, including the entire Steam library.
If it does, I think it's going to fail horribly. I don't think there's a market for it. Or at least not one big enough to support the idea financially.
Sure there is. Steam Machines are basically pre-built PC's with custom cases, the market is already there. The only real difference is they are shipped with SteamOS installed instead of or in addition to Windows.
Dumb question. Do Steam OS run DX? I bet at least 25% of PC Indies developers do not have sufficient experience to code for OpenGL or whatever Stream OS runs on.
Unless there are 3rd party engine support for Steam OS (UE 4 have direct support for IOS & Android, & all major consoles for instance, I am sure others like Unity have also), I think game titles will be limited to big studios & far less Indies.
Unless there are 3rd party engine support for Steam OS (UE 4 have direct support for IOS & Android, & all major consoles for instance, I am sure others like Unity have also), I think game titles will be limited to big studios & far less Indies.
Oh, is that right? I don't understand these things very well. I thought I'd read several times that Valve required games on Steam machines to all run on linux, and that meant only a small percentage of the Steam library would work on it. But you're saying no, any game would be available. Hmm. I hadn't heard that before.
I bet most of those OEM models will go kaputz after the first year. With so many models, many people will get confused which one to use and I bet there will be compatibility/performance issues between them as some models are low end and some are high end.
As for the delay due to the Steam Controller, no surprise. That thing is fugly and won't work as well as a standard gamepad. I bet they will revamp the controller and get rid of one or both of those weird analog discs.
Yeah, I thought part of the point was simplifying the thing and standardizing the specs a little? I'll just buy a custom rig from Digital Storm or something.
Some people don't like consoles having various models such at Kinect/Cam bundled or not, or small HDD vs large HDD models. Sure there's differences but the core specs are the same. Steam is having 14 OEM makers to choose from.
That's 14 makers, not 14 models. So unless each one only makes one model, there will be more than 14 to choose from. If each one tries 2 models each, that's around 30 Steam boxes to choose from! lol
Have fun comparing specs and prices. While consoles have standard prices across retailers (aside from retailers doing the occasional weekly deal), PC product pricing can be all over the place unless Valve wants to try to control OEM maker pricing.
LMAO!
i hope you know that consoles have been catching up slowly but surely. these knew consoles only brings us that much closer.
This ant a bad thing only die hard pc gamers will get these. I don't think console owners would get this
Why not?
Imagine this:
A "console" that costs $500-600 with the following features:
Would you really pass that up because at its heart its a PC in console form? Especially considering that's basically what the X1 and PS4 are ATM. You really think that only "die hard pc gamers" will buy these, especially when said gamers most likely already have a powerful PC they can use?
I'm not saying Valve is going to steam roll the competition (seriously, didn't recognize the pun until after it was typed) with a product like this but if they live up to their potential we could very well see MS and Sony releasing a similar product much sooner than they had anticipated.
Imagine this:
A "console" that costs $500-600 with the following features:
- Comparable or even more powerful hardware
- Free online play
- Games anywhere from 25-80% cheaper than the competition
- The choice of using the steam gamepad, a keyboard & mouse, DS4, X360 pad, X1 pad or anything in between
- The ability to stream games from the steam machine to ANY compatible device on your network. Buy a steam machine for your media room and that 5 year old laptop in the office can be used to play any game that steam machine can play.
- The ability to mod your games to make them look prettier, change their look entirely, add hundreds of hours of free content
- and many, many other features
Would you really pass that up because at its heart its a PC in console form? Especially considering that's basically what the X1 and PS4 are ATM. You really think that only "die hard pc gamers" will buy these, especially when said gamers most likely already have a powerful PC they can use?
I'm not saying Valve is going to steam roll the competition (seriously, didn't recognize the pun until after it was typed) with a product like this but if they live up to their potential we could very well see MS and Sony releasing a similar product much sooner than they had anticipated.