Game Lineup Comparisons v. 1.5

[menace-uk-]

We went about this all wrong Val.

Steam.

Steam is essentially a platform that's BC with "last gen" PC games. The majority of XBox360 games just so happened to be on Steam. Steam also just so happens to keep player count numbers for a multitude of games. Surely, if last gen 360 games were so important, we'd see a significant amount of players, playing games from 2007, or 2009 or whenever.

What do you think Steam tells us though?

NO ONE GIVES A s*** ABOUT OLD GAMES THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEATEN!

Case closed. Bring on the new s***.

You do realize that your system of choice is doing the same thing, right? only difference is they are making you pay for them, again. What do you think remasters are? not to mention that whole' rent last-gen games' service they do.

MS brought BC to Xbox One in order to gain new consumers. BC isn't really meant for those with an X1--although they can certainly benefit. It is meant for those who have yet to move to X1 from 360, and those who never owned an Xbox 360.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Free games- who doesn't like free games outside all of the other merits of BC. I have a feeling if the BC perks went the other way in the "war" there would be a ton of hootin and hollering on the other side. So over the next year gold members will get an additional 24 games free in addition to all the freebies as perks for new releases. The fact is while not a game changer BC is a massively consumer friendly initiative.

http://unionvgf.com/index.php?posts/440608/

 

[SpartanDawgX1]

Sony has a consumer friendly option too called PS Now. As Sony touted its great value, pay $20/mth subscription to stream PS3 games (or $180/yr if you do quarterly plans) or pay by the game from anywhere from $3 to $40 to "rent" a game. Great value. Some games let you pay $3 to play 4 hours, while some charge $40 to play it for 30 or 60 days.

MS has BC and EA Access ($5/mth or $30/yr). Sony has PS Now ($20/mth or $180/yr).

Within that context as similar solutions BC is a absurd value.

 

[TeKPhaN]

I think its a great addition, you can feel free to downplay as much as you want.

Nobody is doing it through passthrough because it introduces significant input lag. Also, I have my cabletv going through my hdmi passthru like any sane individual.

Input lag is being reported when playing BC.
Hooking cable/sat to Xbox is insane imo.

 

[TeKPhaN]

That's not Val. If anything, this might be Val when he admitted trading in his PS3 while keeping his 360.

/thread

 

[Intellivision]

You do realize that your system of choice is doing the same thing, right? only difference is they are making you pay for them, again.

Some other key differences. PS Now is a stream so lag is going to be an issue no matter what, while MS BC gaming has games fully installed. Also, streaming a PS Now has a time limit unless someone wants to keep paying fees to play another time session, or pays $20/mth to get unlimited streaming, in which they'd have to keep re-streaming the game every day they play.

Here's a good article about PS Now.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/14/playstation-now-interview/

 

[SpartanDawgX1]

http://unionvgf.com/index.php?posts/440608/

You are spinning you own comments. SPIN!!!!!!

 

[Intellivision]

Seriously. Its so clear what PS fanboys are doing. Its pretty sad, really. But, keep fighting the good fight. Just know that there are those of us out there that can see right through the bulls***. lol.

LOL. If resolution is so important, why even play consoles? Just get a PC and play at much better res, fidelity and frame rate. PC gamers were playing 1080p probably 5+ years ago. Maybe even 10 years ago. But hey, if all PS4 gamers have is a res advantage over X1, go for it. I'll take better games, online and controller of Xbox systems.

Then again, PS4 has its perks. No other console or PC has game features where your game pad or motion control wand glows pink, yellow or baby blue. So PS4 does have a leg up when comparing each platform's ability to morph into the rainbow. lol

 

[pravus]

Input lag is being reported when playing BC.
Hooking cable/sat to Xbox is insane imo.

"Significant input lag".

If there is input lag with BC, I absolutely didn't notice it with Geometry Wars.

Do you have a link with someone measuring it?

 

[Mcmasters]

These guys downplay every single feature, game, benefit etc when concerning Xbox One. Notice every item under scrutiny is something ps4 doesn't have. Coincidence? f*** no.

With that much envy, I'm surprised some of them haven't pitted the ps2 against the Xbox one. Lol. f***ing unreal.

 

[TeKPhaN]

"Significant input lag".

If there is input lag with BC, I absolutely didn't notice it with Geometry Wars.

Do you have a link with someone measuring it?

I'm surprised you said you didn't notice any lol

 

[TeKPhaN]

You are spinning you own comments. SPIN!!!!!!

I was showing pluses and minuses to BC

 

[Intellivision]

I'm surprised you said you didn't notice any lol

I've played GW on BC and it played great.

On the other hand, UC3 on PS Now is a disaster. The service has been kicking around for a year, it's Sony's flagship series and the game can't even sync QTEs right. On the other hand, a tiny $5 XBLA game that requires lightning quick speed runs great on BC which has only been around for a month.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/14/playstation-now-interview/

See, there was a brief moment when I was testing the streaming version of Uncharted 3where I thought to myself, "Hey, this is surprisingly pretty solid." The game-engine cutscene had some compression here and there, sure, but like when it appears in most Netflix movies, the artifacting wasn't enough to bother me. "It's actually working," I thought. Then the action kicked into gear. I had to start syncing button presses with onscreen prompts to defend myself from a crowd of British thugs and the game started to perform poorly. The lag wasn't so bad as to make the game unplayable, but the experience wasn't nearly as smooth as it would've been with the disc-based game on my PS3. In its PS Now incarnation, Uncharted had been robbed of some of its trademark cinematic flair. The streaming illusion had fallen to pieces. I was reminded that this was very much still a beta -- and just when PS Now was starting to win me over.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Wasting time mentioning now it's a disaster

 

[pravus]

I'm surprised you said you didn't notice any lol

Have you tried it yourself or do you have a link to it being measured and being different from 360?

 

[Intellivision]

Have you tried it yourself or do you have a link to it being measured and being different from 360?

How is he going to test out GW when his Xbox profile says he's never played any Geo War games?

 

[Bgamer90]

The fact remains, the easiest way for 360 owners to play 360 games over the past 2 years has been to keep their 360 plugged into their TV and boot it up whenever they please.

Of course... as it has been the only way to do so.

No one, especially those here (message board folk) are playing their 360 regularly. Let's not act like some force swept over the globe and snatched up everyones 360. People played their 360 and their game library to complete satisfaction. Going back to last gen games you've already played to contentment isn't fun.

A bit of a strange statement to make with the trend of remakes. Again, it's not just about what people played. Some have missed out on games too.

And the "no one" statement isn't true either. The 360 is still being played by many people as many people still haven't made the jump to current gen yet.

We'll see though. I'd bet anything that we get extremely underwhelming bumps in BC game numbers. There's just too many amazing games out right now and in the near future.

Again, games are games. We are currently in a tech world in which people expect the things they buy on older hardware to work on that hardware's successor (thanks to companies like Apple). While I definitely don't think people will play old games as much as new games (and never said that in the first place), I do think the feature will be used by many Xbox One owners as it's convenient and games from a good number of AAA series still haven't had a current gen entry yet.

 

[Bgamer90]

Spin spin spin! actually you are pretty hilarious

"You proved me wrong so I must cling on to the word spin again because I lack proper debate skills!"

YOU CAN PLAY YOUR 360 GAMES NOW..
But nobody is doing it lol Yet BC is a huge thing!

There's over 80 million 360 owners. The total userbase of the PS4 + Xbox One (combined) isn't half of that.

Nobody is playing 360 games? Haha, okay. Sure.

Oh and input lag is happening via BC games as well..uh oh un-spun.

Uhh... It wasn't a "spin" to begin with.

There are some issues with 360 games on Xbox One but ::GASP:: -- that's why it's currently in beta and not on every XB1 yet!

A good number of Xbox 360 games playing fine on the XB1 is still better than having each and every game experience lag due to a video output chain.

I am just pointing out how funny you guys are for making it bigger then it is...

I'm not making it bigger than it is. All I've simply stated were reasons as to why the feature's attractive to people.

What is ESPECIALLY funny is those who can play the XB 360 NOW via pass threw but DON'T and BRAG ABOUT BC!
lol

Because it's not the same? I don't see why that's so hard for you to understand.

Pass Through: Two systems on at the same time with one system's interface going over the other one, lag due to the video output chain, and playing games on the older 360 controller.
Xbox One BC: Play Xbox 360 games the same way you play Xbox One games (turn on and play).

I mean, this is getting pretty silly now.

 

[SpartanDawgX1]

It's outdated thinking. I fall for it a bit. A new gen starts and the routine is last gen is last gen so start over. It shouldn't be like that.....at least now. These boxes have come a long way. Long term I hope this sets the precedent for next Xbox to have BC also. If you feel games are like books there is something to be said for keeping them around. They are a art form. There is something to be said at even looking at 2600 games as a reminder. What games represented as a art form and expression then. That idea and belief transcends generations.

 

[menace-uk-]

It's outdated thinking. I fall for it a bit. A new gen starts and the routine is last gen is last gen so start over. It shouldn't be like that.....at least now. These boxes have come a long way. Long term I hope this sets the precedent for next Xbox to have BC also. If you feel games are like books there is something to be said for keeping them around. They are a art form. There is something to be said at even looking at 2600 games as a reminder. What games represented as a art form and expression then. That idea and belief transcends generations.

The problem in previous generations was the difference in hardware. They were highly customized and often worked very differently. As we move forward with this new type of business model it should be easier for BC to be a day one feature.

Personally, I think last-gen was Last-gen should stay in the past. I buy new hardware to play new games and new additions to older IPs.

 

[de3d1]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/65511579


Out of 546 votes, 65% of these ps4 owners polled wanted BC.

21% kept their ps3's so their vote is basically in agreement that last gen was important to them

Only a measly 5% agree with the retaliatory stance here at with the "out with the old, in with the new attitude"

Out of over 500 voters, over 85% of those gamers are saying the opposite of what is being said here. lol

 

[menace-uk-]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/65511579


Out of 546 votes, 65% of these ps4 owners polled wanted BC.

21% kept their ps3's so their vote is basically in agreement that last gen was important to them

Only a measly 5% agree with the retaliatory stance here at with the "out with the old, in with the new attitude"

Out of over 500 voters, over 85% of those gamers are saying the opposite of what is being said here. lol

I bet very few of that 65% have actually played a last-gen game since the new gen started.

Gamers always say they want stuff but shun it when it arrives. We want new IPs, but we are not buying them. We want BC, but now we want new games, etc.

 

[Registered User 1]

When I first got my PS2, the launch lineup was rather lackluster here, so having the BC and the chance to finish off games like Vagrant Hearts was awesome. Also, getting to keep buying games towards the end of the generation was great for a bit too.

Further into the generation I almost completely stopped doing it, as I felt the games were ugly by comparison.

I don't think there has been as much of a leap this generation, nor will there be the next. The gameplay holds up a lot better than it did in past generations.

Its a great transitional tool. When you buy a new console, its a massive outlay, so being able to download the games you never got around to can help add variety, after your 40th game of Fifa/CoD.

I haven't experienced PS Now, so I can't comment on it, but it sounds great in theory. Especially if you're playing turn based games.

I don't know if BC is going to take off, but I sure hope they expand the catalogue a lot.

 

[Qbert]

I think it means alot. COD isn't outselling all of MS shooters though, maybe with all the platforms ps3 PC etc, but not MS console like for like, that statement loses ground because you can't say it another way that it makes sense. If so, use another example that is similar. Sony had KZ, Haze, Resistance series. I think halo 3 nearly outsold all of them by itself, not the halo series, so I was downplaying it.

Just stating popularity is important. If you'll remember the Destiny thread a certain poster was hanging on to popularity of that brand, despites its lackluster review scores. Now popularity isn't important. lol Most probably don't know who I'm talking about, but I haven't forgot.

Halo3 is one game, and came out at a time when gamers were starving for a good shooter. After halo 3, halo sales and popularity have been on a decline.
Add to that, is the fact that the PS brand is more popular word wide, and in many countries, shooters are not as popular as here in the states.



I don't know people continue to cling on to halo 3's past glory. Halo sold great....fantastic, but not everyone is a halo fan. It's like, gamers could be out there buying more playstations, but Xbox fans continue muttering...."but, but...teh Halos".

 

[Qbert]

X1 still destroying PS4 on AAA exclusives?

Yep.

/thread.

PS4 still destroying XB1 in both sales and popularity (you know, the metrics that REALLY matter)?

Yep.

/thread

 

[Qbert]

These guys downplay every single feature, game, benefit etc when concerning Xbox One. Notice every item under scrutiny is something ps4 doesn't have. Coincidence? f*** no.

With that much envy, I'm surprised some of them haven't pitted the ps2 against the Xbox one. Lol. f***ing unreal.

And xbox gamers have downplayed PS4 sales, popularity and games. It's the circle of life.

BC is cool, I won't deny that...but most xbox fans still have their 360s, making the feature a neat feature...but it's not groundbreaking, hence why, when the feature came out....gamers still bought more PS4s.


It's not so much that it's being downplayed, but rather, xbox fans are over inflating it's worth.

 

[menace-uk-]

Halo3 is one game, and came out at a time when gamers were starving for a good shooter. After halo 3, halo sales and popularity have been on a decline.
Add to that, is the fact that the PS brand is more popular word wide, and in many countries, shooters are not as popular as here in the states.



I don't know people continue to cling on to halo 3's past glory. Halo sold great....fantastic, but not everyone is a halo fan. It's like, gamers could be out there buying more playstations, but Xbox fans continue muttering...."but, but...teh Halos".

Everybody keeps saying Halo sales are in decline, but I am not seeing it. Halo 4 & Reach sold roughly the same amount.

Yes, Halo 3 was the biggest selling, but a decline needs a continuous decent, and I am not seeing it.

 

[Qbert]

Everybody keeps saying Halo sales are in decline, but I am not seeing it. Halo 4 & Reach sold roughly the same amount.

Yes, Halo 3 was the biggest selling, but a decline needs a continuous decent, and I am not seeing it.

Halo 3 sold over 14.5 million

Halo Reach is tough to get accurate numbers. The best bet figures is from vg charts, at a tad bit less than 10 million. Thing with Halo Reach is that is sold big at launch, but dropped out of the top 20 best selling list within the first 2 weeks. Ouch.

Halo 4 sold a bit less than Reach, not a ton less.

Halo ODST didn't come close in sales to any of them.

And all other Halo games (the rehashes) did even worse.

Halo 5 is pre-selling less than CoD on XB1, and it's coming out sooner. I suspect sales will be great, but not stellar.



So yes, it is in a descent. Maybe not the dramatic descent that some make it out to be, but it is losing steam. Again, Halo 3 came out at a time when consoles were starving for good shooters, after CoD hit the scene, Halo's popularity started dropping quick. People were buying Halo, but not playing it the way they were playing CoD.



So again I say, Halo is just one franchise, and people keep clinging to that one thing as if it was the best thing ever.

 

[Plainview]

Everybody keeps saying Halo sales are in decline, but I am not seeing it. Halo 4 & Reach sold roughly the same amount.

Yes, Halo 3 was the biggest selling, but a decline needs a continuous decent, and I am not seeing it.

It's because of the juggernaut that Halo 3 was and people scream decline. What they fail to realize is that Halo 3 is the biggest selling console exclusive of all time not on a Nintendo or Sega console. It was an anomaly and people like to call back to it to say "OMG Haloz is not as popular anymore." Halo 4, and Reach, both outsold Halo 2.

 

[Qbert]

It's because of the juggernaut that Halo 3 was and people scream decline. What they fail to realize is that Halo 3 is the biggest selling console exclusive of all time not on a Nintendo or Sega console. It was an anomaly and people like to call back to it to say "OMG Haloz is not as popular anymore." Halo 4, and Reach, both outsold Halo 2.

Kinda like PS2 sales was an anomaly, so when PS3 sold great even at a high price point, people still claimed it was "an utter failure" simply because it didn't match PS2 sales.

Halo 3 was an anomaly in sales because there really wasn't serious competition at release (heck, CoD4 hadn't even released yet). PS2 was an anomaly, because there was no serious console competition either for many years.

PS3 selling well doesn't detract from how well the 360 did......and Halo selling well doesn't detract from PS games. It goes both ways. People cling to Halo stats the same way people cling to PS2 stats.