Will the Xbox One go down as the greatest console of all time?

Not the point. The point is that the X1 has and receives games in native 1080p. Not that it matters but....there it is.
Not to mention, AAA titles are 1080p. I am glad developers are starting to wrap their head around the development process on the Xbox One. Gonna be another awesomesauce gen of gaming.
 
The WiiU, PS3 and Xbox 360 also have games in native 1080p, what's your point.
Mcmasters actually made a pretty good point. Being at 1080p isn't that big a of a deal any longer. Considering that is what both next gen consoles will be doing, and last gen was able to do it, goes to show the the next gen consoles at 1080p isn't really "news". The good news is, the Xbox One is the only console supports 4K (in addition to 1080p) in both games and video. Now we just need the games and the TV's to be more affordable.
 
In the worst case scenario, 1280x720p (921,600 pixels) vs. 1080p (2,073,600 pixels) is a big difference in terms of processing power.

Exactly.

In fact, it takes approximately double the processing power to render the same code at native 1080P than it does at 720P. I am amazed that there are people on here who didn't know this. These people should stop arguing hardware or rendering differences until they at least have some basic knowledge about it.
 
Mcmasters actually made a pretty good point. Being at 1080p isn't that big a of a deal any longer. Considering that is what both next gen consoles will be doing, and last gen was able to do it, goes to show the the next gen consoles at 1080p isn't really "news". The good news is, the Xbox One is the only console supports 4K (in addition to 1080p) in both games and video. Now we just need the games and the TV's to be more affordable.

On a separate note, yes, the Xbox one can do 4K and also the Xbox 360 and WiiU can do 1080P, that doesn't mean you will ever see it, especially when the Xbox one is having trouble rendering ports even in native 1080P.

But the entire point is that rendering the same code at a certain native resolution versus another is a direct correlation to processing power, just as frame rate is. If you guys had some basic knowledge of computing or even had some experience with PC gaming we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Now it all becomes clear. This whole time we've argued power in the past you guys had absolutely no idea what you were talking about! I had a suspicion. What a complete waste of everyone's time.
 
Those are the only ones I know of. I haven't researched them all.

Yup, and the 1080p titles continue to grow on the X1. Kinda like when the PS3 trailed in resolution early on behind the 360. We already know the PS4 is easier to developer for than the Xbox One, like the 360 was easier to develop for than the PS3.

So yeah, no worries with 1080p on Xbox One. First party titles are nailing it no problem, so it's all good.

We also know the PS4 has better hardware specs as well so it could be a combination of both that could explain why we see the present disparities. But sure, developing for the Xbox One will get easier in time, just as the development for PS4 will.

Not the point. The point is that the X1 has and receives games in native 1080p. Not that it matters but....there it is.

It is relevant to the point. Don't you think if the developers could do 1080p to most of their titles, they would?
 
We also know the PS4 has better hardware specs as well so it could be a combination of both that could explain why we see the present disparities. But sure, developing for the Xbox One will get easier in time, just as the development for PS4 will.



It is relevant to the point. Don't you think if the developers could do 1080p to most of their titles, they would?
Your talking about launch games. Yet, there are even more newly released and upcoming titles that are native 1080p. Again, not that it matters but its just not that big of a deal.
 
On a separate note, yes, the Xbox one can do 4K

Yup.

that doesn't mean you will ever see it

Maybe you won't, but MS is already planning 4K development on the Xbox One.

“We are delivering a home entertainment system for the next generation and will support 4K for games and entertainment. We’ll share more details later on 4K content for Xbox One.”

especially when the developers are having trouble rendering ports even in native 1080P.

Fixed.

But the entire point is that rendering the same code at a certain native resolution versus another is a direct correlation to processing power, just a frame rate is. If you guys had some basic knowledge of this or ever gamed on your PC we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Now it all becomes clear. This whole time we've argued power in the past you guys had absolutely no idea what you were talking about! What a complete waste of everyone's time.

Who is you guys? I have been gaming on console since the day PONG was released, and my first PC gaming experience started with the TRS-80. Talk about wasting our time.
 
Mcmasters actually made a pretty good point. Being at 1080p isn't that big a of a deal any longer. Considering that is what both next gen consoles will be doing, and last gen was able to do it, goes to show the the next gen consoles at 1080p isn't really "news". The good news is, the Xbox One is the only console supports 4K (in addition to 1080p) in both games and video. Now we just need the games and the TV's to be more affordable.

If it wasn't such a big deal, you wouldn't see so many sites writing articles about the resolution differences between the two and forum threads asking why there is such a disparity. Just google "PS4 and Xbox One 1080p titles".
 
We also know the PS4 has better hardware specs as well so it could be a combination of both that could explain why we see the present disparities. But sure, developing for the Xbox One will get easier in time, just as the development for PS4 will.

Just like the PS3 had "better hardware specs", and both the Xbox 360 and PS3 got better and easier to develop for with time.

So this gen we end up with both consoles outputting 1080p and 30/60fps. Now what? It comes down to games and entertainment.
 
If it wasn't such a big deal, you wouldn't see so many sites writing articles about the resolution differences between the two and forum threads asking why there is such a disparity. Just google "PS4 and Xbox One 1080p titles".

It's the internet.
 
Your talking about launch games. Yet, there are even more newly released and upcoming titles that are native 1080p. Again, not that it matters but its just not that big of a deal.

Yes, that's why when I was posting, I'm talking about current games that are out right now. When the upcoming ones come out, there will be discussion for that as well.
 
Yes, that's why when I was posting, I'm talking about current games that are out right now. When the upcoming ones come out, there will be discussion for that as well.
When can we discuss really hot Asians. I love Asian chicks.
 
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If it wasn't such a big deal, you wouldn't see so many sites writing articles about the resolution differences between the two and forum threads asking why there is such a disparity. Just google "PS4 and Xbox One 1080p titles".
Your not understanding me so, let me make it clearer for you without being too direct:

IT DOESNT MATTER TO ME!

Besides, there is a slew of upcoming games coming to the X1 that are native 1080p. I think many have called victory for Ps4 a bit early. Not all launch games were native 1080p on the X1 but that seems to be changing with more titles reported as native 1080p throughout the year. 1080p, 720 etc doesnt matter to me. But I think some should refrain from claiming victory for the PS4 until we have a better view of things. Just sayin....


Theres going to be some seriously pissed of fanboys if things change and both consoles are the same across the board in the coming months.
 
Yes, that's why when I was posting, I'm talking about current games that are out right now. When the upcoming ones come out, there will be discussion for that as well.
Yes. But you continue to bring up articles and reviews about resolutions that lend to the idea that you believe that the rez discrepancies between the Xbox One and Ps4 will continue throughout the generation. If thats not what your attempting to say, then my apologies. But if you are, then I would suggest waiting to see the bigger picture.
 
Wii U has more 1080p games then both PS4/X1.
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Wii U has more 1080p games then both PS4/X1.
PC has more 1080p games than Wii, Wii U, PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Gamecube, Intellivision, Colecovision, Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Sega Genesis, Sega Dreamcast, Nintendo, Super Nintendo COMBINED times like a million.
 
Mcmasters actually made a pretty good point. Being at 1080p isn't that big a of a deal any longer. Considering that is what both next gen consoles will be doing, and last gen was able to do it, goes to show the the next gen consoles at 1080p isn't really "news". The good news is, the Xbox One is the only console supports 4K (in addition to 1080p) in both games and video. Now we just need the games and the TV's to be more affordable.
Do you honestly believe that X1 can do Ultra HD(4K) and the PS4 can't?
 
Just like the PS3 had "better hardware specs", and both the Xbox 360 and PS3 got better and easier to develop for with time.

So this gen we end up with both consoles outputting 1080p and 30/60fps. Now what? It comes down to games and entertainment.

The PS3 had a beastly CPU in the Cell but its GPU was inferior to the 360's. Albeit this difference, the PS3 still churned out amazing looking games that could arguable beat the best of the 360's. This generation though, the CPU are pretty much on par with some tests showing that the PS4's may even be a bit better but the GPU this time is in PS4's favour. So there is no hardware advantage at all for the Xbox unlike last generation where it at least had the GPU advantage.

But you're right in one area, it will always come down to games. Let's hope MS continues to release some great exclusives out for the whole life cycle and not just the first half like what happened with the 360.
 
The PS3 had a beastly CPU in the Cell but its GPU was inferior to the 360's. Albeit this difference, the PS3 still churned out amazing looking games that could arguable beat the best of the 360's. This generation though, the CPU are pretty much on par with some tests showing that the PS4's may even be a bit better but the GPU this time is in PS4's favour. So there is no hardware advantage at all for the Xbox unlike last generation where it at least had the GPU advantage.

But you're right in one area, it will always come down to games. Let's hope MS continues to release some great exclusives out for the whole life cycle and not just the first half like what happened with the 360.

I'm right in all areas ;)

That said...GAMES GAMES GAMES. I will be playing all the Uncharted 4s, 5s and 6s and whatever else shows up exclusive on the PS4. I am excited.

The 360 had arguably it's best years in the second half of it's life. Granted, that is when it's library swelled, untouched by any console in size.
 
Show me where I said that or insinuated that. I said the Xbox One is the only console that supports it. Doesn't mean Sony can't update the software to do so.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/21/ps4-will-output-video-in-4k-but-not-games/
So why even mention it then bro?
If X1 is struggling with 1080p and the PS4 has more horsepower then the X1 then its a safe bet that the PS4 will prob get it b4 the X1(prob via NF) and more of it especially when it comes to games.
 
Your not understanding me so, let me make it clearer for you without being too direct:

IT DOESNT MATTER TO ME!

Besides, there is a slew of upcoming games coming to the X1 that are native 1080p. I think many have called victory for Ps4 a bit early. Not all launch games were native 1080p on the X1 but that seems to be changing with more titles reported as native 1080p throughout the year. 1080p, 720 etc doesnt matter to me. But I think some should refrain from claiming victory for the PS4 until we have a better view of things. Just sayin....


Theres going to be some seriously pissed of fanboys if things change and both consoles are the same across the board in the coming months.

Well, that's good. At least you aren't bothered by the graphical disparity in resolution as some might be. If things change better for MS, then that's good news for xbox one only owners since it brings them closer to par with the PS4 although the price difference is still there. Noone's claiming a victory anywhere, this is merely a discussion...

Yes. But you continue to bring up articles and reviews about resolutions that lend to the idea that you believe that the rez discrepancies between the Xbox One and Ps4 will continue throughout the generation. If thats not what your attempting to say, then my apologies. But if you are, then I would suggest waiting to see the bigger picture.

No, that's not what I'm attempting to say. My point stands: even though the resolution difference may not matter to you or Soldier, it matters to a lot of other people as evidenced by the amount of threads and articles written about said difference. Who said it will continue throughout the generation? It may or may not. Neither you or I have a crystal ball to tell us otherwise. But what we can do is discuss what is presently known to us now. If it changes in the future, then great! We can discuss it then. Until that time, we can only discuss matters based upon what we know now.
 
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