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Wonder if the change in tune on the payment to Stormy is because they figured out Mueller already knows?

 
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I haven't seen analysis yet, but I expect I'll like it:
 
Wonder if the change in tune on the payment to Stormy is because they figured out Mueller already knows?



Apparently, NBC jumped the gun. They had authorization to log calls, but now they're saying that there wasn't an actual wiretap. Completely different thresholds to acquire.
 
Our health care system is just great. Notice how someone with a potential head injury decides to go somewhere else because they need to find someone their insurance covers.

 
Our health care system is just great. Notice how someone with a potential head injury decides to go somewhere else because they need to find someone their insurance covers.



We're still living with the Hospital Mandates from the Reagan era so hospitals have to treat people. I wonder if that puts them under pressure to recover costs under ''ReaganCare' by over billing people like this.

It's weird to be against single payer, then people just pass laws saying hospitals can't deny people, yet not have funding in place to cover it. I wonder how much this has distorted costs over time.
 
We're still living with the Hospital Mandates from the Reagan era so hospitals have to treat people. I wonder if that puts them under pressure to recover costs under ''ReaganCare' by over billing people like this.

It's weird to be against single payer, then people just pass laws saying hospitals can't deny people, yet not have funding in place to cover it. I wonder how much this has distorted costs over time.

Yep, that's exactly the problem and has been since the 1980s. Hospitals have to treat people, but there's no way for them to recover those costs from the government so everyone else has to pay.

People think socialized medicine started under Obama, but Reagan's policy has buried health care costs for decades and nobody notices.

People say, "I don't want to pay for anyone else's care" as if they haven't been doing that since Reagan.

Part of Obamacare was basically just getting these costs out in the open. Right now the costs have to be huge but are nearly impossible to measure. I have a cousin with no insurance, and every time he gets hurt, he has to wait until it gets to bad that he goes to the ER. He has no money so what are they going to do? Treat him and write it off. Then the next person shows up with great insurance and what does the hospital do? Recover their costs.

Funny that you never hear about this from anyone. It wasn't even a bad law, but we need to deal with the fact that costs are rising and somehow at least measure them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
 
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Guliani should never got involved and now he will look not that he is dumb. That interview on FOX was the biggest mistake by saying it was paid back after Trump just LIED to the people on Air Force One.

If Trump get away on everything that is coming to him we have a much bigger issue in the US. Nation of laws only applies to some people as of right now.

Well, at least Giuliani was clever enough to make sure he made it clear that there was no FEC violation because the payment had nothing to do at all with the election, just a nuisance. Same with Trump. He was smart enough to call Avenatti an ambulance chaser, too. I don't see how that could possibly backfire and... wait for it...



Oh, yeah. So I'm guessing the timeline went something like:

1. Avenatti gets the case, gets the case file from the old lawyer, notices that Cohen's specifically trying to influence the election which is only illegal in the sense that it's illegal.
2. Since he's cooperating with the Mueller probe, he gets that info to the Special Prosecutor.
3. With unassailable proof that Cohen was committing a crime, they get the warrants needed to log his calls, search his emails and eventually raid his offices.
4. Because any communication from Trump regarding this would be in the furtherance of a crime, it's not privileged, and therefore... well, I presume we'll all find out in the fullness of time.
 
Well, at least Giuliani was clever enough to make sure he made it clear that there was no FEC violation because the payment had nothing to do at all with the election, just a nuisance. Same with Trump. He was smart enough to call Avenatti an ambulance chaser, too. I don't see how that could possibly backfire and... wait for it...



Oh, yeah. So I'm guessing the timeline went something like:

1. Avenatti gets the case, gets the case file from the old lawyer, notices that Cohen's specifically trying to influence the election which is only illegal in the sense that it's illegal.
2. Since he's cooperating with the Mueller probe, he gets that info to the Special Prosecutor.
3. With unassailable proof that Cohen was committing a crime, they get the warrants needed to log his calls, search his emails and eventually raid his offices.
4. Because any communication from Trump regarding this would be in the furtherance of a crime, it's not privileged, and therefore... well, I presume we'll all find out in the fullness of time.

Avenatti has been rock solid with everything he's said would happen. I hope this continues. I hope his ultimate claim that this will lead to trump resigning happens, although I want him removed, imprisoned, and lose everything financially. I want him to get no benefits of the office he's disgraced and perverted.
 
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And I also had a thought while I was driving in to work today... I'm kind of grateful that Trump became President. Not because it's good in any way, but because it's so bad.

Let's keep in mind how much effort the right has been putting in over the past few decades to prepare a very sizable portion of the population to, essentially, be pro-dictator. Just ask a typical Fox viewer/Hannity listener, and they're apoplectic about there being a legal investigation into Russia but think Hillary should already be in jail. They're convinced that the only truthful media is the Fox and Sinclairs of the world, which is essentially private state media, and they're not at all convinced there's a role for independent media. In every single instance, their beliefs are not at all firm - they hate the debt and deficit spending, unless it's the GOP. They hate lies, unless it's the GOP. The list goes on.

So, imagine if the guy who finally decided to try to convert that into a dictatorship was a f***ing Palpatine instead of Darth Jar Jar Trump. We'd be f***ed. He may screw this up so tremendously that we might be able to recover somewhat, although I think we're still screwed in the long run - people are simply too programmed into "team red"/"team blue" at this point and people aren't getting smarter.
 
Keep talking you yellow teethed mother f***er.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/giulia...-justice-department-to-close-this-thing-down/

Giuliani on the Russia probe: "I want the Justice Department to close this thing down"

"I want the Justice Department to close this thing down," Giuliani told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "They (special counsel Mueller and team) don't have a scintilla of evidence that there was collusion with the Russians to influence the election. This is a ridiculous investigation."

Like Giuliani, Mr. Trump has continued to decry the special counsel's investigation into Russian election meddling and any connections to the Trump campaign. Asked if there is any evidence of a conspiracy with the Russians, Giuliani responded, "I would say none." Giuliani said there was "never any kind of agreement between Mr. Trump and the Russians to affect the election."

Despite his criticism of the investigation, Giuliani didn't rule out the possibility of a Trump-Mueller interview.

"I'm still open to it if we get the right conditions," Giuliani said. "There's no better way to end this. I joined this team with a goal of finishing this damn thing in a month or two. I don't know if I can do that anymore in good conscience."​
 
The problem is I don't think a campaign contribution violation is going to tear Trump down. The problem is that Trump has no credibility to tear down. He banged a porn star and paid her off. Nobody even doubts it. Personally, I've never had a good vibe about Avenatti. I just don't think he has anything that is going to do anything. Trump lied his a** off about this, we don't need him to prove it. Unfortunately lying isn't a crime.

I still say in a weird way Trump winning is a good thing. The Fox News brainwashed right needs to see the BS and hypocrisy that they've been spoon fed all these years. Many of them won't wake up, but many will. Most people I know who were Trump supporters who wanted nothing more than to rub Trump in my face now "don't want to talk politics" anymore. :)

4 years of Hillary would have been boring and eventful. However this group would have just gotten more and more power. Now, sort of like an addict who needs to hit rock bottom, they got what they wanted and have to see the evil of it.

We just need to hope that most of the environmental damage done can be reversed quickly enough.
 
And I also had a thought while I was driving in to work today... I'm kind of grateful that Trump became President. Not because it's good in any way, but because it's so bad.

Let's keep in mind how much effort the right has been putting in over the past few decades to prepare a very sizable portion of the population to, essentially, be pro-dictator. Just ask a typical Fox viewer/Hannity listener, and they're apoplectic about there being a legal investigation into Russia but think Hillary should already be in jail. They're convinced that the only truthful media is the Fox and Sinclairs of the world, which is essentially private state media, and they're not at all convinced there's a role for independent media. In every single instance, their beliefs are not at all firm - they hate the debt and deficit spending, unless it's the GOP. They hate lies, unless it's the GOP. The list goes on.

So, imagine if the guy who finally decided to try to convert that into a dictatorship was a f***ing Palpatine instead of Darth Jar Jar Trump. We'd be f***ed. He may screw this up so tremendously that we might be able to recover somewhat, although I think we're still screwed in the long run - people are simply too programmed into "team red"/"team blue" at this point and people aren't getting smarter.
I've been able to convert my mother and father from a life long voting record of republicans. So, there's still hope. Trevor Noah helped with converting my mom too.
 
Cambridge Analytica didn't "shut down." They just changed their name to Emerdata Limited.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/02/cambridge_analytica_shutdown/

Though Cambridge Analytica said it is pulling the plug in the US and UK, there is already some indication that the outfit – which has a non-trivial organizational structure – is more or less just going to rebrand under a different banner.

The UK's official registrar of businesses and organizations, Companies House, lists an active company called Emerdata Limited, headquartered at the same offices as SCL Elections and run by much of the same management and investors as Cambridge Analytica. It even describes itself as a "data processing, hosting and related activities" organization.

For instance, Dr Alexander Taylor was appointed a director of Emerdata on March 28. That's Cambridge Analytica's acting CEO and data wizard Dr Alexander Taylor. Julian Wheatland is an Emerdata director who is also a director within the SCL network of organizations.

Jennifer and Rebekah Mercer are directors of Emerdata, and are the daughters of ultra-wealthy businessman Robert Mercer who created and bankrolled Cambridge Analytica. Billionaire Bob has given tens of millions of dollars to rightwing political efforts. Jennifer and Rebekah also had a hand in Cambridge Anal.

Emerdata was founded in mid-2017, but has been rather active since Cambridge Analytica hit the headlines earlier this year, including official filings as recent as yesterday.

So, it seems the shutdown may be less a business catastrophe than a marketing exercise. ®​
 


If i put on my tinfoil hat, i'd say Guliani is working with the deep state to remove Trump from presidency. :laugh:
 
And I also had a thought while I was driving in to work today... I'm kind of grateful that Trump became President. Not because it's good in any way, but because it's so bad.

Let's keep in mind how much effort the right has been putting in over the past few decades to prepare a very sizable portion of the population to, essentially, be pro-dictator. Just ask a typical Fox viewer/Hannity listener, and they're apoplectic about there being a legal investigation into Russia but think Hillary should already be in jail. They're convinced that the only truthful media is the Fox and Sinclairs of the world, which is essentially private state media, and they're not at all convinced there's a role for independent media. In every single instance, their beliefs are not at all firm - they hate the debt and deficit spending, unless it's the GOP. They hate lies, unless it's the GOP. The list goes on.

So, imagine if the guy who finally decided to try to convert that into a dictatorship was a f***ing Palpatine instead of Darth Jar Jar Trump. We'd be f***ed. He may screw this up so tremendously that we might be able to recover somewhat, although I think we're still screwed in the long run - people are simply too programmed into "team red"/"team blue" at this point and people aren't getting smarter.
If you haven't yet I suggest reading How Democracies Die. Goes into great detail about what has happened in other European and Latin American countries, and how the Republicans have slowly been trying to do the same things here. Democrats aren't innocent but Republicans have overwhelmingly tried to tilt the board to win.
 
I hope other liberals take note, what he says is true here, that type of complaining and whining is going to keep turning people away and lead to more Trump's in the future.
 
Well this is interesting.

Revealed: Trump team hired spy firm for ‘dirty ops’ on Iran arms deal

Aides to Donald Trump, the US president, hired an Israeli private intelligence agency to orchestrate a “dirty ops” campaign against key individuals from the Obama administration who helped negotiate the Iran nuclear deal, the Observercan reveal.

People in the Trump camp contacted private investigators in May last year to “get dirt” on Ben Rhodes, who had been one of Barack Obama’s top national security advisers, and Colin Kahl, deputy assistant to Obama, as part of an elaborate attempt to discredit the deal.

According to incendiary documents seen by the Observer, investigators contracted by the private intelligence agency were told to dig into the personal lives and political careers of Rhodes, a former deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, and Kahl, a national security adviser to the former vice-president Joe Biden. Among other things they were looking at personal relationships, any involvement with Iran-friendly lobbyists, and if they had benefited personally or politically from the peace deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...am-hired-spy-firm-dirty-ops-iran-nuclear-deal
 
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