Game Lineup Comparisons, v. 1.6
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Do they need franchises as big as MS tent pole games? I dunno. Would you complain if they did?
RotTR is pretty evenly matched with UC. Maybe not full blown exclusive but Xbox gamers had it for a full year and enjoyed it.
The days of GT are pretty much done. We all know this. Painful as it might be...
MS and Sony are very different when it comes to tastes in games for their fanbase. Xbox is more mainstream, Western style - while Sony is more Japanese? But both try their hand at bringing something the other company does. Sometimes it works but not often.
And frankly Sony does need their own Gears, Forza and Halo. Why else are Sony gamers so open to buying Microsoft exclusives now on PC? It's kinda like, "as long as it's not on the Xbox, I'm in..."
Frankly Sony gamers have given up hope that Sony will ever develop anything as big as Halo, Forza and Gears. So naturally (to me anyway) it seems you guys have adjusted.
But hey, I'm not complaining. Next year when Scorpio arrives, I'm getting a Ps4 for cheap. Seems like the perfect time to snatch one up.
It's some voodoo s***... No worries.Yes, SFV needs to be added to the list. I don't think Until Dawn qualifies, though. It reviewed pretty well and wasn't hyped a lot, was hardly advertised by Sony at all. In fact, I remember lots of people being surprised that it was as good as it was and frustrated with Sony for not pushing it harder (but I think Sony knew it was a niche title and wouldn't be worth the advertising dollars).
Yes, Ryse belongs in that category. I haven't paid attention to the Forzas. Too many to keep track of, lol.
You're the best, TD. Sometimes you're a complete Xbox fanboy (or sound like one, anyhow, although we know it's an act). Sometimes you're a complete Sony pony. And then there are times you make the most fair, even-handed analysis possible and appreciate both sides equally. You go to war for one side, then for the other, and then you're the peacemaker. I'm pretty sure that the last type of statement represents your real opinion, but who knows.
I'm trying to figure out what that means...
I don't think Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, or Tomb Raider belong on the list. Again, I'm not talking about mediocre sales reception (SO, TR); I'm talking about mediocre critical reception -- games that are heavily hyped but then get lackluster reviews, usually accompanied by a mixed reception at best by gamers. All of those games got reviews above 80. Titanfall would be the closest example to what I'm thinking of, because of the massive hype surrounding that game, which was followed by a lot of criticism and a rather rapid falling-off of player counts (at least that's what I've been told, I don't pay attention). Still, it got good reviews (86), so that would disqualify it.
Neither company need answers to other popular franchises. But I wouldn't mind if they created them.
It's shocking that there still hasn't been a straight Zelda knock off.
It's shocking that there still hasn't been a straight Zelda knock off.
The Naughty Dog games are that big at this point but you said it was the "real question" and I don't see why that would be. Neither has franchises like Nintendo and it doesn't seem to be a problem.
A probable one time one year exclusive isn't really the same thing
They might be but no we don't know this. Forza isn't as popular as it once was either so the genre isn't as important.
That sounds like a pretty big generalization but it sounds more like "I have a gaming PC and I don't have to buy anything else so yay for me". Most people aren't diehard loyalists to any console brand.
How would you feel is I said "Xbox gamers have given up hope that Microsoft will ever develop anything as good as Uncharted"? I doubt you would agree with that statement. The reality is it doesn't matter if they have something as big as those games and thats assuming your statement was true and they didn't (it isn't).
I personally don't need an answer to Uncharted as Tomb Raider is awfully good. That's my genuine opinion on the subject.
We aren't talking about Nintendo bro. Just saying..
Forza not as popular? You're joking, right? Forza currently carries to torch for simulation drivers. It's currently the best Sim racer in the world - that's not as popular to you? I get if you personally don't care for it, but the Forza franchise is unrivaled. Think about that for a moment - - best Sim in the WORLD. You can't mention Sim racer without mentioning Forza.
I get confused as just because you don't like a certain platform, you deny the greats on another. Gears, Forza and Halo are iconic. Like Mario... And in half the time it took Mario to become an icon himself. It's okay for Nintendo but not Microsoft?
I did, but you misunderstood what I was saying about them. Yankee is right.
My point was about big-hyped games that got mediocre reviews.
Here's that list, afaic.
Sony:
- Drive Club
- The Order 1886
- Killzone: Shadow Fall
- No Man's Sky
- Street Fighter 5
Microsoft:
- Ryse
- Quantum Break
I guess you could argue the inclusion/exclusion of a game or two, but to me, it's pretty clear that Sony has had more big-hype games that have gotten mediocre reviews (often accompanied by mixed reactions from gamers).
Sounds like one of those situations where Nintendo conveniently doesn't count. Either having the biggest franchises is a big deal or it isn't. Can't have it both ways.
Yes its not as popular as it once was. That doesn't mean its bad or not popular and yes the biggest racing franchise is Gran Turismo. Now the argument is that that doesn't matter because Forza is better? A totally fair point but one that is very hypocritical. Is it about quality or sales?
Not sure what platform it is I don't like. Maybe we started to talk about the Ouya? If so you are right I don't like that platform. Sounds like you are projecting to me though. I am just pointing out that this world where Xbox has all these massive franchises and Sony doesn't isn't the world we live in.
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!
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...I mean Sunset Overdrive! The game is so cool, that after trying it for the first time, I had such a spring in my step that my friends assumed I'd had a champagne enema.
Awesome game is awesome. Go play it kids. It's got oldskool gaming leaking from every orifice, and voice overs from Samuel L Jackson, and we all know he is like Morgan Freeman on a skateboard.
(Also, did you guys hear that Morgan Freeman is dating his ex-wife's gramd-daughter?)
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...I mean Sunset Overdrive! The game is so cool, that after trying it for the first time, I had such a spring in my step that my friends assumed I'd had a champagne enema.
Awesome game is awesome. Go play it kids. It's got oldskool gaming leaking from every orifice, and voice overs from Samuel L Jackson, and we all know he is like Morgan Freeman on a skateboard.
(Also, did you guys hear that Morgan Freeman is dating his ex-wife's gramd-daughter?)
I think it shows that Sony is willing to take more risks, but realistically Kill zone(heavily funded sequel to a panned shooter), Drive club (slightly different drive-em up from a developer with a history for racers) and SFV (really, this game should have been perfect, given how many fighters they've made in the past...) all should have been safe, bankable bets.
Same goes for Ryse, but I guess I guess trying to salvage a kinect tech demo, and turn it into a AAA in time for launch was a big task. (I played the game on PC, and it sure is purely)
I never said Sony didn't have big games. In fact, just the opposite. Why did you choose to defend something that was never in question? I know why. I would just like to see if you yourself can acknowledge it. lol
I personally love Until Dawn, my favorite game on the PS4 so far. But with a review of 79 average, it wasn't up there though. But I tend to agree with you overall.
You said they don't have games as big as Forza, Gears, and Halo. This is not true.
The Titanfal Online community dropped pretty quickly despite it's sales. Considering iTiranfall is online only it's a Flop. Tomb Raider couldn't break a million in its first week. Sunset Overdrive struggles to hit a million. No matter how you spin it these games didn't meet expectations are a FLOP
Look at the AAA line up for this year and last year. on X1,
2016
Gears 4
Horizon
Deadrising 4 (timed exclusive)
Quantum Break
2015
Halo 5
Tomb Raider (timed exclusive)
Forza 5
Gears collection
The x1 is playing it safe.Don't see how anyone could argue differemtly.
You seem to be confused Microsoft are the ones playing catch up to Sony. The X1 hasn't had a successful franchise since Gears. Xbox gamers are close minded wichis why most X1 games are on PC. Sony has a diverse audience that's why more franchises are successful on Playstation. They also posses more talented and diverse studios. While you guys are constanly fondling Halo Gear and Forza ballz evey year the X1 is struggling to keep it's identity and stay revelant .
No reason to hate. Sony is dominating thus gen in sales and game library. Microsoft threw awrench in the consolewar just to compete Halo, Gears and Forza wasn't enough. Fact is Sony is in a better position than Microsoft.
You could add rules and stipulation but truth is X1 had just as many.
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Jesus Christ Zero-O. Generalize much?
You're talking about 10's of millions of individuals.
If you said that Microsoft's scope isn't as broad as Sony's, then ok, that's true. But to judge a whole (big ass group) of people based on games that they're not even getting is weird logic.
You're talking about 10's of millions of individuals.
If you said that Microsoft's scope isn't as broad as Sony's, then ok, that's true. But to judge a whole (big ass group) of people based on games that they're not even getting is weird logic.
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I can't even have a discussion with Zero. He interjects his emotions with his responses - mistaking fact and passion as the same thing. They are universes apart. You can tell by as many typos in his posts. f***it.
Link to the online community numbers.
Link from MS or Square Enix showing the official sales numbers.
Link from MS or Insomniac showing official sales numbers.
All your credibility (that you had remaining) is now gone here at Union.
Forza took the crown for sim racers. Not to say GT isnt a great sim racer for Sony, but lets be honest, Poly arent what they used to be. Im not sure what you mean by an answer to Gears. What title would that be? Genuine question...
Sony has great franchise games. That is my genuine opinion. Only, I cant say that we hear the same amount of complaining with UC, GoW, GT etc. Not even the same amount of complaining for Mario and Donkey Kong or Zelda -- they've been around damn near a half a century already.
MS hasnt been only about Gears, Forza and Halo for some time now. That is also genuine. There have been many others since that time. Only, the initial 3 are top tier and garner more attention than the others. Even iconic. When either one of MS top 3 are mentioned, the ripples are felt through out the industry. They truly are great games, despite what some may say.
You're having a different conversation than I am. Which is fine, but it's confusing when you reply to me, because my assumption is that you're listening to what I'm saying and responding to the actual question I've asked. If you want to talk about something else, go right ahead, but I'd prefer you leave me out of it. I was talking about something different.
It's true. Im an Xbox fanboy but I stay as honest as possible. Because I dont own the Ps4 doesnt mean I dont like what they bring to the table. I give props to Sony and their dev stable all the time. I dont troll the Sony threads...EVER. Whatchoo *snickering* 'bout, yo?
Gran Turismo is bigger but Forza is better. Which would you rather have?
I think the critique is more about an inability to establish new franchises or overuse of the ones they have and I have heard that complaint about Nintendo though. Whether its a valid critique is a different story.
As for Sony well look at E3. They showed God of War and some complained they changed too much and it barely seemed on God of War. Then there is Gears which is really the exact opposite and some complained that it was just more of the same. There is no right or wrong there but there is a very different mindset about how to handle their studios and franchises and obviously not everyone is going to approve.
I'd much prefer the "better" option. GT created a legacy but Poly isnt cutting it any more. You can't just fall off the map for years and expect people to just trust you again -- especially when another developer has been bringing their A-GAME ever since. Doesnt work that way. I agree GT has a legacy, but Forza took the torch long ago.
You cant just drastically change established [iconic] franchises as you destroy the core elements that made said game great to begin with. Sure. Gears some what looks familiar - but its supposed to. But there's enough differences to make a Gears 4 feasible. Same with Halo, same with Forza, same with GoW etc. Can you imagine the challenge/balancing act of having to create another iteration to a trusted franchise, and making decisions on what to keep, what to change and what to scrap?
I can kind of imagine though. I get told to cut s*** from movies/scripts by my agents/managers and exec producers that are super painful to do. Coalition (for this example) are working with an already established franchise - they want to bring more to the table - but they also dont want to alienate the established fanbase. Leave too many familiar elements in the new game, gamers bitch, "nothing's changed". Make too many changes and gamers bitch, "this is nothing like the Gears, Halo, Forza, GoW I remember, f*** this s*** right up main street!"
This has been happening for more than 10 years for many of the mentioned franchises we've spoken of already. I appreciate the hard work and hard decisions devs have to make to try and please gamers the world over.
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As long as the platform has a wide variety, who cares if they are first party or not? One can argue that MS doesn't do little niche titles, but those get covered by third party and indies. As I always say, your primary console will depend on which exclusives speak most, but the vast majority of games are available on both platforms. Playstation has the edge in Jrpgs. MS does in Shooters. I like having both so I don't miss out, but I definitely main on Xbox. That's mainly because it's the most comfortable for me.
Personally this is why I like what Sony has done with Uncharted by letting Naughty Dog move on. Have faith in your studios to be able to make the next big thing instead of just grinding out sequels until nobody cares anymore.
I dont believe MS could allow 343i, Turn 10 or Coalition to move on to other franchises and leave Halo, Forza or Gears behind. Sure, they can let them spread their wings on new Ip's while maintaining Halo, Forza and Gears as well. Love it or hate it, NO ONE wants to live in a world without those 3. Gamers everywhere would go ape s***. Let's not forget, Halo, Gears and Forza are also known for their multi player functions as well as SP. Legendary functions to be sure. That's not easy to do.
Take it easy on comments like that.
You know I love you, Marty, but you're one of the most emotional posters we have. Don't misunderstand -- most of the people here are engineering types, all buttoned up and logical, so it's fun to see somebody cut loose. I guess I was seeing a bit of the old "pot and the kettle."
Maybe you guys are long-lost brothers. I sense a story coming on ... They were separated as young children when their parents were killed in the great Console Wars. One child was adopted by the Xbots; the other by the Sonybots. One fateful day, many years later, they met on an internet forum, never suspecting the secret that bound them together. (Ok, I won't give up my day job.)
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