Americans – Like Nazi Germans – Don’t Notice that All of Our Rights Are Slipping Away

[Kassen]

Lol @ "people are afraid to say what they actually believe." That's the most made-up bulls*** I have ever seen. The writer has clearly never been to America. On top of that, the article refuses to give any evidence or proper reasoning to support any of its paranoid claims. It's an article written with a whole lot of nothing in it. Filler designed to patter out the article just long enough to almost convince you the article is actually trying to say something, but it falls to deliver any message with its empty words.

 

[Qbert]

Depends on the context if the contact. Is it consentual or not?

At designated check points, it need not be consensual with the driver. The driver is required to display ID if asked for it.



Again, we are talking about asking for ID, not the search itself.

 

[morfeeis]

Depends on the context if the contact. Is it consentual or not?

the difference is he is under the impression that a leo can just stop you anywhere for any reason and demand your id without and reason to suspect you have or are about to commit a crime. he went on to talk about an exception to search a car and tried to use that to say that refusal to show id is cause for a search, the guy is lost. He also thinks demanding ID isn't a search, thnat's where i stopped.


You know it has to be bad when i refuse to carry on a debate.

 

[DarkPassenger]

America is turning into more like Communist Russia than Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany thrived economically and militarily. Ethnic Germans weren't living under oppressive conditions, let alone living under a police state. I couldn't say the same for the Jewish population though.

 

[Qbert]

the difference is he is under the impression that a leo can just stop you anywhere for any reason and demand your id without and reason to suspect you have or are about to commit a crime. he went on to talk about an exception to search a car and tried to use that to say that refusal to show id is cause for a search, the guy is lost. He also thinks demanding ID isn't a search, thnat's where i stopped.


You know it has to be bad when i refuse to carry on a debate.

The supreme court ruled that states CAN set up check points.
Checking ID is NOT a search, as the state owns the ID.


Go ahead, provide legit links disproving me. I've provided sufficient links and evidence....you've provided, well....nothing.

PLEASEEEEE, prove me wrong if I'm wrong, if not, stop talking out of your arse. Please, give me a legit source, link, whatever, that says states cannot setup pre-determined check points and ask for ID.
I, will, wait.

 

[ZombiesRUCrazy]

the difference is he is under the impression that a leo can just stop you anywhere for any reason and demand your id without and reason to suspect you have or are about to commit a crime.

They can. It's not a search. Then it's your choice to comply or not.

If a cop stops you on the street, asks you questions or your id, the first thing you should ask is if you are detained or free to go. You are in public, even if detained, which means your miranda rights do not apply.

If he says free to go, walk away. you don't have to talk to the officer. If the cop is an ass, likely will give you a hard time or arrest you even, but since he lacked reasonable suspicion probably will be let go. Also always remember, cops can make s*** up to meet the low standard of reasonable suspicion. How valuable is your time?

If he says detained, well, you can choose to comply or not. Ask why are you being detained. Then your choice to comply with your identification. It's already a valid terry stop. If you don't comply, probably heading to jail, especially if in a state with a stop and identify statute. simplu giving your name may not be good enough.

Now, when it comes to automobiles, simply pulling you over automatically meets the reasonable suspicion standard. That's why you are suppose to automatically provide your license, registration and proof of insurance. Also, i'm pretty sure every states vehicle code requires you to have a license, registration and proof of insurance while operating a car and you are required to present your license when asked by a peace officer in many if not all states while operating a car(too lazy to look up registration and PoI.). In CA this is listed under v.c.12951(b)

Now you, can refuse if you want though, but you are likely going to be arrested. If you are arrested then your car will probably be impounded. Once a lawful arrest has occurred, they can search your car. If your car is impounded instead, cops are free to do a full inventory search of your entire car including opening containers and what not. Whatever they fins can be used against you.

Now, if you comply with identification, the cop can ask to search your car, but of course you do not have to consent.

Evidence in plaint sigh, obviously you're f***ed. They can only search the passenger compartment and console/glove box though. not the trunk though unless you consent.

And of course, probable cause a crime has been committed gives cops right to search your car under the carol doctrine.

 

[morfeeis]

They can. It's not a search. Then it's your choice to comply or not.

If a cop stops you on the street, asks you questions or your id, the first thing you should ask is if you are detained or free to go. You are in public, even if detained, which means your miranda rights do not apply.

If he says free to go, walk away. you don't have to talk to the officer. If the cop is an ass, likely will give you a hard time or arrest you even, but since he lacked reasonable suspicion probably will be let go. Also always remember, cops can make s*** up to meet the low standard of reasonable suspicion. How valuable is your time?

If he says detained, well, you can choose to comply or not. Ask why are you being detained. Then your choice to comply with your identification. It's already a valid terry stop. If you don't comply, probably heading to jail, especially if in a state with a stop and identify statute. simplu giving your name may not be good enough.

Now, when it comes to automobiles, simply pulling you over automatically meets the reasonable suspicion standard. That's why you are suppose to automatically provide your license, registration and proof of insurance. Also, i'm pretty sure every states vehicle code requires you to have a license, registration and proof of insurance while operating a car and you are required to present your license when asked by a peace officer in many if not all states while operating a car(too lazy to look up registration and PoI.). In CA this is listed under v.c.12951(b)

Now you, can refuse if you want though, but you are likely going to be arrested. If you are arrested then your car will probably be impounded. Once a lawful arrest has occurred, they can search your car. If your car is impounded instead, cops are free to do a full inventory search of your entire car including opening containers and what not. Whatever they fins can be used against you.

Now, if you comply with identification, the cop can ask to search your car, but of course you do not have to consent.

Evidence in plaint sigh, obviously you're f***ed. They can only search the passenger compartment and console/glove box though. not the trunk though unless you consent.

And of course, probable cause a crime has been committed gives cops right to search your car under the carol doctrine.

Ask and demand or two different things, but yes you are correct on a lot of you other points.

 

[Qbert]

Ask and demand or two different things, but yes you are correct on a lot of you other points.

Still waiting for proof on your part that asking to show license at a designated check point is not only illegal, but deemed unconstitutional.

 

[BraddersTheDog]

They can. It's not a search. Then it's your choice to comply or not.

If a cop stops you on the street, asks you questions or your id, the first thing you should ask is if you are detained or free to go. You are in public, even if detained, which means your miranda rights do not apply.

If he says free to go, walk away. you don't have to talk to the officer. If the cop is an ass, likely will give you a hard time or arrest you even, but since he lacked reasonable suspicion probably will be let go. Also always remember, cops can make s*** up to meet the low standard of reasonable suspicion. How valuable is your time?

If he says detained, well, you can choose to comply or not. Ask why are you being detained. Then your choice to comply with your identification. It's already a valid terry stop. If you don't comply, probably heading to jail, especially if in a state with a stop and identify statute. simplu giving your name may not be good enough.

Now, when it comes to automobiles, simply pulling you over automatically meets the reasonable suspicion standard. That's why you are suppose to automatically provide your license, registration and proof of insurance. Also, i'm pretty sure every states vehicle code requires you to have a license, registration and proof of insurance while operating a car and you are required to present your license when asked by a peace officer in many if not all states while operating a car(too lazy to look up registration and PoI.). In CA this is listed under v.c.12951(b)

Now you, can refuse if you want though, but you are likely going to be arrested. If you are arrested then your car will probably be impounded. Once a lawful arrest has occurred, they can search your car. If your car is impounded instead, cops are free to do a full inventory search of your entire car including opening containers and what not. Whatever they fins can be used against you.

Now, if you comply with identification, the cop can ask to search your car, but of course you do not have to consent.

Evidence in plaint sigh, obviously you're f***ed. They can only search the passenger compartment and console/glove box though. not the trunk though unless you consent.

And of course, probable cause a crime has been committed gives cops right to search your car under the carol doctrine.

Or just show your ID and continue on your way safe in the knowledge that having had it checked is utterly irrelevant to the rest of your day.

 

[ZombiesRUCrazy]

Or just show your ID and continue on your way safe in the knowledge that having had it checked is utterly irrelevant to the rest of your day.

Of course, hence the how valuable is your time comment haha.

 

[morfeeis]

Of course, hence the how valuable is your time comment haha.

Much less then my right to privacy.

 

[David]

Been off here for a little bit so sorry if anyone has said this.

we do notice but anytime anyone says anything were rascist bigots who are untollerant in not seeing others point of views.
This country has been going down hill since the early 90s. My generation are a bunch of lazy Fvcks who are so self entitled that they raise there kids to think this country owes them something. My god, oh excuse me for saying god. That seems to be getting illegal as well. A kid can scream and cuss like a sailer, but say a prayer or pray over your lunch and the whole place stops and stairs.
Lazy, and the left are giving up all out rights for entitlement programs, and for making people feel good.
Crap just as an example I'm trying to learn to speed well. Superviser keeps telling me I'm doing a great job. I'm not I'm sinking. He just doesn't want to hurt my feelings. Who gives a crap about my feelings. All that's going to happen is instead of them critisizing me constructively. I'll just get pulled off, and replaced.
Everyone 35 and older needs to read about how things were before their parents were raised. Our parents are the ones that started this crap. We need to teach our kids. You don't win you don't get a trophy!
We don't have self respect anymore. Without that, freedom isn't deserved.

Sorry but I've been having a really crappy two weeks. Wife busted tv, my 360 AGAIN, 2nd time in less than a month. At least my 360 still worked this time, don't know how. my superviser refuses to tell me I'm doing a crappy job on this welding stuff.
On the bright side I might actually get a REAL JOB!!!! Not a temp job a REAL one. If you guys pray, pray I get it. My mother in law was asked to send more info about me by the guy who does the hiring.
Done venting sorry but I needed to get that out. Still haven't wanted to move to Colorado in a while HURRAY FOR ME!!!!

 

[David]

Smoking is one of those things that is a complicated subjects, on one side people have the right to smoke, but non smokers have the right to not to be impacted by it. One of the smoking laws that is silly is in Burbank CA, where the outlawed smoking in the city period. So if a smoker is in the middle of a field and no one is around and a cops see them, they can get a $200 ticket and that's BS.

As for your minwage comment, as always destroy an argument with a fact and you go on to something else.So You live in CA where the cost of living is more than almost anywhere in the country and guess who has one of the highest minwage? So as i stated so few people make minwage that raising it wont matter one bit and will only put people on tyhe lower end out of a job as pointed out in a thread from last week.


A weak dollar is the issue.

Bet ya you can drink though, huh. The morning after smell of alcohal on a drunk is the most disgusting smell in the world.

 

[ZombiesRUCrazy]

Been off here for a little bit so sorry if anyone has said this.

we do notice but anytime anyone says anything were rascist bigots who are untollerant in not seeing others point of views.
This country has been going down hill since the early 90s. My generation are a bunch of lazy Fvcks who are so self entitled that they raise there kids to think this country owes them something. My god, oh excuse me for saying god. That seems to be getting illegal as well. A kid can scream and cuss like a sailer, but say a prayer or pray over your lunch and the whole place stops and stairs.
Lazy, and the left are giving up all out rights for entitlement programs, and for making people feel good.

I'm from your generation, what rights have been given up for entitlement programs by the lazy and the left? What do you consider an entitlement program?

 

[Qbert]

I can't stand when people generalize welfare recipients as being lazy and from the left. What a load of crock. Did you all know that the % of those on entitlement programs are the same for blacks as they are for whites? So, all those white folks are all from the left? Also, why call them lazy? Did some of you know that there are only about 1 available job for every 4-5 american that needs a job? Know them facts....that means that no matter how hard they tried, 3-4 of them simply cannot get jobs, because the are not enough jobs.

I think some people really need to look up the "myths" about welfare recipients before generalizing and calling them lazy.

 

[morfeeis]

Bet ya you can drink though, huh. The morning after smell of alcohal on a drunk is the most disgusting smell in the world.

sure can, but as i said silly law. but i do have to say vodka on someones breath never hurt anyone......

 

[BraddersTheDog]

Much less then my right to privacy.

You sound like someone who's wandering around with a stash of animal porn in his wallet. I just don't get the big deal. It's not like a cop at a random stop check is going to use your details for anything..he's hardly going to pass them on to a bunch of annoying f*cking phone sales companies. If you've got nothing to hide, I don't see why you'd want to hide it..at least not if it's going to inconvenience you.

 

[sharkboy1200]

sure can, but as i said silly law. but i do have to say vodka on someones breath never hurt anyone......

At least not the ones behind a wheel...

 

[David]

I can't stand when people generalize welfare recipients as being lazy and from the left. What a load of crock. Did you all know that the % of those on entitlement programs are the same for blacks as they are for whites? So, all those white folks are all from the left? Also, why call them lazy? Did some of you know that there are only about 1 available job for every 4-5 american that needs a job? Know them facts....that means that no matter how hard they tried, 3-4 of them simply cannot get jobs, because the are not enough jobs.

I think some people really need to look up the "myths" about welfare recipients before generalizing and calling them lazy.

no one mentioned race but you. I'm white my entire family works the friggin system man! The only one who actually tries to do better. Get crapped on clean it off and try again. When I say entire family I mean ENTIRE FAMILY aunts, uncles cousins, older and younger ones, sister, father. The only ones that worked before me was my grandparents. IM WHITE trash!
Bringing up race when, ONE ELSE IS EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT!
I don't get stamps or any other govt assistance. I make $9.50 hour right now.
My wife has finally started bringing in $ since she has graduated I quit my real job when she got her first degree from that drug den Ameriqual, good thing to considering a baby and military food production place had a "isolated" hep outbreak.
YES they are lazy entitled brats at least 90%, and 90% of those are from the left.
If they weren't they wouldn't be to good for any job!
Are you to good to scrub toilets, clean machines, weld bathtub part for final production process, box up roofing materials? Because I've done all that since I quit, and haven't got a dime, besides taxes, from the govt.

As far as rights locally at least I can't wave to a cop. My freedom of speech is constantly being chipped away. Nationally isn't it federal law now you can't protest while the president is in the area? Freedom of assembly is being torn apart unless your part of some left wing war crie. Freedom of religion is getting to be a joke unless you try to practice something else that Christianity. Freedom of the press/ political party's yeah ask those people who's phones were tapped and targeted by the IRS. That's just the top of my head in 30 seconds.

There is NO JOB SHORTAGE. What there is though are way to many Temp agencies so companies don't actually have to hire anyone, and pay decent wages. There is also a lack of people who are willing to still try to MAKE THE AMERICAN DREAM happen instead of it being given to them.

Welfare equals FREE, money,cell phones, medical, dental, food, clothes, cable, education.
The govt gives this to people. Housing at such a rate you'd be amazed at the fact a person hasn't had a job their ENTIRE LIFE because of section 8.

My doctors office tried to say that I couldn't come because he dosnt accept Obama Care. I've been paying cash for the last year and have not signed up or will sign up for it. When I got there, IRATE she apollagized to me. In an office packed full of people trying to use that crap. In the weight and hieght section section she tried to explain. There was no need to. Once again a bunch a lazy people my age trying to get something for nothing! A person trying to do things the right way almost slips through the cracks. Good thing I don't owe him $. Also good thing I PAY IN CASH!

Long live AMERICA no matter what race, religion political originations you belong to.
That mean YOU Qbert, Ketto, and that other guy who is knocking me when I make long post like this, dr something, he likes Elvis.
man hope I don't get banned for this one.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH Y'all

Only goes as far as what someone in a govt office will let it go.
Or in this case a mod or owner.

 

[David]

You sound like someone who's wandering around with a stash of animal porn in his wallet. I just don't get the big deal. It's not like a cop at a random stop check is going to use your details for anything..he's hardly going to pass them on to a bunch of annoying f*cking phone sales companies. If you've got nothing to hide, I don't see why you'd want to hide it..at least not if it's going to inconvenience you.

privacy isn't actually mentioned in the constitution, though it is implied through certain amendments.
That's not the point though.
What if I do have something to hide? Huh what if I got a bunch of cat on dog porn, nothing illegal just highly embarrassing and potentially life altering stuff if the public was to know?I don't want some cop with an authority complex, or some other person finding out my skeletons and throwing them on YouTube or Facebook.
Can I put a camera, and microphone in your bathroom? Come on man you have nothing to hide.

 

[David]

How GOD speaks in mysterious ways. After writhing my rant read my nightly chapter of bible. David's camp was raided everything was taken. He leads 400 of his men to go after the thieves/raiders. He leaves 200 behind though because they were to exhausted morally( read what happened) and physically.
David retrieved everything taken from him, and his men. He gets back and goes to give the 200 men their portion and possessions. While some men didn't want him to.
So now I'm thinking would I be one of the 400?
I mean there is a difference between what I see in flat out laziness, and what these 200 men went through. Would the group from with in the 400 think the 200 were just lazy? Different times means different definitions of a word.

Just a though, anyone care to give $.02

 

[BraddersTheDog]

privacy isn't actually mentioned in the constitution, though it is implied through certain amendments.
That's not the point though.
What if I do have something to hide? Huh what if I got a bunch of cat on dog porn, nothing illegal just highly embarrassing and potentially life altering stuff if the public was to know?I don't want some cop with an authority complex, or some other person finding out my skeletons and throwing them on YouTube or Facebook.
Can I put a camera, and microphone in your bathroom? Come on man you have nothing to hide.

If you want to listen to me taking a sh*t that's your problem.

 

[David]

If you want to listen to me taking a sh*t that's your problem.

I listen to everyone's point if view. I don't want to have group think mentality.

 

[Qbert]

no one mentioned race but you. I'm white my entire family works the friggin system man! The only one who actually tries to do better. Get crapped on clean it off and try again. When I say entire family I mean ENTIRE FAMILY aunts, uncles cousins, older and younger ones, sister, father. The only ones that worked before me was my grandparents. IM WHITE trash!
Bringing up race when, ONE ELSE IS EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT!

I never said anyone here made that racial connection, but it is a widely made connection, and I was speaking in general.

YES they are lazy entitled brats at least 90%, and 90% of those are from the left.

Actually, studies show that the majority of those on assistance get off it within 2-5 years, so no, 90% are not lazy entitles brats as you put it. Also, almost have of welfare recipients are white...you know for a fact that they are mostly all from the left? Online studies range from 60%-80%, and those studies are not even conclusive, so it's a r******d statement to make, as many of these on welfare are neither republican nor democrat....just a bunch of people in need.

As far as rights locally at least I can't wave to a cop. My freedom of speech is constantly being chipped away. Nationally isn't it federal law now you can't protest while the president is in the area? Freedom of assembly is being torn apart unless your part of some left wing war crie. Freedom of religion is getting to be a joke unless you try to practice something else that Christianity. Freedom of the press/ political party's yeah ask those people who's phones were tapped and targeted by the IRS. That's just the top of my head in 30 seconds.

Your right hasn't been taken away. You can still voice your opinion. You can still assemble, etc. Nowhere in the constitution is there anything about rights to protest near the president.

There is NO JOB SHORTAGE. What there is though are way to many Temp agencies so companies don't actually have to hire anyone, and pay decent wages. There is also a lack of people who are willing to still try to MAKE THE AMERICAN DREAM happen instead of it being given to them.

Yes, there is. I won't do your homework for you. How about you go and check to see how many jobs are made available monthly, and then check to see how many are in need of a job. Various studies have shown that there are about 1 job for every 3-5 americans that need jobs (depending on the study).

Welfare equals FREE, money,cell phones, medical, dental, food, clothes, cable, education.
The govt gives this to people. Housing at such a rate you'd be amazed at the fact a person hasn't had a job their ENTIRE LIFE because of section 8.

Section 8 is assistance though, and fact is, regardless of what you think, is needed by many, and given to many THAT ALREADY HAVE JOBS. I can't stand this general belief that most people on welfare are lazy, when the truth is, many are looking for jobs and many already have jobs. My mother used to be on Section 8....and she was on Section 8 for many many years....and worked hard every single one of those years. My father died when he was in his mid 20's, when I was less than a year old, and my mother worked 10 hour days to support me and my sister, but still needed assistance with housing. How does fit into your "lazy" view of those on assistance. I grew up in the ghetto bronx, and our story was very similar to almost everyone we knew. Hard workers, that simply still needed assistance to have a roof over their heads.





Don't be part of the problem and stop generalizing.

 

[David]

I never said anyone here made that racial connection, but it is a widely made connection, and I was speaking in general.



Actually, studies show that the majority of those on assistance get off it within 2-5 years, so no, 90% are not lazy entitles brats as you put it. Also, almost have of welfare recipients are white...you know for a fact that they are mostly all from the left? Online studies range from 60%-80%, and those studies are not even conclusive, so it's a r******d statement to make, as many of these on welfare are neither republican nor democrat....just a bunch of people in need.


Your right hasn't been taken away. You can still voice your opinion. You can still assemble, etc. Nowhere in the constitution is there anything about rights to protest near the president.


Yes, there is. I won't do your homework for you. How about you go and check to see how many jobs are made available monthly, and then check to see how many are in need of a job. Various studies have shown that there are about 1 job for every 3-5 americans that need jobs (depending on the study).


Section 8 is assistance though, and fact is, regardless of what you think, is needed by many, and given to many THAT ALREADY HAVE JOBS. I can't stand this general belief that most people on welfare are lazy, when the truth is, many are looking for jobs and many already have jobs. My mother used to be on Section 8....and she was on Section 8 for many many years....and worked hard every single one of those years. My father died when he was in his mid 20's, when I was less than a year old, and my mother worked 10 hour days to support me and my sister, but still needed assistance with housing. How does fit into your "lazy" view of those on assistance. I grew up in the ghetto bronx, and our story was very similar to almost everyone we knew. Hard workers, that simply still needed assistance to have a roof over their heads.





Don't be part of the problem and stop generalizing.

We both are talking from personal experience. Your mom is part of the 10% that actually need help. The people I'm related to, and know are the 90%
NO You don't have to have a job to get section 8 or live in projects.
It's not just the president.
They need a job, or they need a job that's not beneath them.
Like I said there is no job shortage just people that don't want to do certain jobs. We need a lot of truck drivers, nurses, and a lot of other things. A manager of small body shop is to good to manage McDonalds.
Your doing the same thing grouping me in with rascist, so it's ok for you to do it right?
The only thing any statistic shows are if you word things a certain way you'll more likely receive the answer you want.
Back to the whole job thing. There's plenty of temp jobs at these multimillion/ billion dollar multi national factories. We do the same jobs as "real" employes. Yet we live in poverty
Look on your phone for how many local temp agencies are just in your city. We work agencies get paid. Actual companies don't have to pay all wages insurance, among other things.
You want to feel bad for someone help someone out. Help a guy out that works at least 50 hours a week. Brings home a Check that he can't even get his kids some icecream without fearing the $20 he just dropped. Might cause him to be late on his rent, and it's $50 extra every five days he's late.

Look I know some people need this stuff. The majority don't though. It's not even pride that won't let them take a janitor job. It's dignity.
Well my dignity says this
It's up to you your family, extended family, and a church to help out when absolutely needed.
You know why? Because they know you and when your just taking advantage.
Older people disabled mentally challenged,yes evens single mom with kids need help long term.
But not my white sister with 3 baby dads who one killed a girl then, the police killed him. Ones a needle freak, and the 3rd actually has a job and straightened his life out. Actually got custody of his son.
Don't believe me about the murder LOOK it up Mark Carlise. Might have the s

 

[Qbert]

We both are talking from personal experience. Your mom is part of the 10% that actually need help. The people I'm related to, and know are the 90%
NO You don't have to have a job to get section 8 or live in projects.
It's not just the president.
They need a job, or they need a job that's not beneath them.
Like I said there is no job shortage just people that don't want to do certain jobs. We need a lot of truck drivers, nurses, and a lot of other things. A manager of small body shop is to good to manage McDonalds.
Your doing the same thing grouping me in with rascist, so it's ok for you to do it right?
The only thing any statistic shows are if you word things a certain way you'll more likely receive the answer you want.
Back to the whole job thing. There's plenty of temp jobs at these multimillion/ billion dollar multi national factories. We do the same jobs as "real" employes. Yet we live in poverty
Look on your phone for how many local temp agencies are just in your city. We work agencies get paid. Actual companies don't have to pay all wages insurance, among other things.
You want to feel bad for someone help someone out. Help a guy out that works at least 50 hours a week. Brings home a Check that he can't even get his kids some icecream without fearing the $20 he just dropped. Might cause him to be late on his rent, and it's $50 extra every five days he's late.

Look I know some people need this stuff. The majority don't though. It's not even pride that won't let them take a janitor job. It's dignity.
Well my dignity says this
It's up to you your family, extended family, and a church to help out when absolutely needed.
You know why? Because they know you and when your just taking advantage.
Older people disabled mentally challenged,yes evens single mom with kids need help long term.
But not my white sister with 3 baby dads who one killed a girl then, the police killed him. Ones a needle freak, and the 3rd actually has a job and straightened his life out. Actually got custody of his son.
Don't believe me about the murder LOOK it up Mark Carlise. Might have the s

You are so far off your stats. The majority of those in need....need the help. Do you even know how tough it is to qualify for most programs? Also, stats show, that the majority of those that end up receiving aid, are off it within 2-5 years.
As for needing a job to get section 8.....did I say you needed a job? I said that many that get the aid, are working, which again, blows your theory that the people getting aid are lazy. I suggest you do some research into the face of welfare, and you'll say that the majority are not lazy, quite the opposite of what you believe...and that the lazy accounts for the minority within the group.
Also, do some research on how many jobs are available. yes, there are jobs for everything you said.....but news flash, that's still not enough for every single person needing a job. Look it up, the information is readily available. Also, a good portion of these available jobs are low paying jobs, which result in the workers still needing assistance of sorts.
And when did I call you a racist? Are you just flaying about now?

 

[Qbert]

So much for this insane idea that 90% of those on assistance are lazy.

USDA: In 2010, 41 Percent Of SNAP Participants Lived "In A Household With Earnings." According to a USDA report on SNAP recipients for fiscal year 2010, "many SNAP participants had jobs." The report stated that "[n]early 30 percent of SNAP households had earnings in 2010" and "41 percent of all SNAP participants lived in a household with earnings." The report added, "For most of these households, earnings were the primary source of income.

Despite the large jump in unemployment during the recession, the share of SNAP families with earnings has continued to increase in recent years. This suggests that for a growing share of the nation's workers, having a job has not been enough to keep them out of poverty.

Most SNAP participants were children or elderly. Nearly half (47 percent) were under age 18 and another 8 percent were age 60 or older. Working-age women represented 28 percent of the caseload, while working-age men represented 17 percent.

Who gets food stamps?

The most recent Department of Agriculture report on the general characteristics of the SNAP program's beneficiaries says that in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2010:

••47% of beneficiaries were children under age 18.

••8% were age 60 or older.

••41% lived in a household with earnings from a job -- the so-called "working poor."

••The average household received a monthly benefit of $287.

••36% were white (non-Hispanic), 22% were African American (non-Hispanic) and 10% were Hispanic.

 

[Qbert]

Facts, must hurt a bit.

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percentof the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

 

[ZombiesRUCrazy]

just a drive by post, but to me, it seems that david's issues are misplaced with entitlement programs and should be aimed at our capitalist economy.

I mean, I am pretty damn certain that the majority of liberal states actually pay more in taxes than they get back from the fed government where as the majority of conservative states actually take more from the federal government than they pay in taxes.

 

[sharkboy1200]

just a drive by post, but to me, it seems that david's issues are misplaced with entitlement programs and should be aimed at our capitalist economy.

I mean, I am pretty damn certain that the majority of liberal states actually pay more in taxes than they get back from the fed government where as the majority of conservative states actually take more from the federal government than they pay in taxes.

It'd be funny if it weren't so true.