Next Iteration Gaming: Neo, NX, and Scorpio, v. 2

[Frozpot]

Here is an interesting Forbes article, but they too, alas, use the IHS data. 40 bucks he says for the the player.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ve-the-mistake-sony-had-to-make/#6309a99e39b9

I do find the idea that Sony may not have been ready with a player yet interesting. Sony being Sony and all.

Hey, it's just Forbes though. Not that I put a ton of credit with "journalists" now-a-days, but we don't have much to work with.

 

[TeKPhaN]

No. I never made that claim.

sure you did every time you claimed the Pro couldn't use extra memory for better textures/visual effects.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Irrelevant.

Then why did you say what you said?

 

[TeKPhaN]

So the fact that the One S has one and still makes a profit doesn't make you consider this at all, huh? There are definitely more powerful components needed to process an image 4x more dense with HDR coding and such. They also need to be able to stream and drive the Apps that come in those things. I would not be surprised at all if most of the cost comes from the computer components. The cost of manufacture can't be much more just for the reader. It's still Blu-Ray. A Console has that high level processing already, so that is already covered. Add 4-5x for mark up. Prices are inflated as well due to the Enthusiast status at this point. They will milk it as long as they can.

This is all conjecture. I'm not stating anything as fact.

The S has a low quality UHDBR missing important *COUGH* current sound codecs(did you think people upgraded for just better resolutions?) With the S still using cheap HDMI ports XB consoles suffer from that crush blacks.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Decent points

another winning post about a console you don't own....
yawn

 

[TeKPhaN]

I hate to break but there are a fair number of sources saying 4K is just a stepping stone and that 8K is right around the corner. There are actually 8K TV's out right now and a small amount of matching content.

Now with 4K players, consoles, and streaming I'm not sure that 4K is just going to disappear the way 1080i TV's did, but we all know the trouble with buying tech is that there is always something newer and better coming.

4K takes so much to run that we will be using it for years to come ESPECIALLY in the video game world...I wouldn't worry.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Correct you have to have some pretty potent Hardware to power those Standalone external players.

This sums it up pretty well .
Ultra HD Blu-ray players will integrate a lot of components already mass produced for Blu-ray players (e.g., optical drives, lasers, memory, various ICs), but will also include brand-new processors, therefore, do not expect them to be cheap. The new multimedia system-on-chips for UHD BD devices should not only support HEVC decoding with 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, but also handle high-dynamic range (HDR) with 10-bit colours as well as Rec. 2020 colour gamut in addition to new audio formats (DTX: X and Dolby Atmos). Such chips need a lot of processing horsepower and will not be affordable initially, but over time they will naturally get cheaper. Moreover, producers of electronics want consumers to buy their players, not prefer solutions from Apple or Amazon. Hence, they are interested in making Ultra HD Bly-ray players more affordable.

My SamSuck UHDBR player uses a 8 core CPU with a cooling fan.
TRUE 4K requires power.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Perhaps I am confused as to what you are refferring? I thought you were saying the original reboot looked just as good as Rise, and to that I say it's laughable. I don't care what res you are playing at. The tech is far better is Rise. Sorry for your eye condition.

The tech is almost identical with both made for last gen and this gen.
Hence ROT looking slightly better.
We don't want HQ screens of both posted now do we?

 

[Rollins]

another winning post about a console you don't own....
yawn

Yes, because so many people own those consoles right now. And because I wrote that article.

Makes sense. Next time I'll break out the sock puppets so you can understand better.

Go ahead...considering your logic and general lack of grammar and spelling ability, I'm waiting for you to fall back on the 'I know you are but what am I' arguments.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Yes, because so many people own those consoles right now. And because I wrote that article.

Makes sense. Next time I'll break out the sock puppets so you can understand better.

Go ahead...considering your logic and general lack of grammar and spelling ability, I'm waiting for you to fall back on the 'I know you are but what am I' arguments.

3 years in and no current PS console eh.
That plastic love

 

[Frozpot]

The tech is almost identical with both made for last gen and this gen.
Hence ROT looking slightly better.
We don't want HQ screens of both posted now do we?

Thanks for proving your ignorance. 2013 doesn't even use pbr, dude. But hey, I get it, it was once an xbox exclusive so you will downplay it till you die.

The S has a low quality UHDBR missing important *COUGH* current sound codecs(did you think people upgraded for just better resolutions?) With the S still using cheap HDMI ports XB consoles suffer from that crush blacks.

You are trying too hard. You reek of insecurity.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Thanks for proving your ignorance. 2013 doesn't even use pbr, dude. But hey, I get it, it was once an xbox exclusive so you will downplay it till you die.


You are trying too hard. You reek of insecurity.

OT response eh? How did it being a timed XB title work out for it?

I didn't downplay it..I said that they look almost identical..because they do.
I also said ROT looked better,just not dramatically.

I said the facts about the cheap XBO S(non game play helping drive)

 

[BDaddyK]

The S has a low quality UHDBR missing important *COUGH* current sound codecs(did you think people upgraded for just better resolutions?) With the S still using cheap HDMI ports XB consoles suffer from that crush blacks.

WTH are cheap HDMI ports? I guess MS dropped the ball not having Monster make them quality ports...

 

[TeKPhaN]

I wouldn't think that


WTH are cheap HDMI ports? I guess MS dropped the ball not having Monster make them quality ports...

XBO S still suffers from crushed blacks

 

[BDaddyK]

XBO S still suffers from crushed blacks

Damn those cheap ports!

 

[TeKPhaN]

Damn those cheap ports!

Its a problem with every Xbox console.

 

[Intellivision]

Its a problem with every Xbox console.

They're possibly cheap.

But somehow the system can still do 4k/HDR, while PS4 Slim has archaic HDMI 1.4 ports.... something that came out in 2009.

But don't worry. Considering Sony's track record of releasing systems fast, a PS4 Pro Pro system may come next year with an UHD drive.

And then in 2018, PS5 if the rumour is true.

 

[Kassen]

Sorry, hit my give-a-s*** threshold. This isn't a topic I care much about, and am only still talking about it because you keep bringing it up. I poked around on Google, and that's what I found. What's yours? Do YOU know where to find better info?

"Hit my threshold?" That's your fault then. You aren't providing any valid reason to believe Blu-ray manufacturers are making a 97% profit margin off these disc players. Nike has no relevance, and the overpriced iPhones have a 67% profit margin, very different from 97%. After you feel you can't argue the Blu-ray players are dirt cheap to make, you say the other components jack the price up, even those many of the same components are in standards Blu-ray players that only sell for a $100. Then you state the Xbox One S is for a fact sold at a profit. But you scour the internet as hard as you could, could not find a single link for something you claimed as fact, so then you literally repost the one exact article provided by Entreri804 just on the last page. And it is the only article in existence with no peers confirming their findings. So honestly why are you mad at me like somehow your reasoning isn't very flawed?

But did you know the Blu-ray drive alone in the PS3 caused price of the console to go up by over $200 and Sony still hemorrhaged money like crazy? One would think in the face of that that one would not instantly believe that next gen disc technologies are dirt cheap and certainly not believe electronic manufacturers follow Nike's example and price gouge consumers all because a lone rogue article says so.

 

[Frozpot]

"Hit my threshold?" That's your fault then. You aren't providing any valid reason to believe Blu-ray manufacturers are making a 97% profit margin off these disc players. Nike has no relevance, and the overpriced iPhones have a 67% profit margin, very different from 97%. After you feel you can't argue the Blu-ray players are dirt cheap to make, you say the other components jack the price up, even those many of the same components are in standards Blu-ray players that only sell for a $100. Then you state the Xbox One S is for a fact sold at a profit. But you scour the internet as hard as you could, could not find a single link for something you claimed as fact, so then you literally repost the one exact article provided by Entreri804 just on the last page. And it is the only article in existence with no peers confirming their findings. So honestly why are you mad at me like somehow your reasoning isn't very flawed?

But did you know the Blu-ray drive alone in the PS3 caused price of the console to go up by over $200 and Sony still hemorrhaged money like crazy? One would think in the face of that that one would not instantly believe that next gen disc technologies are dirt cheap and certainly not believe electronic manufacturers follow Nike's example and price gouge consumers all because a lone rogue article says so.

Please. So by your logic, microsoft must be taking like a two hundred dollar hit be One S? Bulls***. Orders of magnitude layers of bulls***. The one S costs the same as the PS4 SLIM. That Should tell you plenty. I did not scour the internet. More like lost interest after about five minutes, but it seems as though that's more than you put in. You seem pretty invested in my CONJECTURE.

And guess what? That artcle and the Forbes article both cited similar numbers (same source I guess?). Couple that with some thought and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Also, saying it takes the same processing to run 4k players as regular blu ray players doesn't pass the smell test either.

It just seems like you want to argue.

 

[Kassen]

Please. So by your logic, microsoft must be taking like a two hundred dollar hit be One S? Bulls***. Orders of magnitude layers of bulls***. The one S costs the same as the PS4 SLIM. That Should tell you plenty. I did not scour the internet. More like lost interest after about five minutes, but it seems as though that's more than you put in. You seem pretty invested in my CONJECTURE.

And guess what? That artcle and the Forbes article both cited similar numbers (same source I guess?). Couple that with some thought and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Also, saying it takes the same processing to run 4k players as regular blu ray players doesn't pass the smell test either.

It just seems like you want to argue.

I never implied the Xbox One S was taking a two hundred dollar hit, but it comforts me to see you rush to claim otherwise. It's not that you have to do this, but I'd rather prefer you had attacked what I actually said. Where is the Forbes article tho? If they too broke down the console and discerned the costs of the hardware, why aren't you posting the link?

 

[Mcmasters]

Yes, because so many people own those consoles right now. And because I wrote that article.

Makes sense. Next time I'll break out the sock puppets so you can understand better.

Go ahead...considering your logic and general lack of grammar and spelling ability, I'm waiting for you to fall back on the 'I know you are but what am I' arguments.

 

[Frozpot]

You must have missed it in your rush to respond.

I never implied the Xbox One S was taking a two hundred dollar hit, but it comforts me to see you rush to claim otherwise. It's not that you have to do this, but I'd rather prefer you had attacked what I actually said. Where is the Forbes article tho? If they too broke down the console and discerned the costs of the hardware, why aren't you posting the link?

Here is an interesting Forbes article, but they too, alas, use the IHS data. 40 bucks he says for the the player.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ve-the-mistake-sony-had-to-make/#6309a99e39b9

I do find the idea that Sony may not have been ready with a player yet interesting. Sony being Sony and all.

Hey, it's just Forbes though. Not that I put a ton of credit with "journalists" now-a-days, but we don't have much to work with.

I was still trying to keep it civil.

But no. It doesn't break it down. It IS an interesting article with a different supposition on why Sony didn't include the drive. You may not want to read it though. It doesn't echo whatever you made your mind up about.

 

[Kassen]

no. It doesn't break it down. It IS an interesting article with a different supposition on why Sony didn't include the drive. You may not want to read it though. It doesn't echo whatever you made your mind up about.

He just references IHS Markit's article just as everyone else is. That's it. So no peer review is possible to fact check the one source that exists.

 

[Flynn]

You seemed to care about sales at the start of the gen. Wonder what happened

I always care about sales - unless it's irrelevant to the thread. That's what changed.

I'd love to see us doing better with sales world wide, but Sony's done a great job selling a lot of consoles, and they should be commended for that, but it's entirely irrelevant to this thread.

Next.

 

[Flynn]

Then why did you say what you said?

Because what I said is true.

PS4 pro has the same amount of memory as the PS4 vanilla. That means no improvements to textures... But it doesn't ONLY mean "upresing" either.

PS4 pro can improve frame rate, resolution, post processing effects, geometric detail, and many other things - but it cannot improve texture resolution, because it has the same memory constraints as a PS4 vanilla.

 

[Flynn]

sure you did every time you claimed the Pro couldn't use extra memory for better textures/visual effects.

False.

I stated the fact that PS4pro doesn't have any more memory than PS4 vanilla, so it's impossible for it to offer better textures in games.

That has nothing to do with other rendering/image fidelity improvements, which PS4 pro can obviously obtain over PS4 vanilla.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Because what I said is true.

PS4 pro has the same amount of memory as the PS4 vanilla. That means no improvements to textures... But it doesn't ONLY mean "upresing" either.

PS4 pro can improve frame rate, resolution, post processing effects, geometric detail, and many other things - but it cannot improve texture resolution, because it has the same memory constraints as a PS4 vanilla.

you said...... "Sony has now made two mistakes with regards to media; it was a mistake to include Blu-ray in PS3 (lost them millions), and it was a mistake to not include UHD in PS4 and the Pro (it will cost them plenty in sales)."

I said Pro will outsell scorp

you said irrelevant

 

[TeKPhaN]

False.

I stated the fact that PS4pro doesn't have any more memory than PS4 vanilla, so it's impossible for it to offer better textures in games.

That has nothing to do with other rendering/image fidelity improvements, which PS4 pro can obviously obtain over PS4 vanilla.

This is false Pro does have more memory allocated for devs than the normal p4.
I suggest you research b4 responding....
Even without extra memory for devs...they can and will in SOME cases increase texture quality/resolution.

 

[Kvally]

Sorry, hit my give-a-s*** threshold. This isn't a topic I care much about, and am only still talking about it because you keep bringing it up. I poked around on Google, and that's what I found. What's yours? Do YOU know where to find better info?

You provided a source backing up your claim. Now the onus is on him to provide a source that the Xbox is losing money.

The S has a low quality UHDBR .

Low quality? Did you build it?

 

[Registered User 1]

another winning post about a console you don't own....
yawn

...you don't own an Xbox though, do you?

And does the Pro support Atmosphere and stuff? I never actually read up on sound details. I destroy my sound quality with some big fat bass.