500 GB HDD Is a Big Problem for Xbox & PlayStation

Do you need to expand your storage beyond 500GB?


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http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02...ive-is-a-big-problem-for-xbox-and-playstation

PlayStation 4’s and Xbox One’s first full year on the market saw blockbuster games, indie titles, lifestyle apps and more, all of which rapidly filled up hard drive space.

With new-generation games occupying increasingly larger amounts of storage than we’ve been used to, the stock 500 GB hard drive inside the new consoles diminishes in space rather sneakily after installing a few full release games, downloadable content packs, and patches. The accessible tools given to players to easily record and share their own gameplay also contributes to the storage issue, especially if it’s something a player revels in.

The small hard drive is a short-sighted restriction, as it isn’t even enough to cope with the content appetite of the average gamer across one year. Although there are a few solutions to mitigate the problem, such as storing save files on the cloud and taking advantage of external drives, micromanagement shouldn't be part of the Xbox One and PS4 experience that both companies spent so much energy on marketing. We need to start seeing more console options with larger capacities to support the average gamer’s content consumption.
As scores of consumers secure consoles over the recent holiday periods, let’s take a look at how many games from the past year users can expect to fit onto their stock consoles before they have to resort to micromanaging storage. We drew from various samples across different genres to calculate how much space games take up on average. We did the same for indie games, DLC and entertainment applications.
Retail and digital games occupy the same amount of hard drive space. And a cache from an install will remain on PS4 system until users decide to delete it. Sony’s console packs a 500 GB internal hard drive with 93 GB of storage set aside for the OS. The remaining 407 GB is designated user storage for applications, capture gallery, application saved data and themes.

Based on averages, PS4 users can expect to fit can expect to fit 13 full release games on their consoles. Alternatively, players can fit 12 full release games and a generous DLC pack for each title. For those who like to use their consoles for a range of uses, they’ll be able to cram in 12 full titles, 5 DLC packs, 5 indie games, 12 entertainment apps and a total of 15:42 minutes in gameplay clips. This leaves just a little over 1 GB free for a small indie game, a slight DLC pack, apps, and/or gameplay footage.

The stock Xbox One also features a 500 GB hard drive that can quickly drain of space, not due to the vast amount of content it can slowly accumulate, but because a relatively small 362 GB of storage reserved for users. The remaining space is for its multiple operating systems and other system functions. This number, however, is for the stock console that came with the Kinect.

Based on averages, Xbox One users can expect to fit can expect to fit 11 full release games and 4 large DLC packs on their consoles or 10 full release games with 16 hefty DLC packs. All-round gamers will able to cram in 10.5 full titles, 5 DLC packs, 5 indie games, approximately 12 entertainment apps and a total of 15:42 minutes in gameplay clips. This leaves approximately 2 GB free for a light indie game, slim DLC, apps and/or gameplay footage.

The game sizes used in our sample are sourced from PSN, Xbox Live Marketplace, and our own installations. The figures listed by both companies on their respective stores are smaller to what you can expect once you install the game and actually play it, due to patches and other data. For example, Destiny's actual game size is 22.17 GB installed on PS4 and its listed is as 17.4 GB online, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare increases to 43.25 GB up from 37.9 GB. Obviously, there will also be a fluctuation of these figures from user to user and console to console.

Capping at a maximum of 13 titles for this generation is an issue as scores of full release games have been released in this generation’s lifetime. Space was a niggling issue with players last generation that’s only getting worse for the current cycle as mandatory installs and patches balloon with the general increase in video game fidelity. File save data sizes (different to install sizes), while currently negligible in size, are also doubling along with an growing helft in patch install sizes.

With players getting blindsided by installing as-quoted-innocently-sized games and not truly expecting them to grow some spare tires is a great example of why 500 GB HD simply isn’t enough for the average gamer.
“It looks like we are doomed to a life of micromanaging our data"

Although, a few of the games listed did recommend a minimum of 50 GB to safely store files, a figure somewhat inflated to let the user how much the game could potentially take up in the future (we did not factor recommended minimums into the averages). The potential for last year’s releases to eat up that much HDD capacity is another mighty reason to underestimate how much space you have, especially if you think you are only installing a 30 GB game.

Looking towards the future, it’s obvious that game install sizes will keep increasing over the new-gen lifetime, exacerbating the problem. For example, the newer Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare’s 43.25 GB bulk on PS4 is a noticeable 39 percent inflation over Call of Duty: Ghosts’ 31.1 GB. Likewise, Assassin's Creed Unity's 38.2 GB is a whopping 63 percent bump over Black Flag's 23.4 GB.

Just by eyeing the trend of increasing install sizes of blockbuster franchises, both companies need to start offering consoles with at least 1 TB on the market to keep up with the demand. Even that's too snug, a 2 TB machine would be a good start as we head towards a digital only landscape. For current users of 500 GB consoles, it looks like we are doomed to a life of micromanaging our data with cloud saves, smaller-capacity external drives or resorting to digging up hacks on how to expand our stock consoles storage to 1 TB.

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That said, I am already sporting a 4TB external HDD so I am set for a little bit.
 
I filled my X1 hard drive in less than a year. To me that is a little extreme. I don't buy that many games, but last fall filled what space I have left. I know more than a few here are in the same boat.
 
I still have a decent amount of room left on my HDD. Went through and deleted some old demos and some apps I don't use. Right now I have Titanfall, Fifa 14, Kinect Sports Rivals and Tomb Raider & D4 full games installed and also have a few other smaller games like Chariot etc....will probably wind up deleting Tomb Raider once I get done with it and eventually will replace some of those games like Titanfall when I don't play it any more. Down the road I fully expect to pick up an external HDD for it as I'm sure I'll eventually need it.
 
Didn't I already say this is going to be a problem?

It doesn't matter if you can get can bigger external drives, at some point you're going to have multiple external HDD's and will be swapping those out to.
 
Didn't I already say this is going to be a problem?

It doesn't matter if you can get can bigger external drives, at some point you're going to have multiple external HDD's and will be swapping those out to.
What do you recommend, consoles come standard with 500TB?
 
I bought a 3TB and I can't see myself having issues for a few years. By then I can uninstall some games. Eventually, for example Forza 6 will replace 5 and such. If I haven't played something in more than a year I don't mind uninstalling. I didn't feel like uninstalling anything other than demos less than a year after buying the console.
 
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What do you recommend, consoles come standard with 500TB?

There isn't a good solution to the problem. It's either long load times or install every game to the HDD and buy an external drive every year.
 
I have one X1 game installed and have around 340GB remaining. I have 7 PS4 games installed all patched plus tons of video clips and screenshots saved and still have around 300GB left. I can see it being an issue in the future for me with the X1, but the PS4 so far doesn't seem like it will be much of an issue.
 
Well at the rate quality games are being released everyone should be fine :p

Why are we still using disc based media ? Would for example SD cards be a good replacement ?
 
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It's the equivalent of those 4mb memory cards back in the PS1 days. It is enough for some people, but barely adequate for a lot of people who don't want to micromanage.
 
I have one X1 game installed and have around 340GB remaining. I have 7 PS4 games installed all patched plus tons of video clips and screenshots saved and still have around 300GB left. I can see it being an issue in the future for me with the X1, but the PS4 so far doesn't seem like it will be much of an issue.

The Xbox One has 138GB used for OS, the PS4 has 93GB used for the OS. So the PS4 will be able to hold about 2 more games due to having 45gb more available space.
 
Not every X1 user will need massive space. For those who need more space, they can buy it... but it doesn't make sense to make ALL consumers spend a bunch up front for space they may not need or want.

500GB is plenty as a default inclusion amount. I have a 5TB external drive in addition to the 500GB internal space.

This just isn't an issue.
 
I filled my X1 hard drive in less than a year. To me that is a little extreme. I don't buy that many games, but last fall filled what space I have left. I know more than a few here are in the same boat.

My phone cost more than an X1, and it filled in less than 4 months. I had to buy an SD card for it.

When it comes to storage space, manufacturers and tech companies need to find what's suitable to meet the BASIC needs of all customers. If they're a good tech company, they provide options to increase the storage at a reasonable price (for those who feel like they need it, or who don't want to spend the time managing their storage much). Both Sony and MS have done that. I prefer MS's solution as adding an external drive is *way* faster and easier than replacing an internal drive, but Sony still has the "problem" solved for users who feel they need or want it.

Yeah, I'm just not seeing this thread. Just seems a bit like complaining and nitpicking a null "issue".
 
Why are we still using disc based media ? Would for example SD cards be a good replacement ?

It's cheaper per gigabyte to produce discs.

Sony and Microsoft will offer 1 Terabyte hard drives as the default when 500 gig hard drives are phased out of the market and no longer economical.
 
500GB is a decent drive for the price of these consoles. People would only bitch if the consoles were more expensive due to larger drives.
 
Not much of an issue being as you can replace the drive in PS4 and use an external hard drive on One. This seems like a bitching article just for the sake of bitching. Guess IGN has nothing to write about. I do wish PS4 would allow external hard drive like One does.

Its not hard to remove a game install from PS4 once and a while. Only thing I hate is I'd like to leave the games update data on there and just remove the data the disc installed. The PS4 installs games so fast big deal if you wait a whole min to install the game again in the future. before you play

Now a 1GB patch is a bitch to wait for to download before you start your game. So yeah let me remove the mean game data but keep all the patch and update data.

I myself like how MS handles the space issue on One more then PS4. People can say what they want but you can't just put any HD into a game system. I remember on PS3 some drives did not play nice with the system no idea if that is still an issue with PS4 but I'd reather leave the stock HD inside of PlayStation 4 being as I know it works
 
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I dont buy many games that often and i usually end up trading in games to get others so i dont usually have alot of games on my hdds on either the x1 and ps4, i have more digital games on the ps4 but i usually just buy disc based games. I still have plenty of space on both systems so i am not really worried about hdd space yet.
 
500GB is a decent drive for the price of these consoles. People would only b**** if the consoles were more expensive due to larger drives.

Yeah, adding more cost to the initial console (especially X1 at launch which was $500) would not have been good. The price of external drives was probably a lot higher then. They are dirt cheap now.
 
The Xbox One has 138GB used for OS, the PS4 has 93GB used for the OS. So the PS4 will be able to hold about 2 more games due to having 45gb more available space.

I didn't know how much they both used, but I was thinking the X1 already had around 150GB being used by the OS when I was checking the disk space.
 
Yeah, adding more cost to the initial console (especially X1 at launch which was $500) would not have been good. The price of external drives was probably a lot higher then. They are dirt cheap now.

can PS4 use external drives? If not that is one thing One has over PS4 if you ask me go get yourself a 5TB 3.5 external drive for One and I think 2.5 drive max out at 2TB still do they not? I'd prefer to slip a USB powered 2.5 external drive on PS4 and leave the drive it came with alone.

I myself am having issues with space on PS4 I've had to remove data but its no big deal.
 
Physical media ftw. Just sell it back out when done with the game.

that and we get price drops. I mean s*** you got the disc version of a game selling for $20 when the online copy is still $50 or above. I'll get a DD version of a game if the price is right but I also like having something sitting on my shelf.

Watch Dogs is still $50 for the DD version just got the disc version 3 days ago for $20 Black Flag is $50 for the DD version it was $10 on amazon a month or two ago. f*** some BS over priced DD future people want.
 
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So much for ze magic of THE CLOUD (cue harp music). Man,not even a decent 64 GB flash drive could house more than one modern "blockbuster" game the way things are going...
 
Physical media ftw. Just sell it back out when done with the game.

Meh, way too old school for me, plus it doesn't even solve the problem for X1 and PS4, because the disks are just data-transfer mechanisms. The bits still need to live on the HDD to be played.

Besides, I use multiple X1's in multiple locations... I don't want to tote around a bunch of archaic disks with me everywhere I go. I just want the games I care about there, ready to play when I want. No need to worry about scratches, I can share with my brother by setting home locations, plus - the deals for digital can be better. I got AC:U and AC:BF for $15 - for both of them. When I got them, it was well over $35 for any disk copy of AC:U alone.

Yeah, disks are just old school and outdated. God, life is better without them.
 
Meh, way too old school for me, plus it doesn't even solve the problem for X1 and PS4, because the disks are just data-transfer mechanisms. The bits still need to live on the HDD to be played.

Besides, I use multiple X1's in multiple locations... I don't want to tote around a bunch of archaic disks with me everywhere I go. I just want the games I care about there, ready to play when I want. No need to worry about scratches, I can share with my brother by setting home locations, plus - the deals for digital can be better. I got AC:U and AC:BF for $15 - for both of them. When I got them, it was well over $35 for any disk copy of AC:U alone.

Yeah, disks are just old school and outdated. God, life is better without them.

Well, I'm glad I'm not in your boat. Physical media so much more convenient for me. Easy lending of games to friends , bandwith friendly is the way to go for me. Who has time to sign in and download games to a friend's console when you can just bring it to them physically. Also, recuperating my money is the #1 most attractive thing about physical media. Digital version, you're SOL. I usually pre-order the games on E3 deals or pre-order deals and usually get them for 30% off MSRP. I can then usually sell them back out for a few bucks less than what I paid for. Not to mention, I use a certain forum to trade PS4 games straight up. For example, I was done with COD:AW and I traded it for Dragon Age Inquisition with no extra money involved. If I got the digital version, this would be impossible.

So glad physical media and the re-sale/trade market is still so popular in today's gaming console world. Makes gaming life so much more easier and affordable.
 
So whoever wants to play whatever games are on your HDD can't back on your main console? That's convenient.
If you take your retail optical disks with you, they can't play them back on your main console either. However, if my HDD was unplugged and at a friends, those at home can very well download the game to the HDD while the external is away.
 
Well, I'm glad I'm not in your boat. Physical media so much more convenient for me. Easy lending of games to friends , bandwith friendly is the way to go for me. Who has time to sign in and download games to a friend's console when you can just bring it to them physically. Also, recuperating my money is the #1 most attractive thing about physical media. Digital version, you're SOL. I usually pre-order the games on E3 deals or pre-order deals and usually get them for 30% off MSRP. I can then usually sell them back out for a few bucks less than what I paid for. Not to mention, I use a certain forum to trade PS4 games straight up. For example, I was done with COD:AW and I traded it for Dragon Age Inquisition with no extra money involved. If I got the digital version, this would be impossible.

So glad physical media and the re-sale/trade market is still so popular in today's gaming console world. Makes gaming life so much more easier and affordable.

Tragically, it's that kind of spending (or lack there of) that dramatically contributes to the financial struggles of the industry... and why many have fought to have codes included in disk-based sales, to get some of the revenue from the "used games" market back where it belongs (with the content creators).

I get it, though. Not everyone can afford to buy a bunch of games. They're a premium. They're a luxury.

That said, I'd emphatically disagree physical disks are in any meaningful way "easier". As Kvally mentioned, it's trivially easy to move your whole library of games around on a single 5TB HD... and it's *WAAAAAAAAAAY* faster... and then when you switch games, you don't need to worry about swapping disks.

I think it's clear and demonstrable that DD has physical beat i terms of practical use, ease of use, and simplicity - but physical is still the best way to go if you can't afford to avoid the used-game market scenarios (whether buying or selling).