500 GB HDD Is a Big Problem for Xbox & PlayStation

Do you need to expand your storage beyond 500GB?

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Kvally said:
If you take your retail optical disks with you, they can't play them back on your main console either. However, if my HDD was unplugged and at a friends, those at home can very well download the game to the HDD while the external is away.
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Yeah, that's why there is a collection of physical games that anyone can just pick up and insert whatever game they want.

So using up extra bandwith to download the same game again? Cool. I guess if you had unlimited bandwith and decent speeds, it wouldn't be a problem.
 
Flynn said:
Tragically, it's that kind of spending (or lack there of) that dramatically contributes to the financial struggles of the industry... and why many have fought to have codes included in disk-based sales, to get some of the revenue from the "used games" market back where it belongs (with the content creators).

I get it, though. Not everyone can afford to buy a bunch of games. They're a premium. They're a luxury.

That said, I'd emphatically disagree physical disks are in any meaningful way "easier". As Kvally mentioned, it's trivially easy to move your whole library of games around on a single 5TB HD... and it's *WAAAAAAAAAAY* faster... and then when you switch games, you don't need to worry about swapping disks.

I think it's clear and demonstrable that DD has physical beat i terms of practical use, ease of use, and simplicity - but physical is still the best way to go if you can't afford to avoid the used-game market scenarios (whether buying or selling).
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The trading, resale market has been in business since the early days. Don't act like all of a sudden, this is why the gaming industry is struggling.

I'm sorry. I just don't agree but I'm glad you have extra $$$ to spend on digital games that you'll never be able to get money back from.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Yeah, that's why there is a collection of physical games that anyone can just pick up and insert whatever game they want.

So using up extra bandwith to download the same game again? Cool. I guess if you had unlimited bandwith and decent speeds, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Indeed, I have unlimited bandwidth. Most of us do here in the US. Not familiar with Canada though. But the likely hood that someone here would want to download or play a game while I am gone is slim to none. Though I do have a second Xbox One that has all the same game downloaded to it as well.

With retail disks, you are going to have to go to a friends house and install the entire game again there too. With the external HDD, it is plug and play, and ALL of your games are there ready to roll.
 
DriedMangoes said:
The trading, resale market has been in business since the early days. Don't act like all of a sudden, this is why the gaming industry is struggling.
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Oh, I never acted like it was "all of a sudden", but game prices have stagnated for years, and fallen well below what they cost years ago when factoring in inflation, but the budgets to produce them have skyrocketed... it's been a gradual/slow shift. Not all of a sudden at all. So effectively lower-cost games, much higher cost to build them, and to add to it? A ballooning second hand market. With internet ease, and nearly all major game retailers selling used games (which has not always been the case), it's now a booming business that's robbing the creators and publishers of their hard-earned money.

Back on topic, though, physical media doesn't solve the "problem" that this thread is based around... so it's really a null point.
 
Kvally said:
Indeed, I have unlimited bandwidth. Most of us do here in the US. Not familiar with Canada though. But the likely hood that someone here would want to download or play a game while I am gone is slim to none. Though I do have a second Xbox One that has all the same game downloaded to it as well.

With retail disks, you are going to have to go to a friends house and install the entire game again there too. With the external HDD, it is plug and play, and ALL of your games are there ready to roll.
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Well, in the case of Xbox One, I guess the physical media would be a bit more of a hassle because of the slow install times. Usually it takes about 30 seconds for the PS4 games to install.
 
Flynn said:
Oh, I never acted like it was "all of a sudden", but game prices have stagnated for years, and fallen well below what they cost years ago when factoring in inflation, but the budgets to produce them have skyrocketed... it's been a gradual/slow shift. Not all of a sudden at all. So effectively lower-cost games, much higher cost to build them, and to add to it? A ballooning second hand market. With internet ease, and nearly all major game retailers selling used games (which has not always been the case), it's now a booming business that's robbing the creators and publishers of their hard-earned money.
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The games take way too much money to develop these days. I'd say the second hand market has helped consumers alleviate the expensive cost of gaming as a hobby which is great for consumers like you and me.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Well, in the case of Xbox One, I guess the physical media would be a bit more of a hassle because of the slow install times. Usually it takes about 30 seconds for the PS4 games to install.
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Install times are more than they are on the PS4, yes. But not enough so to worry about. For example, I was able to start playing Sniper 3 on my Xbox One after about 45 seconds.

But that is the point, you don't have to install the Xbox One games when going to friends homes. If I want to go to a friends house with my games, I can unplug my HDD that has my 30 some games on it, go to my friends, plug in the USB, and play them instantly, no install, right from the game library. With the PS4, I would need to bring over all the disks, and install all the games on their PS4 before I can play them. Then if they don't want the games on their PS4 anymore, they need to go in and delete them all. With the Xbox One, I just unplug my HDD, and I am off like a prom dress. Heck, I can even copy the game from my external HDD to their HDD, they can sign into the Xbox Store and buy the game if they liked it, and they instantly have access to the game without even having to download it. They had a 10 second transfer from my HDD.

The advantages of physical comes down to price and resale. I suppose, if for any reason PSN/XBL closed up shop, and you lost the ability to redownload a game that you had chosen to uninstall for whatever reason, you would lose all access to it.
 
DriedMangoes said:
The games take way too much money to develop these days. I'd say the second hand market has helped consumers alleviate the expensive cost of gaming as a hobby which is great for consumers like you and me.
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Until it leaves studios bankrupt and closing, not being able to build you anything other than the COD's which everyone complains doesn't have enough innovation, yet still buys...

The used games industry is too big, and very dangerous for the survival of the industry. Unless people want iOS-level games moving forward to quench their gaming needs, the used-games industry needs to change. It's a huge problem.
 
Kvally said:
Install times are more than they are on the PS4, yes. But not enough so to worry about. For example, I was able to start playing Sniper 3 on my Xbox One after about 45 seconds.

But that is the point, you don't have to install the Xbox One games when going to friends homes. If I want to go to a friends house with my games, I can unplug my HDD that has my 30 some games on it, go to my friends, plug in the USB, and play them instantly, no install, right from the game library. With the PS4, I would need to bring over all the disks, and install all the games on their PS4 before I can play them. Then if they don't want the games on their PS4 anymore, they need to go in and delete them all. With the Xbox One, I just unplug my HDD, and I am off like a prom dress. Heck, I can even copy the game from my external HDD to their HDD, they can sign into the Xbox Store and buy the game if they liked it, and they instantly have access to the game without even having to download it. They had a 10 second transfer from my HDD.

The advantages of physical comes down to price and resale. I suppose, if for any reason PSN/XBL closed up shop, and you lost the ability to redownload a game that you had chosen to uninstall for whatever reason, you would lose all access to it.
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So your friend can play the game from the beginning on his own XBL account just by plugging in the HDD?
 
Flynn said:
Until it leaves studios bankrupt and closing, not being able to build you anything other than the COD's which everyone complains doesn't have enough innovation, yet still buys...

The used games industry is too big, and very dangerous for the survival of the industry. Unless people want iOS-level games moving forward to quench their gaming needs, the used-games industry needs to change. It's a huge problem.
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The used games market is more used for the more common and popular games like COD, NBA etc. anyways. So it would be the biggest studios that would be losing out on that money. Yet, they are still here. They make enough money as is.
 
DriedMangoes said:
The used games market is more used for the more common and popular games like COD, NBA etc. anyways.
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Show me evidence of this, because my data (which I cannot share) suggests otherwise.

Go into gamestop, and look at the used games section. Generally, you'll find far more non-pop games than pop games.
 
If you have an external USB 3.0 external stick or HDD, just plug it into X1's USB port. Problem solved. I added a Seagate 3tb drive myself. Plugged it in, the console recognized it, formatting it took 3 seconds and it's ready to go. Cost me $100.
 
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It's not a big issue for me. I don't buy digital and i'll just delete game installs if i need to. It would be nice if i didn't have to worry about space though.
 
TDbank24 said:
It's not a big issue for me. I don't buy digital and i'll just delete game installs if i need to. It would be nice if i didn't have to worry about space though.
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I think this hits on it perfectly.

It's not a problem. It's a mild inconvenience (at best), and one (which if you're willing to pay for it) can be solved quite easily... and if you're not willing to pay for it, then you deal with the mild inconvenience.

I'd say "problem solved", but that implies there actually was a problem to begin with.

Bottom line, no problem.
 
Flynn said:
Show me evidence of this, because my data (which I cannot share) suggests otherwise.

Go into gamestop, and look at the used games section. Generally, you'll find far more non-pop games than pop games.
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Based on my personal experience. I'm sure it's different for everyone but logic tells us that more popular games would be traded, re-sold around because more copies are out. Chances of it happening is higher.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Based on my personal experience. I'm sure it's different for everyone but logic tells us that more popular games would be traded, re-sold around because more copies are out. Chances of it happening is higher.
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Chances of people holding on to more copies (due to their popularity) is also logical.

So, you have no evidence or proof. It's just an assertion on your part. Got it.
 
Flynn said:
Chances of people holding on to more copies (due to their popularity) is also logical.

So, you have no evidence or proof. It's just an assertion on your part. Got it.
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You say you have evidence that proves otherwise but say you can't share it.

So no proof, got it.
 
DriedMangoes said:
You say you have evidence that proves otherwise but say you can't share it.

So no proof, got it.
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Right.

So that leaves us with neither being supported, so it's prudent to then drop your initial claim, as it's not supported.
 
It was pretty obvious from day one that 500GB really wasn't enough.With game sizes being what they are, DLC being thrown at us from all directions, digital purchases of other entertainment, and the need to install everything, even a 10GB HDD wouldn't have been enough for a lot of folks.

For me, I think a 2GB HDD might have been enough. I am not one to play lots of games at any given time so uninstalling games I am done with is just part of my gaming lifestyle. I do not buy loads of DLC and other entertainment is delivered via the best form, blu-ray.
 
I think 500gb is only good for people who tend to buy a game, play it a ton and sell it back within a reasonable time. Me? I'm a collector. I buy games with long term playability. Forza Horizon 2 will be on my system until v3 of the game hits. I never would sell back games. There's always the possibility that I replay a game. Not that I always have time, but I don't want to part with my collection. I can "manage" by uninstalling at times, but 500gb is not enough for my collection. I have a backlog of games already from last fall that I've barely touched.
 
I've gone completely digital so bought a 2 TB hard drive for my x1. Still waiting for external support on the ps4 but still have around 200 gigs free so it's not an immediate problem.
 
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I don't think it matters if you are all digital or not on X1. Physical games (I think) install fully to the HD anyway. The disk is just there to verify you own the game.
 
I have less than 100GB left on both my X1 and PS4.
 
Don't think I've used more than 50% on either console. If I'm done with a game I usually just delete it anyways. I can always install it later if needed.
 
Kerosene31 said:
I don't think it matters if you are all digital or not on X1. Physical games (I think) install fully to the HD anyway. The disk is just there to verify you own the game.
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Both consoles do that with disk.
 
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