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Jericho needs to keep going as its the only way people will hear any Fozzy.

But yes as a big fan of him it's sad to see him now. Out of shape, sloppy and now that guy that should step aside but won't.
 
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Blood only matters if it's used sparingly, people are getting cut open almost every week on this show anymore which to me means they aren't confident in their product to get over without gimmicking it to hell ALL THE TIME. The fact that the old bucks are VP's of this company tells you about the maturational level of those running the show. If TNT comes to them and says that they can't do this kind of thing so much or at all on their channel or even worse TBS (Dusty got fired for a fake spike in his eye) which is even more "family friendly" Tony Khan is going to have to actually get creative and figure out how to run a promotion like the grown ups do instead of how the people who rent a bar or bingo hall do it.
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again you are just talking weird, you are coming across as a fanboy who has some kind of vendetta on AEW

literally one story or match is hardcore AT MOST, they have some of the best stories in wrestling, has real characters that have ups and downs... things that make sense and not constant 50/50 booking. This is why i bring up WWE because you say "get creative and figure out how to run a promotion like a grown up"... as if you are suggesting WWE is doing this??? if not, then plz tell me who you are suggesting is running a promotion like a grown up cause i would like to check them out

i dont care about opinions, i just dont see how anyone can enjoy WWE over AEW at this moment in time 🤷‍♂️ Roman is genuinely the only thing thats interesting in WWE, i have seen people whose job it is to cover RAW just stop doing it cause how horrible it has been lol
 
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again you are just talking weird, you are coming across as a fanboy who has some kind of vendetta on AEW

literally one story or match is hardcore AT MOST, they have some of the best stories in wrestling, has real characters that have ups and downs... things that make sense and not constant 50/50 booking. This is why i bring up WWE because you say "get creative and figure out how to run a promotion like a grown up"... as if you are suggesting WWE is doing this??? if not, then plz tell me who you are suggesting is running a promotion like a grown up cause i would like to check them out

i dont care about opinions, i just dont see how anyone can enjoy WWE over AEW at this moment in time 🤷‍♂️ Roman is genuinely the only thing thats interesting in WWE, i have seen people whose job it is to cover RAW just stop doing it cause how horrible it has been lol
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When responding to my posts please stop bringing up WWE as some kind of defense unless I praise them first (which I have not except for Reigns) you are creating something else to argue against that has NOTHING to do with what I said lol. I've actually said over and over that WWE is trash as well, but AEW is also mostly garbage.

They have people like FTR , MJF and promising young teams like the Acclaimed who all are capable of great things but are relegated to feuds in huge groups or left on dark to work with crap indie talent who don't know how to take half of the moves lol.

You shouldn't have more than 1 hardcore match every few months, you shouldn't constantly have no DQ matches on your weekly tv shows and you shouldn't have half of the roster as executive VP's. Also if AEW is so great why do they keep pushing these old WWE guys? Why are people hoping Punk and Bryan are coming? if AEW's roster is so good grow the talent there to just be another company that takes WWE castoffs.

Why does AEW make job guys take main event or even mid-card guys 20 minutes to beat? Another big problem they are creating for themselves is that nobody there is a star because everyone does the same s***. You've got match after match with flips and people waiting 40 seconds to set up stupid moves like top rope Spanish fly's or that crap where everyone gathers and waits for someone to flip over the top rope, kicking out of finishers on non ppv shows etc. It's rinse and repeat and it's boring.
 
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maybe you just dont like wrestling, as i said please show me where its done right? not just now, even in history, cause you cant say attitude era as that was gimmick after gimmick matches, with blood and flips... you seem to have expectations of AEW thats unrealistic.

AEW isnt perfect but its the best show in town

punk and bryan are not WWE guys lol also many decent wrestlers will have some connections to WWE as they have been the biggest promotion in the world lmao but now they are losing out on talent because AEW is just more creatively fulfilling
 
Bryan's hype is from the WWE.

Even Punk's buzz is because he was the pipe bomb guy.

Finishers need to go back to being exactly that. Annoying seeing people kick out all the time. It was okay at first when at WM but its all the time now.
 
Most likely. Released due to budget cuts again but no let's have Goldberg back.

Guy should have been the next Undertaker like phenom but again Vince hates people getting themselves over.

But then again reports are still that he has been messed up since Lee's death so maybe he asked for it?
 
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i wonder if he would takeover the dark order following from Brodie... that could be some heavy stuff
 
Bray Wyatt was so good when they actually cared about him. Fiend became a bit too much, but it was awesome at first for sure. Still think him winning that Elimination Chamber was one of my favorite moments in wrestling. Also the Randy Orton stuff, especially at Survivor Series was just great booking.

Too bad they ruined it with that awful match at Wrestlemania. Lamest stuff with the dumb bugs and s***. Also Bray should have retained.
 
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maybe you just dont like wrestling, as i said please show me where its done right? not just now, even in history, cause you cant say attitude era as that was gimmick after gimmick matches, with blood and flips... you seem to have expectations of AEW thats unrealistic.

AEW isnt perfect but its the best show in town

punk and bryan are not WWE guys lol also many decent wrestlers will have some connections to WWE as they have been the biggest promotion in the world lmao but now they are losing out on talent because AEW is just more creatively fulfilling
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I thought 1980's wrestling was great especially the NWA but WWF had some great "characters" and storylines. Attitude era was a lot of fun but it wasn't full of gimmicks and flips as you say although I think that's what most of these clowns today are trying to recreate and they are doing it all wrong. Very few people did a lot of flips, it was mostly cruiserweights/light heavyweights from Japan or Mexico when it did happen.

The difference between now and then is they had the storylines to go along with it, they had ridiculous hardcore matches but they were just dumb with baking sheets, traffic signs, gimmicked trash cans/lids and kendo sticks. You rarely saw much blood during the attitude era unless it was a first blood match or when one of the performers went against direction and bladed on purpose or of course had an accident.

AEW has no context for 90% of the things going on there. Why wasn't that stupid football match done first? there was no way they'd have fans then so if they felt they had to put that joke show on at least they wouldn't have had people sitting in the arena waiting for it to end, they should have done the war games (blood and guts is just a dumb name) when the fans were there. Jericho insisting that he didn't land on a crash pad is hilarious btw we all saw the damn corner of it come up when he landed in that huge square they had cut out for him. Why do they keep trying to score points off of Brodie Lee's death? they are still using that as a way to get fans into something and he's been dead longer than he was on their tv show.

Punk and Bryan are absolutely WWE guys, they got famous in WWE, indie s*** doesn't mean a thing, they probably had more people see them on their first night of WWE or hell even in their first WWE arena match than their entire careers up to that point.
 
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Bray Wyatt was so good when they actually cared about him. Fiend became a bit too much, but it was awesome at first for sure. Still think him winning that Elimination Chamber was one of my favorite moments in wrestling. Also the Randy Orton stuff, especially at Survivor Series was just great booking.

Too bad they ruined it with that awful match at Wrestlemania. Lamest stuff with the dumb bugs and s***. Also Bray should have retained.
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He was great on the microphone as the leader of the Wyatt family but the guy couldn't have a good match plus he seems to be injury prone. I loved his entrances back then, the great theme song along with the lantern and the lights in the crowd. The fiend thing was too much especially with that annoying red light that stayed on through the entire match.
 
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The attitude era has a good build up on its PPVs with a simple 1 on 1 opener then maybe a tag match then another 1 on 1 before maybe a falls count anywhere. Then a ladies match, cage match and so on.

It wasn't gimmick after gimmick.

WWE need to scrap PPVs like Hell in a Cell and just have maybe one match a year like that and make it look intimidating not a giant bright red kids toy.
AEW just comes off as trying too hard for me and the fans are those annoying type of fans that NXT was attracting that would act like the simplest move had just cured cancer. The type of person that would say that Jericho is right and no one saw Kevin Owens turning on him.

As for WWE, how Raw is still 3 hours is beyond me! Show sufferers massively for it and if I wasin the company I would do all I could to be on Smackdown which is a much better show with consistent booking.
 
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JinCA said:
I thought 1980's wrestling was great especially the NWA but WWF had some great "characters" and storylines. Attitude era was a lot of fun but it wasn't full of gimmicks and flips as you say although I think that's what most of these clowns today are trying to recreate and they are doing it all wrong. Very few people did a lot of flips, it was mostly cruiserweights/light heavyweights from Japan or Mexico when it did happen.

The difference between now and then is they had the storylines to go along with it, they had ridiculous hardcore matches but they were just dumb with baking sheets, traffic signs, gimmicked trash cans/lids and kendo sticks. You rarely saw much blood during the attitude era unless it was a first blood match or when one of the performers went against direction and bladed on purpose or of course had an accident.

AEW has no context for 90% of the things going on there. Why wasn't that stupid football match done first? there was no way they'd have fans then so if they felt they had to put that joke show on at least they wouldn't have had people sitting in the arena waiting for it to end, they should have done the war games (blood and guts is just a dumb name) when the fans were there. Jericho insisting that he didn't land on a crash pad is hilarious btw we all saw the damn corner of it come up when he landed in that huge square they had cut out for him. Why do they keep trying to score points off of Brodie Lee's death? they are still using that as a way to get fans into something and he's been dead longer than he was on their tv show.

Punk and Bryan are absolutely WWE guys, they got famous in WWE, indie s*** doesn't mean a thing, they probably had more people see them on their first night of WWE or hell even in their first WWE arena match than their entire careers up to that point.
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no blood in attitude era outside of rare occasions? i mean thats just false lol

bryan and punk arent wwe guys, because they didnt come through the WWE system... ofcourse they had more eye balls at WWE but they arent WWE guys, the reason they were at WWE was because they made their name outside of it. AEW grabbing someone from WWE is same as WWE grabbing someone from ROH (bryan and punk) or TNA (AJ Styles has more eyes on him now then he ever had, so is he a WWE guy now? 😁)
 
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no blood in attitude era outside of rare occasions? i mean thats just false lol

bryan and punk arent wwe guys, because they didnt come through the WWE system... ofcourse they had more eye balls at WWE but they arent WWE guys, the reason they were at WWE was because they made their name outside of it. AEW grabbing someone from WWE is same as WWE grabbing someone from ROH (bryan and punk) or TNA (AJ Styles has more eyes on him now then he ever had, so is he a WWE guy now? 😁)
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Attitude Era did not have blood every week or every two or three weeks, that was mostly on the PPV's when it happened and even then it had to make sense. Cage matches? HIAC? First blood? Sure some blood makes sense there but weekly on Raw or even monthly? NOPE. A lot of the time when they did have blood it was the performers going against the rules and just hoping they wouldn't get too big of a fine or worse because of it.

Punk and Bryan ARE WWE guys because that's what 99% of the audience will associate them with, nobody watches that indie garbage except for a few lunatics and a hand full of die hard fans who like anything. Does anyone know Cesario as Claudio? and he's not even as popular as Bryan and Punk. Miro, FTR, Big Show, Mark Henry, Chris Jericho, only have value to AEW because they were in WWE, Sting is more of a WCW guy but WWE raised his profile as well for the short time he was there.

Funny thing is now you have people on twitter saying they should bring in Bray Wyatt for the Dark Order, yeah they should just keep milking Brodie Lee's tragic death for all it's worth lol. The reality is they should break that group up and probably let go of most of them, I don't want people to lose their jobs but most of them are awful and bring nothing to the table.

If AEW is so great why do we keep seeing guys from impact featured on their show instead of their own talent? Why aren't FTR having tag matches on a semi weekly basis? Why haven't Santana and Ortiz had more than one real tag match in probably a year? Why is it so stuffed with gimmicks constantly? Nobody knew who that criminal that MJF brought in was and the guy clearly wasn't ready for a (supposedly) big time show, in the clips I saw he looked nervous and didn't sell s***. Most of AEW doesn't sell, they all just want to go in and hit a bunch of random moves and kick out of everyone's "finishers' on a weekly basis and not worry about taking people on any kind of emotional ride as they watch.

AEW is basically for little boys who just want to sit in the stands and start chants and pretend that they are part of the show too. It's too bad that they cater to that crowd because that's one of the big things that will keep them from ever really being a threat to WWE and WWE needs that kind of competition.
 
Adam Coles contact is up. Wonder if he will bother signing a new one or jump ship
 
WWE releasing another top young talent, they are losing it, hope flair will have no problem finding another promotion to push on in his career
 
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Adam Coles contact is up. Wonder if he will bother signing a new one or jump ship
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This is an interesting case, and one that I honestly can't predict. His wife is the AEW Women's Champ, and has a long history with The Young Bucks, Omega, etc from ROH and New Japan. He's also kind of done everything there is to do in NXT, but he doesn't seem to want to go to the main roster, or he's being protected by Papa H (and for a great f***ing reason too).

I think in the end he stays in WWE, but who knows.
 
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This is an interesting case, and one that I honestly can't predict. His wife is the AEW Women's Champ, and has a long history with The Young Bucks, Omega, etc from ROH and New Japan. He's also kind of done everything there is to do in NXT, but he doesn't seem to want to go to the main roster, or he's being protected by Papa H (and for a great f***ing reason too).

I think in the end he stays in WWE, but who knows.
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Cole is one of 3 NXT wrestlers who actually insisted on having it agreed he would never be moved to Raw or Smackdown. Clearly knew what would happen if he was.
 
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Against my better judgement I decided to watch RAW last night because I just needed something to turn my brain off while I was winding down to sleep. They've actually been getting better and I was like eh, whatever.

AWFUL SHOW.

They piped in so much crowd noise it was honestly distracting. At one point they piped in John Cena's pop from Smackdown last week and you can hear Michael Cole talking about John Cena's 16 championships or something like that. Just embarassing.

They managed to bore a Chicago crowd, and their biggest surprise was Goldberg who put out an amazingly bad promo that got the crowd chanting CM PUNK and WE WANT WYATT like over and over. It's pretty obvious why they put in all that crowd noise lol.
 
The Cole bit was already explained as a production fault rather than trying to pip in cheers
 
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Where'd they explain that if you don't mind me asking?

Also, Mustafa Ali got a real nice hometown pop. I very much enjoyed his and Mansoor's match against T-Bar and Mace (still awful names). I really like both of these tag teams, and Mustafa Ali is just a great talent who deserves a tag title or mid-card title. See if that elevates him a bit!
 
Sad news, one of the best and most underrated performers of all time has passed away. This is from his sister's facebook.



I never wanted to have to post this ,but my Little Brother Beautiful Bobby Eaton passed away last night .
When i find out all the details i will post them .
Bobby was the kindest ,loving person you would ever meet . I loved him so much and going to miss him .
Please say a prayer for my Neice Taryn she found him . And she just lost her Mom a little over a Month ago .
 
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Black is premiering tonight.
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Didn't watch, but did see his highlights from wreddit. Badass entrance, badass attire, just a badass. Can't believe WWE f***ed him up so badly lol.

I will say his series of matches with Buddy Murphy were top notch. Too bad they didn't do anything with either of them.
 
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