The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!

[JinCA]

Not really happy with the DNC, they made it harder to qualify for the next debate by increasing the polling requirement but there haven't been any new qualifying polls since before the last debate, how is that fair? They should have saved the changes for the Feb debates if new poling was going to be so scarce.

That being said Andrew Yang needs to do a better job of explaining his healthcare plan, he keeps saying his goal is to get us to where the insurance companies are forced out through competition with government plans but there is nothing like that in his proposal.

 

[yankeessuck]

Not really happy with the DNC, they made it harder to qualify for the next debate by increasing the polling requirement but there haven't been any new qualifying polls since before the last debate, how is that fair? They should have saved the changes for the Feb debates if new poling was going to be so scarce.

That being said Andrew Yang needs to do a better job of explaining his healthcare plan, he keeps saying his goal is to get us to where the insurance companies are forced out through competition with government plans but there is nothing like that in his proposal.

Good. We need less people. Should have done this months ago.

Its time for Yang and Steyer to go away

 

[Pureshooter]

We should really just be down to Sanders/Biden/Warren at this point. I don't see anyone else having a shot at the presidency - all others are running for VP or general notoriety at this point.

 

[Videodrome]

I wanted Yang to stay in because he seems to be the most in touch with technology trends.

I'd also like to see him make his case better in a smaller crowd. I mean I guess he could try to call out other people more, but up till now he seems to be more focus on pitching his ideas to the public which does seem to be effective.

 

[Videodrome]

 

[Kerosene31]

I wanted Yang to stay in because he seems to be the most in touch with technology trends.

I'd also like to see him make his case better in a smaller crowd. I mean I guess he could try to call out other people more, but up till now he seems to be more focus on pitching his ideas to the public which does seem to be effective.

He's got some really interesting ideas and has a good handle on a lot of problems. I still think he might be better off running for congress or something.

 

[JinCA]

Good. We need less people. Should have done this months ago.

Its time for Yang and Steyer to go away

I disagree, Yang is seeing his fundraising rise, should be around $13 million this quarter which is a $3 million jump from last quarter and he's mostly doing that with small donations. The guy has ideas that nobody else is talking about and he's for real, I agree Steyer can go, he isn't offering anything new and this is more or less an ego thing for him but Yang is a different story. I just don't think the DNC should have raised the polling threshold if they weren't sure there would be plenty of polls conducted between the last debate and the next one.

We have already heard Biden, Warren, Sanders, Klobuchar and Mayor Pete's opinions on healthcare several times they aren't going to tell us anything new so eliminating people isn't going to bring you any new info, they already get the majority of the speaking time but someone with different ideas and different values should be up there if enough people are supporting him or her. We aren't talking 10 candidates on stage anymore, if Yang makes it we'll have 6, the last one had 7 and it was the best one we've had so far.

 

[yankeessuck]

I disagree, Yang is seeing his fundraising rise, should be around $13 million this quarter which is a $3 million jump from last quarter and he's mostly doing that with small donations. The guy has ideas that nobody else is talking about and he's for real, I agree Steyer can go, he isn't offering anything new and this is more or less an ego thing for him but Yang is a different story. I just don't think the DNC should have raised the polling threshold if they weren't sure there would be plenty of polls conducted between the last debate and the next one.

We have already heard Biden, Warren, Sanders, Klobuchar and Mayor Pete's opinions on healthcare several times they aren't going to tell us anything new so eliminating people isn't going to bring you any new info, they already get the majority of the speaking time but someone with different ideas and different values should be up there if enough people are supporting him or her. We aren't talking 10 candidates on stage anymore, if Yang makes it we'll have 6, the last one had 7 and it was the best one we've had so far.

Yang isn't going to say anything new either.

Anyone running that can't win is doing it for ego

 

[JinCA]

Yang isn't going to say anything new either.

Anyone running that can't win is doing it for ego

Yang has continually had the least amount of speaking time, it's hard to connect with voters when you are virtually ignored on stage, he's barely been able to discuss anything. If they DNC had made the changes they had and we had new polls and he didn't make it that'd be fine but they haven't had any new qualifying polls in something like 40 days, how do you change the rules and not give someone who has continually met the previous thresholds a chance?

 

[yankeessuck]

Yang has continually had the least amount of speaking time, it's hard to connect with voters when you are virtually ignored on stage, he's barely been able to discuss anything. If they DNC had made the changes they had and we had new polls and he didn't make it that'd be fine but they haven't had any new qualifying polls in something like 40 days, how do you change the rules and not give someone who has continually met the previous thresholds a chance?

He says the same thing no matter how much time he has.

They should have done it earlier and if they had he wouldn't have even made the last debate

 

[JinCA]

He says the same thing no matter how much time he has.

They should have done it earlier and if they had he wouldn't have even made the last debate

He's been asked stupid questions like "what would be the first thing you'd say to Vladimir Putin" etc instead of anything with real substance. In the last debate he made a great case for UBI and other ideas, he has tried to open things up more when given the chance. Many people thought he won or came in 2nd in the last debate and he has seen a surge in donations compared to the previous quarter so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be on the stage as long as he's given a fair chance, changing the polling criteria without making sure any new polls would be taken is hardly fair. There are plenty of voters in Iowa and other early states who haven't made up their minds yet so I disagree completely that it's only ego driving people like Yang at this point.

Edit: Yang's campaign announced they raised over $4 million in the last week of 2019, the goal was $3 million, for a guy with no name recognition who isn't a sitting politician that is impressive amount of support and shouldn't be ignored.

 

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[yankeessuck]

He's been asked stupid questions like "what would be the first thing you'd say to Vladimir Putin" etc instead of anything with real substance. In the last debate he made a great case for UBI and other ideas, he has tried to open things up more when given the chance. Many people thought he won or came in 2nd in the last debate and he has seen a surge in donations compared to the previous quarter so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be on the stage as long as he's given a fair chance, changing the polling criteria without making sure any new polls would be taken is hardly fair. There are plenty of voters in Iowa and other early states who haven't made up their minds yet so I disagree completely that it's only ego driving people like Yang at this point.

Edit: Yang's campaign announced they raised over $4 million in the last week of 2019, the goal was $3 million, for a guy with no name recognition who isn't a sitting politician that is impressive amount of support and shouldn't be ignored.

He has been at 2-3% for 6 months. That is nice but at some point it needs to get down to real contenders.

The real mistake is not changing it earlier but if they don't change it now then they when can they? March? 2024?

 

[Videodrome]

He has been at 2-3% for 6 months. That is nice but at some point it needs to get down to real contenders.

The real mistake is not changing it earlier but if they don't change it now then they when can they? March? 2024?

Didn't we go into the Primaries in 2016 with 4 people? Would it be that bad to go into 2020 with that or a few more?

I think Yang has been close to challenging Buttiegieg, but his ranking may be affected by Bloomberg. I think just because of the involvement of Bloomberg and Steyer, I'd rather a few more people stay in or get face time then see in the Iowa or New Hampshire or Nevada what the public really thinks. Candidates need to take a hard look though and if they're not building real momentum, bow out before Super Tuesday.

I might be inclined to agree, but I hate to think some people are being pushed out by billionaires stepping in at the last minute and throwing off poll numbers.

EDIT: I'd also like to see how Biden does in the Primary lol.

 

[yankeessuck]

Didn't we go into the Primaries in 2016 with 4 people? Would it be that bad to go into 2020 with that or a few more?

I think Yang has been close to challenging Buttiegieg, but his ranking may be affected by Bloomberg. I think just because of the involvement of Bloomberg and Steyer, I'd rather a few more people stay in or get face time then see in the Iowa or New Hampshire or Nevada what the public really thinks. Candidates need to take a hard look though and if they're not building real momentum, bow out before Super Tuesday.

I might be inclined to agree, but I hate to think some people are being pushed out by billionaires stepping in at the last minute and throwing off poll numbers.

EDIT: I'd also like to see how Biden does in the Primary lol.

More people definitely helps Biden

 

[Nervusbreakdown]

He's been asked stupid questions like "what would be the first thing you'd say to Vladimir Putin" etc instead of anything with real substance. In the last debate he made a great case for UBI and other ideas, he has tried to open things up more when given the chance. Many people thought he won or came in 2nd in the last debate and he has seen a surge in donations compared to the previous quarter so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be on the stage as long as he's given a fair chance, changing the polling criteria without making sure any new polls would be taken is hardly fair. There are plenty of voters in Iowa and other early states who haven't made up their minds yet so I disagree completely that it's only ego driving people like Yang at this point.

Edit: Yang's campaign announced they raised over $4 million in the last week of 2019, the goal was $3 million, for a guy with no name recognition who isn't a sitting politician that is impressive amount of support and shouldn't be ignored.

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Didn't we go into the Primaries in 2016 with 4 people? Would it be that bad to go into 2020 with that or a few more?

I think Yang has been close to challenging Buttiegieg, but his ranking may be affected by Bloomberg. I think just because of the involvement of Bloomberg and Steyer, I'd rather a few more people stay in or get face time then see in the Iowa or New Hampshire or Nevada what the public really thinks. Candidates need to take a hard look though and if they're not building real momentum, bow out before Super Tuesday.

I might be inclined to agree, but I hate to think some people are being pushed out by billionaires stepping in at the last minute and throwing off poll numbers.

EDIT: I'd also like to see how Biden does in the Primary lol.

Yang, needs to be aggressive and clean. These polls are calling lan lines to old people that never heard of Yang.

 

[JinCA]

Didn't we go into the Primaries in 2016 with 4 people? Would it be that bad to go into 2020 with that or a few more?

I think Yang has been close to challenging Buttiegieg, but his ranking may be affected by Bloomberg. I think just because of the involvement of Bloomberg and Steyer, I'd rather a few more people stay in or get face time then see in the Iowa or New Hampshire or Nevada what the public really thinks. Candidates need to take a hard look though and if they're not building real momentum, bow out before Super Tuesday.

I might be inclined to agree, but I hate to think some people are being pushed out by billionaires stepping in at the last minute and throwing off poll numbers.

EDIT: I'd also like to see how Biden does in the Primary lol.

Sadly in 2016 very few even wanted to run because they knew what an uphill battle it would be against Hillary and her backers.

 

[Plainview]

Castro = out.

 

[Plainview]

I really wish the media, and candidates, stop playing the diversity card when talking about the debates and who's in and who's out. The parameters are about popularity (polls), and frequency of contributions. It's not about total contributions. Now, they can say the polling is biased, I'm not sure, I'm assuming it can be, but if you want to be on stage, people need to poll for you.

 

[JinCA]

This is a guy who should still be on the debate stage.

 

[JinCA]

I really wish the media, and candidates, stop playing the diversity card when talking about the debates and who's in and who's out. The parameters are about popularity (polls), and frequency of contributions. It's not about total contributions. Now, they can say the polling is biased, I'm not sure, I'm assuming it can be, but if you want to be on stage, people need to poll for you.

If they are going to set it by polls they need to make sure there will be new qualifying polls done between each debate, you shouldn't increase the challenge without giving someone a chance to meet it.

As far as the race "representation" issue the media should be called out for constantly ignoring that Harris had qualified for the last debate before she quit, the only person they lost from the previous debate was Booker and for all of his talk about representation in some polls he was tying Mayor Pete among black voters and I don't think he ever went over 10% with them (neither did Harris) so if black voters aren't supporting black candidates what does representation matter? Black voters by and large saw through both of those candidates and knew that just because they shared an ethnic background they didn't share the same values, Booker is bought and paid for by Wall Street and Harris pretty much the same, her record as a prosecutor didn't help her cause either.

 

[yankeessuck]

Ignoring that they are a poorly rated polling outlet the tweet doesn't make sense. Trump didn't beat Hillary in the popular vote.

If they are going to set it by polls they need to make sure there will be new qualifying polls done between each debate, you shouldn't increase the challenge without giving someone a chance to meet it.

As far as the race "representation" issue the media should be called out for constantly ignoring that Harris had qualified for the last debate before she quit, the only person they lost from the previous debate was Booker and for all of his talk about representation in some polls he was tying Mayor Pete among black voters and I don't think he ever went over 10% with them (neither did Harris) so if black voters aren't supporting black candidates what does representation matter? Black voters by and large saw through both of those candidates and knew that just because they shared an ethnic background they didn't share the same values, Booker is bought and paid for by Wall Street and Harris pretty much the same, her record as a prosecutor didn't help her cause either.

So are you going to criticize Andrew Yang who said they shouldn't make the standards harder so they could get Booker back for more representation?

 

[JinCA]

Ignoring that they are a poorly rated polling outlet the tweet doesn't make sense. Trump didn't beat Hillary in the popular vote.



So are you going to criticize Andrew Yang who said they shouldn't make the standards harder so they could get Booker back for more representation?

Yes and No, while I wish he wouldn't have said that he did turn it into a good point as to why poor people can't contribute to political campaigns and how his ideas could help that, I do wish he had gone a step further and pointed out how Booker is consistently at or below 3% in every poll, yes I know Yang is often around that too but he did hit above that often enough to qualify for previous debates and his campaign is growing vs Bookers which is shrinking. I wish none of the campaigns had succumbed to pressure and signed that letter of support or whatever it was Booker put out there before the debate. Sadly they all signed it and then some of them went to the DNC and said they were upset at the Booker campaign for putting them in that position.

 

[yankeessuck]

Yes and No, while I wish he wouldn't have said that he did turn it into a good point as to why poor people can't contribute to political campaigns and how his ideas could help that, I do wish he had gone a step further and pointed out how Booker is consistently at or below 3% in every poll, yes I know Yang is often around that too but he did hit above that often enough to qualify for previous debates and his campaign is growing vs Bookers which is shrinking. I wish none of the campaigns had succumbed to pressure and signed that letter of support or whatever it was Booker put out there before the debate. Sadly they all signed it and then some of them went to the DNC and said they were upset at the Booker campaign for putting them in that position.

And obviously none of the campaigns that are in are unhappy with the way the qualifications are set. If Yang was in he would be privately telling the DNC the same thing.

Especially when they all knew they would make it harder at the end of the year and said nothing.

 

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[Plainview]

Yikes.

 

[hrudey]

Yikes.

So, um, it's looking like was with Iran is becoming much more likely.

 

[Plainview]

So, um, it's looking like was with Iran is becoming much more likely.

 

[JinCA]

 

[JinCA]

And obviously none of the campaigns that are in are unhappy with the way the qualifications are set. If Yang was in he would be privately telling the DNC the same thing.

Especially when they all knew they would make it harder at the end of the year and said nothing.

Knowing they would raise the threshold is one thing but I doubt any of them knew there wouldn't be any new qualifying polls in over 40 days.