The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!

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I'd love to hear from actual conservatives, not the alt right.

The political spectrum makes a lot more sense when you stop thinking in terms of left and right, and more in terms of a circle. At the top of the circle you have your left and right leaning folks, then as you get to the bottom, you get the extremes that are actually a lot more similar than people realize. You've got religious extremists who want the US government to enforce their church rules, and your extreme progressives who want government to enforce their snowflake beliefs.

Things actually become a lot less combative when you realize there's way, way more sides than just the two. Otherwise politics turns into a straw man game of trying to lump everyone on the "other side" as extremists.

Things actually get way more complex when you consider you could really draw this diagram for every single major issue and get different results. Someone may be much more conservative on one issue over another.

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Kerosene31 said:
I'd love to hear from actual conservatives, not the alt right.

The political spectrum makes a lot more sense when you stop thinking in terms of left and right, and more in terms of a circle. At the top of the circle you have your left and right leaning folks, then as you get to the bottom, you get the extremes that are actually a lot more similar than people realize. You've got religious extremists who want the US government to enforce their church rules, and your extreme progressives who want government to enforce their snowflake beliefs.

Things actually become a lot less combative when you realize there's way, way more sides than just the two. Otherwise politics turns into a straw man game of trying to lump everyone on the "other side" as extremists.

Things actually get way more complex when you consider you could really draw this diagram for every single major issue and get different results. Someone may be much more conservative on one issue over another.

political_circle_small.jpg
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IRL, I have conservative friends and family. Most are blind loyalists to daddy trump. There are a few who absolutely hate what the republican party has become. They are appalled. They hate the 'party of trump.' Their party is gone. They know it. They know the damage that has been building over the years is irreparable. I used to share some of the classical republican stances, such as lower government spending. I would spend less on the military. Obviously, that's not where republicans would cut costs. I share taxing wealth stored off-shore. I support lowering taxes... for the middle and lower taxes. I don't really care if the wealthy are taxed "more," just get rid of all of their loopholes so they can't pay lower tax rates than the middle and lower classes. The current 'republican party' are completely ass backwards in their thinking on nearly everything.

Take the absurdity of a merit based immigration policy they're pushing. You have blind loyalists screaming that the 'immys r terkin r' jerbs!" The immigrants that come to this country are taking jobs Americans don't want to do. That's an undeniable fact. What jobs do they think the 'merit based' immigrants are going to take? They're going to take the top paying, most lucrative jobs. You think these 'merit based' immigrants are going to pick oranges?

There is no "both sides" argument. The current republican party is a national security nightmare that is widening the economic gap. Sure, there are scant few liberal bad apples, but nothing like the terrorist organization that the republican party has become.
 
I don't consider anything about the alt right/Trumpers to be conservative. I think even the evangelical religious right has strayed off what is "conservative".

The word gets twisted. To me, people who want to use the government to enforce the bible are not conservative. Conservatives hold to the constitution (all of it, not just the parts that give people guns).

People call me "liberal" but I don't necessarily call myself that. I have Bernie supporting friends who tell me how much I'm not a liberal (and I agree). I consider a centrist sort of Democrat in the current climate to be "conservative", but that kind of thinking makes people angry and heads explode at the thought. People can't come to grips with how off the rails the "grand old party" has gone.
 
Kerosene31 said:
I don't consider anything about the alt right/Trumpers to be conservative. I think even the evangelical religious right has strayed off what is "conservative".

The word gets twisted. To me, people who want to use the government to enforce the bible are not conservative. Conservatives hold to the constitution (all of it, not just the parts that give people guns).

People call me "liberal" but I don't necessarily call myself that. I have Bernie supporting friends who tell me how much I'm not a liberal (and I agree). I consider a centrist sort of Democrat in the current climate to be "conservative", but that kind of thinking makes people angry and heads explode at the thought. People can't come to grips with how off the rails the "grand old party" has gone.
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The evangelical religious right are hypocritical social terrorists. It is an abomination they influence politics.
 
hrudey said:
Change the word 'you' to 'someone' then. I'll edit it. Then maybe feel free to comment on it other than inferring an unintended personal comment based on one damn word and focus on the substance, which might be my biggest gripe about discourse these days from everyf***ingbody.
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Where's the fun in direct discourse instead of guessing games?
 
Science=bad
Trump=good

There you I have given the other side so now we are truly a political thread
 
Videodrome said:
Where's the fun in direct discourse instead of guessing games?
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I want to thank you for this because I was going to make a joke about how political discouse is just a game of Mad Libs but more like "Mad as Hell Libs" and I realized that it's just the Mads trying to own the Libs and now I've been inceptioned.
 
For an interesting read on the superceding Assange indictment and how it can affect mainstream journalism:
https://reason.com/2019/05/23/theor...indictment-could-apply-to-ordinary-reporters/

It's a pretty clear attempt to roll back the concept that publication of illegally-sourced material itself is not a crime if the publisher did not participate in the gathering or overtly induce it. Combine that with the politicization of the whole classification/declassification process now and it's pretty chilling.
 
hrudey said:
For an interesting read on the superceding Assange indictment and how it can affect mainstream journalism:
https://reason.com/2019/05/23/theor...indictment-could-apply-to-ordinary-reporters/

It's a pretty clear attempt to roll back the concept that publication of illegally-sourced material itself is not a crime if the publisher did not participate in the gathering or overtly induce it. Combine that with the politicization of the whole classification/declassification process now and it's pretty chilling.
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As much of an a****** that assange is, as much of a coward he is, I don’t want him charged with the espionage act language. It’s setting the precedent to jail journalists.
 
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If it's announced by DOJ, I wonder how much of the statement is Barr's vs. Mueller's.
 
yankeessuck said:
Time to fall in line and announce that he is investigating Hillary
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I don't think he will be doing that. I do imagine that Barr will, however, require him to say that his investigation did not uncover any proof that Hillary was not colluding with the Russians.
 
Although I do have to say I just tuned in to CBS via youtube, and they did point out that DC is pretty empty now - Congress is out of session, Barr is out of town, etc.
 
He's going to say "Peace, out, bitches." and drop the mic.
 
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