E3 General Discussion Thread

[OneBadMutha]

Xbox One X is the way to get the best graphics yes, best place to play overall depends on a lot of things so it's hard to push that message, especially when your "best place to play" console has the smallest installed base of any current console on the market and costs $500 to buy in and there are very few current big games that can only be played on any Xbox console at the moment. I get what you are saying but I don't think that message works beyond the hardcore xbox fan this late in the game.

Hardcore are who Microsoft should be working on. Not going to flip the generation but you want to win hardcore gamers trust as they usually lead the charge into new generations and drag their causal friends. I believe despite 360 leading most of last gen, Sony won back the hardcore late and it was at least a factor in their early gen momentum. Of course Mattrick threw a ton of gas on that fire.

I agree that there’s more than just performance for “best multiplats”. There’s older game enhancements, controllers and system features...all things Microsoft does well which hardcore gamers would eat up. Things like Elite Controller, LFG and demonstrations of enhancements of
older games could all be factors in where to buy multiplats.

 

[menace-uk-]

Even though i think Microsoft will have the more surprising show Sony is going to win because Sony always wins. Doesn't matter what happens. People will say Sony wins. They have the better presentation. The better games to show off and usually the better surprises. Microsoft just can't win E3 anymore. There's literally nothing they can do short of showing 3 new AAA IPs that knock the socks off everyone that would allow the internet to admit they won.

The real answer is the same as any year. The fans win. If you don't own all 3 consoles or at least a PC in place of the X1 then i don't know why you call yourself a gamer. I don't even think it's a snobby way to look at things at this point. They're all affordable, they all have amazing games to play. Some just deliver better than others, PS4 and Switch. Still though, if you don't own an X1 or a PC you're missing out on a lot. Voted Sony though because TD is the villain Union deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

LMAO and this stupid s***.

FYI: If you have to say ''it isn't a snobby way to look at things'' then it probably is.

 

[JinCA]

Hardcore are who Microsoft should be working on. Not going to flip the generation but you want to win hardcore gamers trust as they usually lead the charge into new generations and drag their causal friends. I believe despite 360 leading most of last gen, Sony won back the hardcore late and it was at least a factor in their early gen momentum. Of course Mattrick threw a ton of gas on that fire.

I agree that there’s more than just performance for “best multiplats”. There’s older game enhancements, controllers and system features...all things Microsoft does well which hardcore gamers would eat up. Things like Elite Controller, LFG and demonstrations of enhancements of
older games could all be factors in where to buy multiplats.

I think the hardcore xbox buyer is already all in on the current gen, if they want to grow they need to bring in more casuals now which is the hard part for them because a casual isn't going to spend $500 on an Xbox One X. While there are smaller numbers or core gamers like me who'll buy any new powerful console I don't think the One X is going to attract a lot of who already own a PS4/Pro.

The opportunity to spend $150 on a controller isn't going to do it, a limited number of enhanced old games probably isn't going to do it either (although the enhancements are nice) I'd also say as someone who owns both the One X and Pro that the One X has a clunkier UI, things move frustratingly slow at times, sharing is overly complicated compared to the PS4 (although they are working on fixing the twitter sharing) and while game pass is a good value on the surface it's really not worth it if there aren't any games in it that really appeal to you.

MS is in a strange place right now, they have the weakest entry level hardware and the strongest premium console, they have game pass which sounds good on paper but I think it's going to take time for it to build a library that makes it stand out as a must have service and they've shown a real lack of creativity and dedication when it comes to the most important part of any gaming console which is the games. I do hope they turn that around, I want healthy competition in the gaming industry, Sony and Nintendo really don't target the same audience and Nintendo isn't one that releases powerful hardware so I like it when Sony and MS are pushing each other and I hope that sometime in the next couple of years we get back to that.

 

[Mcmasters]

Frankly speaking, I think Xbox is doing quite a bit better than most on gaming forums know or even realize for that matter. In fact, I'm betting there's a stark difference between what arm chair devs and marketing gurus think, and what's actually happening within the Xbox gaming division.

People on the outside always make presumptions about what they don't truly understand. You don't know how many times I've had to correct executive producers, producers etc, about the demographics and target markets about productions aimed at that specific, directed audience. And I won't even go into people who know fuk all about how productions work to begin with - just watch them. Not to mention budgeting, marketing and distribution, points garnered above and below the line, and how well even the most terrible films do from a financial standpoint. Maybe not commercially, but monetarily -- absoulutely! Its two different worlds entirely.

This is why I mentioned that most devs probably read boards like these and laugh till the cows come home, or avoid them entirely.

 

[yankeessuck]

Frankly speaking, I think Xbox is doing quite a bit better than most on gaming forums know or even realize for that matter. In fact, I'm betting there's a stark difference between what arm chair devs and marketing gurus think, and what's actually happening within the Xbox gaming division.

People on the outside always make presumptions about what they don't truly understand. You don't know how many times I've had to correct executive producers, producers etc, about the demographics and target markets about productions aimed at that specific, directed audience. And I won't even go into people who know fuk all about how productions work to begin with - just watch them. Its two different worlds entirely.

This is why I mentioned that most devs probably read boards like these and laugh till the cows come home, or avoid them entirely.

Most people here and other forums think their first party has been poor but that it will get better and that they have done well in most other areas

Most people in the industry would probably agree

 

[OneBadMutha]

I think the hardcore xbox buyer is already all in on the current gen, if they want to grow they need to bring in more casuals now which is the hard part for them because a casual isn't going to spend $500 on an Xbox One X. While there are smaller numbers or core gamers like me who'll buy any new powerful console I don't think the One X is going to attract a lot of who already own a PS4/Pro.

The opportunity to spend $150 on a controller isn't going to do it, a limited number of enhanced old games probably isn't going to do it either (although the enhancements are nice) I'd also say as someone who owns both the One X and Pro that the One X has a clunkier UI, things move frustratingly slow at times, sharing is overly complicated compared to the PS4 (although they are working on fixing the twitter sharing) and while game pass is a good value on the surface it's really not worth it if there aren't any games in it that really appeal to you.

MS is in a strange place right now, they have the weakest entry level hardware and the strongest premium console, they have game pass which sounds good on paper but I think it's going to take time for it to build a library that makes it stand out as a must have service and they've shown a real lack of creativity and dedication when it comes to the most important part of any gaming console which is the games. I do hope they turn that around, I want healthy competition in the gaming industry, Sony and Nintendo really don't target the same audience and Nintendo isn't one that releases powerful hardware so I like it when Sony and MS are pushing each other and I hope that sometime in the next couple of years we get back to that.

The casuals will go where they can play Fortnite with their friends. The Xbox S is a good value for casuals...especially any of them with 360 game collections, who are getting into the gen late and want to try a lot of stuff (Game Pass) or who play sports games (EA Access).

Casuals aren’t going to buy an Xbox because they saw an early Fable teaser trailer.

Regardless of features for casuals, the pipeline to casuals is usually set at this point. They follow the enthusiasts. Winning the enthusiasts is key long term. In this day and age where enthusiasts gamers have as much or more influence than mainstream media, they are vital. Microsoft have given every sign that they’re playing the long game and enthusiasts are key to the long game. That’s why the X performance advantage, backwards compatibility enhancements and enthusiasts online features matter right now.

As a publisher, Microsoft is poorly managed. They’re trying to fix it but this year is continuing to reveal their issues run deep. Showing videos this E3 will do nothing to convince me or other enthusiasts that they are on the right track. Until they get far enough along to show results, all we can hope for is signs of learning and change. That’s why I’m happier with delays than more smoke and mirrors videos.

 

[Mcmasters]

Most people here and other forums think their first party has been poor but that it will get better and that they have done well in most other areas

Most people in the industry would probably agree

Or, maybe those titles that are all ready front and center are doing pretty damn great to begin with, regardless if there's new first party titles or no. No one outside of Microsoft has the real sales numbers of any or hardware, for that matter.

The Internet is full of drama queens and concern trolls who make mountains out of mole hills. Hyperbole is the order of the day, especially in the gaming realm. Most of the information gamers stumble on is usually s*** that's out of their realm of understanding anyway - unless they actually work within the gaming industry (no. Not arm chair devs, analysts or marketers. They don't count no matter how much they want to believe their own BS) So, even if there's rumblings of new IPs on the horizon, gamers don't know the full story, never will... Its really that simple.

And forum dwellers live in a bubble. It seems almost impossible for most of them to believe that they could be wrong (9 times out 10 they are) Although the gaming community is ridiculously large, they would still rather believe that their opinions are the ones that matter. That the entire industry is listening to them because they think they know video games, devs and publishers are entitled to make them happy. They aren't. Their only entitled to make the games that they themselves would want to play. Again, it is what it is..

The line between gaming and movies is blurred these days. The gaming industry is not too much different anymore than Hollywood. Only (and this is just my opinion and observation.. ) the gaming community is much more toxic, and childish. Speaking as a gamer, its embarrassing.

 

[yankeessuck]

Or, maybe those titles that are all ready front and center are doing pretty damn great to begin with, regardless if there's new first party titles or no. No one outside of Microsoft has the real sales numbers of any or hardware, for that matter.

When even Phil Spencer will admit their problems in that area then there really isn't much reason to stick your head in the sand

You have unfortunately taken the path of worshiping one console and so you are not capable of admitting any of its faults. Pointing out that their first party has been poor doesn't mean that every game is a POS and every Xbox owner is stupid for buying one.

 

[Mcmasters]

When even Phil Spencer will admit their problems in that area then there really isn't much reason to stick your head in the sand

You have unfortunately taken the path of worshiping one console and so you are not capable of admitting any of its faults. Pointing out that their first party has been poor doesn't mean that every game is a POS and every Xbox owner is stupid for buying one.

Genuinely, you've just proved my point. I work in motion pictures, bruh! I don't get to game half as much as you may think, not even close - I'm too busy working on productions, hiring crews, meetings, pay structures, creating new content for television and movies, traveling etc. I'm as casual as they come. The Xbox is my preferred platform, but its a luxury to me, a part of my lifestyle, like training or yoga. I'm not hardcore in the slightest! I just game to enjoy the experience. In truth, I haven't touched a video game in almost two months, itll be much longer than that with the stuff the studio is on right now. Too much happening.

So when you say, " You worship a plastic box.. " I laugh, or just avoid you entirely.

 

[yankeessuck]

Genuinely, you've just proved my point. I work in motion pictures, bruh! I don't get to game half as much as you may think - I'm too busy working on productions, hiring crews, meetings, pay structures, creating new content for television and movies, traveling etc. I'm as casual as they come. The Xbox is my preferred platform, but its a luxury to me, a part of my lifestyle, like training or yoga. I'm not hardcore in the slightest! I just game to enjoy the experience.

So when you say, " You worship a plastic box.. " I laugh, or just avoid you entirely.

 

[Kvally]

The media reception of Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 aren't helping the Xbox position at all I am afraid. At this rate, it might not be long before I switch my go to console. If E3 doesn't impress me, I don't have high hopes for the Xbox division regarding awesome games.

 

[Kvally]

I would hit that.

 

[menace-uk-]

Frankly speaking, I think Xbox is doing quite a bit better than most on gaming forums know or even realize for that matter. In fact, I'm betting there's a stark difference between what arm chair devs and marketing gurus think, and what's actually happening within the Xbox gaming division.

People on the outside always make presumptions about what they don't truly understand. You don't know how many times I've had to correct executive producers, producers etc, about the demographics and target markets about productions aimed at that specific, directed audience. And I won't even go into people who know fuk all about how productions work to begin with - just watch them. Not to mention budgeting, marketing and distribution, points garnered above and below the line, and how well even the most terrible films do from a financial standpoint. Maybe not commercially, but monetarily -- absoulutely! Its two different worlds entirely.

This is why I mentioned that most devs probably read boards like these and laugh till the cows come home, or avoid them entirely.

Depends what you mean by better.

The biggest criticism about Xbox is the state & lacking of first party games..specifically new IPs, and to be frank, it is undeniable. You can talk about production all you want, doesn't change the facts and isn't solving the issues.

 

[Rollins]

 

[Andy]

At this rate, it might not be long before I switch my go to console.

All right, who kidnapped Hedon?

 

[yankeessuck]

 

[JinCA]

Genuinely, you've just proved my point. I work in motion pictures, bruh! I don't get to game half as much as you may think, not even close - I'm too busy working on productions, hiring crews, meetings, pay structures, creating new content for television and movies, traveling etc. I'm as casual as they come. The Xbox is my preferred platform, but its a luxury to me, a part of my lifestyle, like training or yoga. I'm not hardcore in the slightest! I just game to enjoy the experience. In truth, I haven't touched a video game in almost two months, itll be much longer than that with the stuff the studio is on right now. Too much happening.

So when you say, " You worship a plastic box.. " I laugh, or just avoid you entirely.

For a guy so pressed for time you sure spend a lot of it here defending MS and attacking people who think it could be better, maybe spend some time with the box and you'll realize that people's concerns are legitimate.

 

[karmakid]

How many games scheduled for Q4 this year will run to next year in fear of Red Dead?

 

[Mcmasters]

For a guy so pressed for time you sure spend a lot of it here defending MS and attacking people who think it could be better, maybe spend some time with the box and you'll realize that people's concerns are legitimate.

Problem with you is, you spend too much time worrying about how other people spend theirs. Why not worry about your own. You aren't signing my checks are you? No offense, Jinca but, stay in your lane, bro.

 

[Andy]

Yeah, bro, Marty is a big Hollywood producer now. He ain't got no time for your nonsense about so-called "legitimate concerns."

Hey Marty, have your people call my people. We'll do brunch.

 

[Mcmasters]

Yeah, bro, Marty is a big Hollywood producer now. He ain't got no time for your nonsense about so-called "legitimate concerns."

Hey Marty, have your people call my people. We'll do brunch.

Awww. He's salty. That's cute.







.. .Shut up, Andy. And yeah, I'm pretty fuking awesome.

 

[JinCA]

Problem with you is, you spend too much time worrying about how other people spend theirs. Why not worry about your own. You aren't signing my checks are you? No offense, Jinca but, stay in your lane, bro.

I spent all of maybe 30 seconds "worrying about it" the time it took to read what you said and the time it took me to reply. Maybe if you spent more time actually being informed on the things you constantly comment on it wouldn't seem like such a struggle for you to get why people think MS could be doing better. Of course you are the one who was saying buying EA would be a good thing for MS so I guess I shouldn't really take much of what you say regarding gaming seriously. No offense though.

 

[yankeessuck]

Xbox first party is fine. Its better than ever!

 

[menace-uk-]

Splintercell.

But Division 2 is coming and that is all I care about. I just hope they don't do Bungie and do the exact opposite of what people asked for.

 

[Mcmasters]

I spent all of maybe 30 seconds "worrying about it" the time it took to read what you said and the time it took me to reply. Maybe if you spent more time actually being informed on the things you constantly comment on it wouldn't seem like such a struggle for you to get why people think MS could be doing better. Of course you are the one who was saying buying EA would be a good thing for MS so I guess I shouldn't really take much of what you say regarding gaming seriously. No offense though.

None taken...

 

[Frozpot]

Xbox first party is fine. Its better than ever!

 

[Rollins]

 

[Larry]

The media reception of Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 aren't helping the Xbox position at all I am afraid. At this rate, it might not be long before I switch my go to console. If E3 doesn't impress me, I don't have high hopes for the Xbox division regarding awesome games.

You don't mean that. Please don't say stuff like this.

 

[karmakid]

 

[JinCA]

Splintercell.

But Division 2 is coming and that is all I care about. I just hope they don't do Bungie and do the exact opposite of what people asked for.

I hope the game has more single player content than the first one did.