EDGE The power of the crowd: how critical and consumer feedback made Xbox One a contender again

Ketto posted the covers in response to people saying that EDGE was highly Sony biased, not because people were claiming they were moneyhated. EDGE articles are so full of sensationalism though that they are worthless reads, they end up just writing whatever will get them the most page clicks by the fanboys, this article included.
 
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XBoxNeo said:
Has anyone considered that the Microsoft haters were simply delusional, and the x1 was never really in any real jeopardy...
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Not to mention how many think the X1 is more a multi functional console with games playing second fiddle. Never really got my head around that. This also lead to people believing that X1 was "weak" as they began their reveal with TV functions. Somehow this translated into low expectations when concerning the X1 graphical fidelity.
 
Soldier Gryphon said:
When they released that whole "This is your next console" cover with the PS4, even many PlayStation fans considered that kind of unprofessional and sensationalist of them.
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Some how I highly doubt their reputation was affected at all. I'm willing to bet that issue was probably one of their higher selling issues.
 
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XBoxNeo said:
Has anyone considered that the Microsoft haters were simply delusional, and the x1 was never really in any real jeopardy...
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We already knew this after E3 considering all MS showed was core games/multiple new IPs at their conference, then won a ton of awards at the show, yet forward thinking policies and an extra $100 made all the headlines, LOL! All I can do is point to my avatar. ;)
 
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I surely have been guilty on jumping on the PS4 hypewagon early. It's still going to be an amazing system, as will the x1. Looking forward to owning both in the near future.
 
For me, it's not even about any kind of hypewagon or believing which system is better, for me, it just boils down to which one costs less for "my" needs. Almost everyone I know plays on the PS platform, so naturally, I'm going to play on that platform. I'd rather play on the xbox platform, but, you know....you play where your friends are at.
 
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For me, it's not even about any kind of hypewagon or believing which system is better, for me, it just boils down to which one costs less for "my" needs. Almost everyone I know plays on the PS platform, so naturally, I'm going to play on that platform. I'd rather play on the xbox platform, but, you know....you play where your friends are at.
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You're a victim to peer pressure!!
 
Z A C K said:
You're a victim to peer pressure!!
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Not really. No matter which one I get....it's pretty much to play multi-plat games, so in the end, it really doesn't matter to me which one I get.
 
I'm just too poor to buy both consoles at launch. As I don't care much about Kinect or paying extra I will hold on off on the X1 for now. That said, when I do buy it, and possible even Wii U once all the sweet exclusives come out for it, I'll be eating good.
 
Microsoft’s exclusives are more convincing than anything Sony has shown on PS4 to date.
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Edge pissing on their very own ''Why the PS4 has already won'' issue a few months back with that comment.

Proving once again it was all just for some extra attention.
 
The only thing that bothered me was when the MS rep (Harrison?) said, "We got clear feedback that some of the things we were proposing were perhaps a little too far into the future." That wasn't the feedback. The feedback was (and I'll give you the cleaned-up version), "Those policies are too restrictive. If you're going to do that, I'm out."

It makes me wonder if MS, in their staff meetings, are still aiming at the same target, and they tell themselves the earlier problems were because they were too forward-looking, too far ahead of the curve. If so, that makes me wary. I can give him the benefit of the doubt, though. Like a lot of guys doing PR, he's probably just trying to put a nice spin on company mistakes.
 
Anderson said:
The only thing that bothered me was when the MS rep (Harrison?) said, "We got clear feedback that some of the things we were proposing were perhaps a little too far into the future." That wasn't the feedback. The feedback was (and I'll give you the cleaned-up version), "Those policies are too restrictive. If you're going to do that, I'm out."

It makes me wonder if MS, in their staff meetings, are still aiming at the same target, and they tell themselves the earlier problems were because they were too forward-looking, too far ahead of the curve. If so, that makes me wary. I can give him the benefit of the doubt, though. Like a lot of guys doing PR, he's probably just trying to put a nice spin on company mistakes.
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They took a pot shot at used game sales and sharing of games. They got burned, pretty bad I think. With their games lineup and the superior capabilities of the x1 they should be way out in front of the PS4 by now, not the barely leading advantage they have.

I still think right outside of the launch window, say a year down the road, most of the games will be download only anyhow, with dramatically diminished physical releases. I think everyone in the industry now realizes that you can not launch download only games for full game price.

I also think Microsoft has looked at their customer base and realized that a lot of them are struggling to pay their cable bill each month. There is no way that they are going to seize up consoles without internet in that environment.
 
VaLLiancE said:
...and now they are giving XBO some praise and all is good right? LMAO..
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What are you talking about? All of the posts before yours pretty much knew everything was alright with xb1. Edge flip flops and you're LYAO @ who above your post in particular?
 
It's all about the games and that's why the Xbox One is the most anticipated console this Fall. Give me the exclusive goods and the third party support and i'm there. The Xbox brand has always delivered on that.
 
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VaLLiancE said:
and now they are giving XBO some praise and all is good right? LMAO.
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As long as everything is done before the sytem comes out. We can sit and be happy or cry on what they did before its not going to matter at the end of the release.

Remember this while everybody knows what is going with XBOX ONE but what have we really know about SONY?
 
Intellivision said:
I think for many PS4 gamers who pre-ordered a console back in the summer are in for a rude awakening. I bet many have pre-ordered and haven't/won't bother reading sites for updates for X1 and PS4. They made up their mind during the reveals and E3. Although any gamer with a DC or WD pre-order would have gotten news by now.

Over the past two months, the tides have turned in favour of X1 as MS has shown so much more, while Sony has basically still said nothing (still 3 weeks to go though). Not surprised one bit that X1 pre-orders are just as sold out as PS4. Have fun trying to find sites that offer them unless you are willing to buy a pre-canned store bundle where they force you to buy 2 games and an extra controller. And even that might be sold out.

I'm not surprised at the PS4 coming out of the gates fast. Sony always does that, while MS takes longer. Nintendo is the slowest and quietest as always. Whether it's Wii dominating or Wii U tanking, it's the same Nintendo. Call it lazy, call it unshaken, call it whatever. Nintendo hardly flinches.
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You are way too emotionally involved. That's how you get your feelings hurt lol.
 
Soldier Gryphon said:
Yes. Hence, "sensationalist".
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Understood that, my point was the idea that they made this article to salvage their reputation is based solely on hurt feelings from Xbox fans or people who didn't realize that Edge as a magazine has always had sensationalist articles, I in fact pointed this out in another thread. Unfortunately people are unable to look at things rationally sometimes and believe there's some agenda or everyone is out to get their favorite company.
 
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Ketto said:
Understood that, my point was the idea that they made this article to salvage their reputation is based solely on hurt feelings from Xbox fans or people who didn't realize that Edge as a magazine has always had sensationalist articles, I in fact pointed this out in another thread. Unfortunately people are unable to look at things rationally sometimes and believe there's some agenda or everyone is out to get their favorite company.
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Again, there are actual funded institutions with no object but to besmirch Microsoft. See Defective By Design, and Freedom Software Foundation. With high ranking officers in both those foundations are executive at Apple and Google (and probably some from Sony as well). It is not some wild out there conspiracy theory...
 
XBoxNeo said:
They took a pot shot at used game sales and sharing of games. They got burned, pretty bad I think. With their games lineup and the superior capabilities of the x1 they should be way out in front of the PS4 by now, not the barely leading advantage they have.
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Except that the notion that MS's proposed policies had anything whatsoever to do with used games is a fantasy concocted by the Neogaf crowd back in the spring. Basically they read that leaked document from the Spring which suggested the always online aspect of the Xbox One and through some twisted attempt at logic concluded that this was all an attempt to destroy used games and maybe slaughter puppies and kittens or something, I'm not sure. So when MS announced their always-online policies, they all shouted "Aha!" and pretty much didn't listen to anything else they had to say because they were too busy initiating Super Freakout Mode.

MS's policies never had anything to do with used games, except to the extent that they bent over backwards to try and shoehorn the ability to sell used games into a system which didn't really support it.

I still think right outside of the launch window, say a year down the road, most of the games will be download only anyhow, with dramatically diminished physical releases. I think everyone in the industry now realizes that you can not launch download only games for full game price.
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That's the future MS saw, and the future they were trying to prepare for. Why weigh down your console with the albatross of physical media when that quite clearly is not where the market is going to be in a few years. Basically all they were doing was switching from a physical market that also supports digital to a Digital market that also support physical. That's what Harrison meant, I think, when he talked about looking forward.

To be fair, even Sony knew this future was coming, that's why one of the first features they announced for the PS4 involved digital downloads. But then Sony has a lot invested in Bluray, hence it was always in their interests for us to keep buying blurays for as long as possible.
 
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KEM said:
Except that the notion that MS's proposed policies had anything whatsoever to do with used games is a fantasy concocted by the Neogaf crowd back in the spring. Basically they read that leaked document from the Spring which suggested the always online aspect of the Xbox One and through some twisted attempt at logic concluded that this was all an attempt to destroy used games and maybe slaughter puppies and kittens or something, I'm not sure. So when MS announced their always-online policies, they all shouted "Aha!" and pretty much didn't listen to anything else they had to say because they were too busy initiating Super Freakout Mode.

MS's policies never had anything to do with used games, except to the extent that they bent over backwards to try and shoehorn the ability to sell used games into a system which didn't really support it.

That's the future MS saw, and the future they were trying to prepare for. Why weigh down your console with the albatross of physical media when that quite clearly is not where the market is going to be in a few years. Basically all they were doing was switching from a physical market that also supports digital to a Digital market that also support physical. That's what Harrison meant, I think, when he talked about looking forward.

To be fair, even Sony knew this future was coming, that's why one of the first features they announced for the PS4 involved digital downloads. But then Sony has a lot invested in Bluray, hence it was always in their interests for us to keep buying blurays for as long as possible.
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Im a fan, but I can still call a spade a spade when I see it. Daily DRM checkins were BS. The X360 can manage to let me play my download only games without a daily check in. At the very least the X1 has to be able to let me play disk media without check in.
 
There is no deep significance to anything EDGE publishes. They are a popular periodical, that lives in the moment. They hold a finger to the wind of public opinion--at which they are particularly adept at gauging--and set sail in that direction. Instead of bereting them for what is mispercieved as a belated act of contrition, one should read them as a weathervane of the times. What I read in their latest missives is that we have reached the turn of the tide and the weight of public opinion has swung back in the XBox One's favor.
 
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That's how I read it, too. The first article made a sort of sense, back when PS4 was riding high. Now this article makes sense, as X1 has recovered most of its ground. They are being sensationalistic to generate hits/sales. Pretty standard game journalism stuff.
 
XBoxNeo said:
Again, there are actual funded institutions with no object but to besmirch Microsoft. See Defective By Design, and Freedom Software Foundation. With high ranking officers in both those foundations are executive at Apple and Google (and probably some from Sony as well). It is not some wild out there conspiracy theory...
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You mean the same Defective by Design that s***s on any company using DRM most recently Amazon over Kindle? Yea you're going to need to do a little better than that.
 
XBoxNeo said:
Im a fan, but I can still call a spade a spade when I see it. Daily DRM checkins were BS. The X360 can manage to let me play my download only games without a daily check in. At the very least the X1 has to be able to let me play disk media without check in.
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"BS" as in you don't like them or "BS" as in unnecessary? I don't really have anything to say about the former, that's your business. But you cannot reasonably argue that having access to your account is necessary, since that is that crux of the entire system. Your rights to access content is attached to your account, not to little pieces of plastic. This would have meant that as long as you had access to your account, you would have had access to your entire library. Also with the Family Share plan, your friends/family would have been able to access your content as well.

This is effectively the reverse of the current disc-based system in which ownership is effectively irrelevant, whoever possesses the disc that contains the content can access that content. Under the proposed system, the disc would have been rendered irrelevant while the owner of the content would have control over access to the content. The price of that level of control over your content is that the system has to have regular (not constant, but regular) access to your account.

That's why the proposed system would have been different from the current 360 system for digital content, because there would have been far more rights to be managed. That's also why you couldn't use the disc to access content, because the rights are not attached to the disc.

Of course this is all irrelevant since we will be stuck with physical media for the entirety of this generation. We will definitely see movement towards digital, of course. But we will never see a fully digital system this generation, aside from the Steam Box.
 
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