What's more important, game resolutions/performance or entertainment features?

At the end of the day, I'm looking at the gaming content and exclusive film/music content. I won't be there any time soon for a console lacking some kind of media features. Both the PS4 and X1 are strong here, although the X1 is supposed to be a better overall experience. I know I use that stuff and so an expansion upon makes me happier as a consumer who wants less hardware around that TV station, not more. At the end of the day, it's all about games and the X1 still has the stuff I'd rather want. Could change when the time comes for buying a new console, but I don't see it happening. As for resolution and performance, stuff is gonna look and perform great for the most part. The differences have become less important than it's ever been for me because the games look a grand slam so far to me and it's still the beginning of the game. I can't wait to see stuff in year two and three. It's gonna be a good and competitive cycle, but overall, X1 has the edge for my spending money.
 
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I enjoy my PC,XBO and PS4....don't use a Camera or Kinect with my games for any of them.
Kinect sits unwrapped in my XBO box.
I do like watching/renting movies on my PS4/XBO and using you tube but I think that's as far as I go for non gaming entertainment on them.

So better performance/prettier picture>Non gaming entertainment/kinect.
 
Simple answer...Games. Sorry, but all this bulls*** fanboy non-sense over silly crap is getting beyond stupid. We're gamers, we play games. There are several platforms to choose from, choose one, enjoy it, and stop trying to validate your purchase.
 
PS4s controller still widely considered worse than X1's.

This is simply false.

As a matter of fact, It is the other way around.
 
menace-uk- said:
Simple answer...Games. Sorry, but all this bulls*** fanboy non-sense over silly crap is getting beyond stupid. We're gamers, we play games. There are several platforms to choose from, choose one, enjoy it, and stop trying to validate your purchase.
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Ding! My answer also. I bought both and neither game performance nor entertainment features have pushed me to play or enjoy one over the other...it's the games offered. And thus far, for me, it's been X1 by a landslide. In fact other than playing the PS+ freebies, Infamous will be my 1st actual game purchase for my PS4 (does that make my current attache rate "0" or do the metrics count my freebies?).
 
Honestly, the entertainment features. That's what gets the most use out of it for me. I don't have the ability to tell differences in resolution/fps anyway.
 
menace-uk- said:
Simple answer...Games. Sorry, but all this bulls*** fanboy non-sense over silly crap is getting beyond stupid. We're gamers, we play games. There are several platforms to choose from, choose one, enjoy it, and stop trying to validate your purchase.
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Yeah, I think that's the ultimate reason for me, too, not either of the choices listed in the title. It's the games the system offers. If one system had the games I loved, and the other did not, it would be an easy choice. I would pick the first one, even if it had lesser hardware (assuming there wasn't a huge disparity). The issues in the title are secondary to me. It's "all about the games," as they say -- or "mostly about the games," anyhow.
 
As if we have to choose... some gamers don't get it. Why can't consoles multitask? PCs have been doing it for decades.
 
Kerosene31 said:
As if we have to choose... some gamers don't get it. Why can't consoles multitask? PCs have been doing it for decades.
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So true its painful! But just my take on it; I think many of the 4 gamers rather would focus just on the gaming aspect of a console as thats really all the 4 is--a gaming console with some media features. But, as far as a multi tasking entertainment console that plays stellar multi platform and exclusives, it cant hold a candle to the XBO. When you look at it from that perspective, not gonna lie, the 4 really does look like a P3.5.

Thats why you have to hand it to Sony PR. Typical Sony. Its the hype thats selling the console--not the games , not innovation and again, NOT the games. Microsoft PR fumbled the ball from the beginning which gave Sony the "IN" they needed. They've always been good with hype, and Microsoft set the stage for them to do what they do best. Thats the worst thing they could've done. Its still only the first quarter though. But thats business and Sony capitalized on a great opportunity. Gotta hand it to them....
 
sharkboy1200 said:
Consoles have been doing it for the past decade and more depending on what you include.
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I dont agree. Multi tasking and simply having added features is two different things all together. For example; you couldnt game online with some of your best mates and snap Skype at the same time on gaming consoles. Big difference there...
 
Its like when smart phones came out, did we all just want to make a call? same thing is happening on consoles and xbox is leading the way.
 
It's pretty obvious that people do care about specs or PS4 wouldn't be outselling the X1. I have an X1 and have only ever had MS gaming consoles and I considered switching this Gen and the only thing that made me stay with XBOX was because all my friends are on LIVE and didn't want to switch platforms. If graphics didn't matter people wouldn't upgrade each gen. And as for the PC argument some of us don't want to worry about drivers and graphics cards and upgrading all the time. I did that in the past and it was a pain, I just want to sit on my couch and have the best gaming experience possible without the headaches.

I like the instant switching and TV integration but at the end of the day I buy a game console for games first and the added entertainment features are just nice to have not must haves.
 
Gaming first is all well and good. But there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being able to multi task on your console. You have more options now. The only real limitations are from those who have difficulty grasping the idea that you can do more than just gaming, without feeling as if the gaming aspect has been alienated on consoles now. Whats happening now with some gamers is something closer to being prejudice than simply not wanting added features and the ability to do two things at once. Even on the XBO, if all you want to do is game, thats ENTIRELY up to you, regardless of the added multi tasking abilities. JMHO

Yet what we constantly hear are complaints from an old way of thinking. Consoles have changed dramatically and there is nothing wrong with that. Its not Microsofts fault if you cant wrap your head around the concept that your console can do more than just game, or can do two things at once without sacrificing the other. Thats a BONUS in my book. But alot of people are doing just that. Blaming someone or something else because they have a difficult time adapting to the change that was inevitable to start with. Again. JMHO
 
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It makes a good troll point though.
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Seriously. I dont know what planet you have to come from to not be able to see that being able to multi task entertainment features that are centered around gaming on your television set is a good thing, but I certainly dont plan on visiting that muffugah! Yeesh! :confused:
 
Flynn said:
None of the features I listed are "subjective opinion". Factually, they're all there.

Also, the features I mentioned don't just make media better, several directly impact gaming:

Seamless sign-in gets me into my games faster/better.
That 2 second extra to sign in is more important than better visual/frame rate that affect the length of time you do actual gaming, easily from 30min to a few hours?

Voice commands get me into the games I want to play faster than a controller.
See above


The Xbox One controller is better for games than the PS4 controller. Yes, that's subjectively true - but popular opinion shows it's better.
Thats subject, last gen its clear 360 controller is better. This gen from what I read, & I read a lot, its about even.

The X1 controller objectively has better battery life, which keeps you in games longer/better.
Yes, its true, just not sure its a deal breaker, certainly not for me.

Kinect ensures split screen gaming experiences are better.
??? Explain.

No, you can't claim X1's features beyond PS4 only benefit non-gaming. That's objectively false.
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So, can you name some example how some of X1 features benefit gaming in a meaningul way, that justify the extra price & weaker visuals?

Anyway, you can spin all you want, & so far, sales have suggested that most people who bought a next gen console do not see enough value to pay the extra 100bucks for xboxn one. Thats objectively True!

Not saying these features are not good to have, but its like saying someone who look for a sport car pick a weaker, more expensive one, as it has remote start, & auto rain sensor. Good to have, but not game changer.


Again, you seriously think most people mind 2 second extra to sign in a game, over playing a game with better visual/frame rate that affect the length of time you do actual gaming, easily from 30min to a few hours?

Sales speak for itself.
 
starseeker said:
So, can you name some example how some of X1 features benefit gaming in a meaningul way, that justify the extra price & weaker visuals?

Anyway, you can spin all you want, & so far, sales have suggested that most people who bought a next gen console do not see enough value to pay the extra 100bucks for xboxn one. Thats objectively True!

Not saying these features are not good to have, but its like saying someone who look for a sport car pick a weaker, more expensive one, as it has remote start, & auto rain sensor. Good to have, but not game changer.


Again, you seriously think most people mind 2 second extra to sign in a game, over playing a game with better visual/frame rate that affect the length of time you do actual gaming, easily from 30min to a few hours?

Sales speak for itself.
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Damn. That is hard on the eyes.
 
MS based their decisions on the direction of XB1 based on the metrics they captured for how people were using their 360s.

Their stats told them that people were using the media and entertainment features of the 360 more than they were actually playing games. I am not inventing this, go look it up. So in that regard I do not blame them at all with their decision to spend more time on non-gaming aspects. I support the vision.

There were a couple of missteps along the way that they need to overcome. I think they took it too far with the digital-only original vision, and underestimated the backlash they would get particularly fueled by gaming media and brick & mortar retailers like Gamestop that were going to lose out in the new model. That started them out on the wrong foot and Sony wisely capitalized on it.

The second thing I think MS fell short on was ... if they were aiming for the "we're going to give this a premium price like an Apple product so that people will associate paying more with better quality", they should have ensured that the console was actually of higher quality. And by that I mean some of the design decisions that went into it, the type of GPU, RAM, etc. They should have ensured that it would be the more powerful of the two consoles.

The last thing working against them is the Kinect. I know we've had this discussion a million times. I like the Kinect, I like what it brings to the table, especially in the UI control, but that is not a good hook to get someone to pay $100 more. They should have ensured there was a killer app to entice more hardcore audience. Adoption of tech tends to start with the hardcore, the technophiles, and then ripples out from there as word of mouth spreads. I mean, Kinect Sports Rivals wasn't even ready at launch - how can that be? Now they've got a piece of equipment attached to the console that is driving the price up but doesn't have that "I must have it" quality to it. Not yet. I hope MS has something in the works to rectify that, whether it's a price drop, new SKU, killer software or something else.
 
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Jay Mammoth said:
Resolutions/performance of course, not the main reason I buy a gaming system but I definitely don't buy a console
for entertainment features.
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Let put it this way, most most unbias people will agree that if XBOX one have similar performance as PS4 & have the current features, & doesn't cost that much more, its will be the console of choice in a heartbeat. But it isn't.

A console that run more than 1/2 of games at 30% to half the FPS or resolution is not mildly weaker, its a lot! And visual have always been an key factor for AAA games.

On a typical computer benchmark test, thats equalivant of anything from 30% less to half the performance when compare to the competition.

Only silverlining is being 30% or more than 50% weaker doesn't direct translate to looking 30% to 50% worst, due to diminishing return. Current gen is suppose to be 8-10X more powerful than last gen, but cross gen games do not look 8-10X better do they.
 
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Mcmasters said:
So true its painful! But just my take on it; I think many of the 4 gamers rather would focus just on the gaming aspect of a console as thats really all the 4 is--a gaming console with some media features. But, as far as a multi tasking entertainment console that plays stellar multi platform and exclusives, it cant hold a candle to the XBO. When you look at it from that perspective, not gonna lie, the 4 really does look like a P3.5.

Thats why you have to hand it to Sony PR. Typical Sony. Its the hype thats selling the console--not the games , not innovation and again, NOT the games. Microsoft PR fumbled the ball from the beginning which gave Sony the "IN" they needed. They've always been good with hype, and Microsoft set the stage for them to do what they do best. Thats the worst thing they could've done. Its still only the first quarter though. But thats business and Sony capitalized on a great opportunity. Gotta hand it to them....
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Decided to go full on trollolololol today, eh?

I'm not gonna say that 100% of what I quoted was the stupidest sh!t I've seen on these forums in a while because that would be a personal insult and you'd cry about it.

So I'm not going to say that. I'm going to imply it, but out right say it? Nope.

Haggis said:
the only thing that made me stay with XBOX was because all my friends are on LIVE and didn't want to switch platforms.

And as for the PC argument some of us don't want to worry about drivers and graphics cards and upgrading all the time. I did that in the past and it was a pain, I just want to sit on my couch and have the best gaming experience possible without the headaches.
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I'm not going to knock your choice, you do for you first, but I have to ask...Are you're incapable of making friends on PSN+? Not a single one of your friends is going PS4 or multi-console? It just seems like a flimsy excuse.

All my friends play Diablo 3 for the ARPG needs but I don't much care for it so I decided I'm going to save my $ on the upcoming xpac and buy stash tabs in Path of Exile. So what I did is made friends through that game and I play with them, easy peasy.

As for the PC remarks, your assertions are sorely outdated. Updating drivers (at least for Nvidia cards, I haven't owned an AMD card in years) is no more or less difficult than updating my PS3. In fact it's actually easier and faster and I'm not locked out of my games until I do it, i can do it when I please.

I sit on my couch every day/night and play games on my PC headache free. It's really no more difficult than it is with a console.

Mcmasters said:
Its not Microsofts fault if you cant wrap your head around the concept that your console can do more than just game, or can do two things at once without sacrificing the other.
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Yup, it's us. We're all backwards thinking anti-new-fangled-doo-dads types that hate new stuff. That's exactly it, you nailed it. I mean that's far more plausible than we just don't care for that stuff on our consoles and would prefer they stuck to gaming on a game console than spend money and resources (while raising the cost) on "features" that we already have 10 different devices for in our homes already.

That's just it, it can't do two things at once without sacrificing the other. Case in point: PS4 has better game performance most of the time.

menace-uk- said:
Damn. That is hard on the eyes.
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And still not as hard on the eyes as Flynn's PR babble.
 
IdleHands said:
Decided to go full on trollolololol today, eh?





I'm not going to knock your choice, you do for you first, but I have to ask...Are you're incapable of making friends on PSN+? Not a single one of your friends is going PS4 or multi-console? It just seems like a flimsy excuse.

All my friends play Diablo 3 for the ARPG needs but I don't much care for it so I decided I'm going to save my $ on the upcoming xpac and buy stash tabs in Path of Exile. So what I did is made friends through that game and I play with them, easy peasy.

As for the PC remarks, your assertions are sorely outdated. Updating drivers (at least for Nvidia cards, I haven't owned an AMD card in years) is no more or less difficult than updating my PS3. In fact it's actually easier and faster and I'm not locked out of my games until I do it, i can do it when I please.

I sit on my couch every day/night and play games on my PC headache free. It's really no more difficult than it is with a console.
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My friends I play with on XBL are close friends that I hang out with regularly not just randoms on XBL, that is why I choose the way I did.

Also good to know about PC and yes my knowledge is very outdated as it's been 8+ years since I did any meaningful gaming on PC. Still the friends I play with only own XBOX's so I would still stick with XBOX and not go PC even.

As for owning multiple consoles, I can't justify that with kids, wife and life. Too many other things to spend that money on.
 
As it should be, it's about the games for me first and foremost. If I had to choose a console and couldn't afford both, I would pick the one that has the most games that appeal to me. If both consoles had the exact same games, then I would choose the console that has more features so long as they are close enough in power to offer similar graphics. If media is one of those features, that's great.
 
IdleHands said:
As for the PC remarks, your assertions are sorely outdated. Updating drivers (at least for Nvidia cards, I haven't owned an AMD card in years) is no more or less difficult than updating my PS3. In fact it's actually easier and faster and I'm not locked out of my games until I do it, i can do it when I please.

I sit on my couch every day/night and play games on my PC headache free. It's really no more difficult than it is with a console.
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Yeah, it gets so old listening to the same old anti-pc arguments that have been false for the longest, crap like:
1. Updating drivers. Hell, my geforece experience tells me when ready to update drivers. easy peasy.
2. Game updates. Steam auto-updates my games for me
3. Expensive. Nonsense. A decent gaming pc will cost about the same as XB1 with 8 years live cost.
4. It's more expensive when you add a monitor....wth? Why lump monitor costs.....but not tv costs for consoles? Hell, just play on tv.
5. Community. Why go with pc when the community is so small. BS. PC community is larger, and actually has the most players on line. Even the most played console game (CoD) doesn't beat out the most played pc game.


With that said...I'm in no way saying people should play on pc if they don't want to. Hell, I have a PS4 and love it. Just please, for the love of god...stop with the PC lies already.
 
Haggis said:
My friends I play with on XBL are close friends that I hang out with regularly not just randoms on XBL, that is why I choose the way I did.

Also good to know about PC and yes my knowledge is very outdated as it's been 8+ years since I did any meaningful gaming on PC. Still the friends I play with only own XBOX's so I would still stick with XBOX and not go PC even.

As for owning multiple consoles, I can't justify that with kids, wife and life. Too many other things to spend that money on.
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Its actually very reasonable. If you have close friends that you play together & maybe exchange games. Make perfect sense to stick to the one your friends & you have decide upon.

For me this is a good reason. Only thing I would have done differently is to lay it on the table the plus & minus of each console, to my friends (before they made their choice). AT least then the choice is informed.
 
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