Xbox One Hotchips revisited and XBox One Speculative discussion

Can I ask a question? And I'm not trying to start a versus situation here.

How can the PS4 have such a large threshold of efficiency over the X1? 20-25 watts would be respectable, but 100 watts more efficient? GPU with more CUs and DDR5 Memory with more of a power draw?

This is what MS is going to pay AMD $3 Billion over the next three years for? Seriously MS, get your money back, you're being robbed.
 
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GHost Box said:
Can I ask a question? And I'm not trying to start a versus situation here.

How can the PS4 have such a large threshold of efficiency over the X1? 20-25 watts would be respectable, but 100 watts more efficient? GPU with more CUs and DDR5 Memory with more of a power draw?

This is what MS is going to pay AMD $3 Billion over the next three years for? Seriously MS, get your money back, you're being robbed.
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It's because we do not know many details on the X1 and the assumptions being made around it all is based on what is known today with PC's and by comparison the "paper" info and PC similarity that the PS4 has. MS knows what they are doing and are more technically savvy than Sony in the PC sector.
 
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Ceger said:
It's because you do not know many details on the X1 and the assumptions being made around it all is based on what is known today with PC's and by comparison the "paper" info and PC similarity that the PS4 has. MS knows what they are doing and are more technically savvy than Sony in the PC sector.
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This is exactly what I've been saying mate. Although I'm not a tech wiz, it sounds like the logic behind the Ps4 goes hand-in-hand with those compared to PC specs, when the X1 sounds to be something different altogether. If this is the case, then how can there be a fair judgement unless there is something closer to what the X1 actually is? Now, if we go by PC terminology and logic, then its easy to say the Ps4 is more powerful than the X1--and be right in our judgement. But, if the X1 changes the game as far as how traditional hardware is created, then truly, the only accurate definition we will find is when we see it for ourselves, real world and face-to-face. How, or s***?, what?, can we compare the X1 to?
 
Ketto said:
I can't wait till the "potential" phase
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But...I like potential. Both consoles have tons of it. (WiiU can go straight to WiiHell)
(maybe unrelated tangent) Anyone remember when roboblitz (simply as a recent example) came out on the xbox marketplace? I remember lots of incredulity (can't believe I just said that) about it, "can't believe this is a downloadable game" and so on, and look now, it's like how did we ever find it that great? I'm gonna love seeing the potential of these consoles realized and what games put Destiny, AC4, Killzone, and all these launch titles to shame.
 
Interesting X1 Schedule for 21 Sept 2013
http://www.xbox.com/ja-JP/event/tgs2013/studio

MGS V live demos for 45 minutes

Xbox Tech Videos , ?

MGS V is not live streamed officially but but at least hopefully gamersyde or other will capture it off screen, at least seems nico jp will live streamed it.

also interestingly the PS4 version only demoed for 10-15 minutes, but on XBox Booth it is 45 Minutes.
 
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puresoul - the end is nigh :D
 
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neogaf start to think why per memory whether eSRAM or DDRx partitioned
it is indicate even the esram has individual lane

they start to use logic

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=82824009&postcount=4780
"I guess it was already discussed here - but I think the parallel read and write might come from the fact that they implemented 4 blocks of each 8MB eSRAM. If they all have their own bus you could do a read and write in parallel."
 
TrueBlueHero said:
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puresoul - the end is nigh :D
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Great find !!! ....
to put into perspectives, this is his reply on neogaf thread several days ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81740425&postcount=493

f you go back an look at my posts during the big numbers debate, I said as much. I fully admitted that, since people had asked, I went to the engineering team to provide more detail on the numbers.

You will see more from us on the numbers and explaining things we've done with AMD.
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The truth is even after hotchips
yes 2-3 weeks after it

MS not put the GPU spec , none at all
at lest some basic spec is enough, when GPU is the most important aspect of the console after the CPU, and they still not listed the spec.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=82829777&postcount=4815
It is funny to see the neogaf answer their own question
they listed the GPU wont have tier-2, only have 2 ACE it is pitcairn

so why MS said DX 11.2 features will exclusive on X1 & W8.1
so which GPU on X1 that support it ? :)

Because the GPU that they believe is on Blue/Magenta block it is clearly said to offload the CPU and Improve GPGPU, Then the rhetorical question will be ?Why an GPU improve his own GPGPU is it logical ?

it is like me said an illogical thing like this
"The 8 Core Jaguar to help or offload the CPU" <---- is it make sense ?

Unless it is becoming logical if it was 2 part GPU not necessary a dGPU but an higher degree GPU is exist
it is undiclosed it is on one large big packaging,

it is :
- the one that talk about at MS build, the one that have PRT and higher feature set, a tier 2 or probably even at next tier.
- the one that at Arch panel they said as break from older Arch, designed like supercomputer arch, a new gen GPU ( do you feel 7790 custom or not look nextgen ?)
- and so on
 
Ketto said:
No PSU in existence is 100% efficient It might be rated for 215W but that doesn't mean that's how much the system draws under normal operation. It simply means that's how much is max available to the system period (this includes times in which there are power fluctuations and the system draws more than usual).
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It's an rms rating actually. Not 'max'. And fyi the power draw is constantly fluctuating sinusoidally. These details aren't real important though. It would be more useful to compare the power draw of the 360's PSU and compare that to the chips using that energy. More known quantities for comparison that way. It's dumb either way. There has only ever been 1 actual suggestion of a 2nd GPU and that was for BC in their Yukon plans. We shouldn't need any more confirmation than we already have gotten from Panello.
 
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GeorgeSoros said:
The biggest issue I have with the XB1 right now isn't the hardware, but the fact that MS hasn't made dealing with the ESRAM automatic. That's something that I was really expecting.
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I can't imagine the engines developers use don't have most of that already in place, what with the 360 having had a small EDRAM attached as well as other consoles previously using the same concept. And I can't imagine any developer worth their salt looking and seeing "oh, extra high-speed memory? Nah, not worth my time."
 
astrograd said:
It's an rms rating actually. Not 'max'. And fyi the power draw is constantly fluctuating sinusoidally. These details aren't real important though. It would be more useful to compare the power draw of the 360's PSU and compare that to the chips using that energy. More known quantities for comparison that way. It's dumb either way. There has only ever been 1 actual suggestion of a 2nd GPU and that was for BC in their Yukon plans. We shouldn't need any more confirmation than we already have gotten from Panello.
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You would think confirmation of Penello would be enough, but yet here we are. Hell some people believe it's all an act to throw off Sony so they don't add a dGPU (because less than 2 months is totally enough time...). It's madness.
 
Ketto said:
You would think confirmation of Penello would be enough, but yet here we are. Hell some people believe it's all an act to throw off Sony so they don't add a dGPU (because less than 2 months is totally enough time...). It's madness.
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You can't definitively prove that there aren't thousands of factory workers with second GPUs and glue guns ready to paste one of them sumbitches onto that there PS4 when the glorious rapture of the 2nd GPU on yon holy XBox One is revealed unto all. Amen.
 
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hrudey said:
You can't definitively prove that there aren't thousands of factory workers with second GPUs and glue guns ready to paste one of them sumb****es onto that there PS4 when the glorious rapture of the 2nd GPU on yon holy XBox One is revealed unto all. Amen.
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Chinese workers aren't allowed to use glue guns until they reach a senior position!
 
I think, the big thing people are completely missing the fact that PS4 has DOUBLE the orientation power of the X1....on paper, but in reality, we all know that extra 100% will only be used by a few gamers. So please tell me, how is it that PS4 is able to be $399, when the X1 can event stand vertically????? hmmmmmm? hmmmm?
 
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Guys, this isn't helping us shoehorn a HD Radeon 7970 GPU in to Xbox One at all.
 
7970? Psh, amateur hour. More like two 7990s + 32GB of HMC memory. Once the NDA is up all the developers will flip the switch and BOOM 4K60fps for all the games shown. Art of War man, make your enemy think you're weak then hit them when they least expect it.

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That was true until DAT GDDR5 liberated them all.
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More ram for the ram gods!
 
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I think, the big thing people are completely missing the fact that PS4 has DOUBLE the orientation power of the X1....on paper, but in reality, we all know that extra 100% will only be used by a few gamers. So please tell me, how is it that PS4 is able to be $399, when the X1 can event stand vertically????? hmmmmmm? hmmmm?
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Well...Sony is losing $60 on every PS4 so they are spending $459......because they love us.
 
puresoul002 said:
Interesting X1 Schedule for 21 Sept 2013
http://www.xbox.com/ja-JP/event/tgs2013/studio

MGS V live demos for 45 minutes

Xbox Tech Videos , ?

MGS V is not live streamed officially but but at least hopefully gamersyde or other will capture it off screen, at least seems nico jp will live streamed it.

also interestingly the PS4 version only demoed for 10-15 minutes, but on XBox Booth it is 45 Minutes.
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did this happen?
 
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