No DD 5.1 support with X1 optical port?

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Or take my peculiar AV setup: I like to play games and watch movies with an Astro surround-sound headset, which decodes Dolby 5.1 audio from an optical input cable. However, the Xbox One is currently only able to output stereo and DTS Digital through its optical output. My headphone receiver can't read DTS Digital, so I have to output in stereo, and my surround headphones turn into regular old headphones. I've been asking Microsoft for the last week if they intend to add Dolby output to the optical audio port in the near future (it's an option for HDMI output), but haven't gotten a solid answer on whether a fix is coming.
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But if your tv supports it/and has a optical jack with DD 5.1 pass through....you can just hook up to that instead.
 
That is exactly how i got my gaming setup. Always using my Astro 40s. How the hell doesn't this work? Very odd. Hopefully it does when it launches in my country.
 
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That is weird for 2 reasons...

1) Why would ms drop DD through optical?
2) why are the headphones only DD? It should be an either or like with receivers. Those headphones are the bottleneck then no?

I know the system is designed heavily to control everything via hdmi. In the settings menu you input yout TV and receiver makes and model numbers. By saying "Xbox on" the entire system can turn on tv, receiver, xbox... Can't do that with optical either though. If your into this sort of control being given to something ms? It maybe a big step for some as we've seen as well?
 
If they don't add this i am in a world of trouble, i can tell you that. The f***ing 360 has this, it MUST be added. My projector has no optical output. So i'd have to wait until i finally buy a PS4 and do it via that. But that would be ridiculous, cause you need to have two consoles on then.
 
use your tv if possible?

The XBO has great sound capabilities...It be a good time to get one of these DD TrueHD/DTS HD MA capable receivers ..especially those who are new to Bluray watching and are going to start buying BR's.
 
VaLLiancE said:
They been starting to fade out DD through optical...I am surprised these consoles even have it(Wii U doesn't even have a port)
Can you just use a tv?
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I don't have a tv anymore, i'm using a projector and it doesn't have optical. Good lord...so i'd need to buy a receiver just to get my Astro's working for real surround because DD isn't supported? Wtf man.
 
Yeah man, i ain't going to lie. This has me very very gutted. So much good footage of how fast the Xbox One is with the snap feature and voice commands, but that enjoyment is being ruined by this news. It's a real problem for me. I choose headphones for gaming so that i can have the volume as loud as i want without bothering neighbors with it, so speakers is not an option for me. And now we get this nonsense..HOW can it do DTS but not DD 5.1?????
 
MosquitoSmasher said:
Yeah man, i ain't going to lie. This has me very very gutted. So much good footage of how fast the Xbox One is with the snap feature and voice commands, but that enjoyment is being ruined by this news. It's a real problem for me. I choose headphones for gaming so that i can have the volume as loud as i want without bothering neighbors with it, so speakers is not an option for me. And now we get this nonsense..HOW can it do DTS but not DD 5.1?????
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You are going to go deaf. This is a good time to stop using headphones at high volumes. That's my protip brother.
 
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MosquitoSmasher said:
HOW can it do DTS but not DD 5.1?????
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Like Cutting said HDMI to TV, TV optical out to headphones problem solved.
Glass half full side asks... "How can the headphones only do DD 5.1 and not DTS?"
Yeah I know it sucks though but hey new headphones maybe the cheaper fix and put yours on the Craiglist. Plus you get 7.1 via hdmi are there headphone out with 7.1?
 
jimmyD said:
Like Cutting said HDMI to TV, TV optical out to headphones problem solved.
Glass half full side asks... "How can the headphones only do DD 5.1 and not DTS?"
Yeah I know it sucks though but hey new headphones maybe the cheaper fix and put yours on the Craiglist. Plus you get 7.1 via hdmi are there headphone out with 7.1?
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It can work. I had forgotten that i got a AV surround receiver here that supports DTS. The problem is going to be how i am going to hook it up. The Astro headphones have their own receiver and it uses USB too. USB that i can't put in the big receiver. Really going to need some help with that. These headphones were 250 euro, i am not going to get rid of these just like that. They provide an amazing sound experience and after paying 499 plus games next year...i can't afford anymore for new headphones.
 
MosquitoSmasher said:
It can work. I had forgotten that i got a AV surround receiver here that supports DTS. The problem is going to be how i am going to hook it up. The Astro headphones have their own receiver and it uses USB too. USB that i can't put in the big receiver. Really going to need some help with that. These headphones were 250 euro, i am not going to get rid of these just like that. They provide an amazing sound experience and after paying 499 plus games next year...i can't afford anymore for new headphones.
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Wow, that is expensive for headphones with only DD only legacy optical. Check the Astro site for work arounds that USB maybe available for firmware updates as well? I'm thinking a patch from MS for this will happen. Optical does 5.1 compressed or 2 channel uncompressed. Recievers can simulate surround from 2 channels maybe the headphones can as well? I understand it isn't the same thing.

"HDMI vs. Optical
HDMI (high-definition multimedia interface) transmits an uncompressed 1080p video signal and up to eight channels of digital audio [source: Derene]. Optical cable interfaces can handle digital audio 6.1 and 7.1 but their smaller data-transfer rate (20-125 megabits per second compared to HDMI's 10.2 gigabits per second) means they can only transmit compressed audio, such as Dolby Digital, DTS or two-channel PCM. HDMI, conversely, can deliver uncompressed Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA signals"

So xb1 via optical is only providing 2/3 features it can do? 2 channel PCM and DTS...
 
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It can work. I had forgotten that i got a AV surround receiver here that supports DTS. The problem is going to be how i am going to hook it up. The Astro headphones have their own receiver and it uses USB too. USB that i can't put in the big receiver. Really going to need some help with that. These headphones were 250 euro, i am not going to get rid of these just like that. They provide an amazing sound experience and after paying 499 plus games next year...i can't afford anymore for new headphones.
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Maybe a USB power pack that u normally use on a cellphone will work?
 
It WILL work with the receiver, i was just being a total idiot about things. I don't need an USB cable to power the receiver when it's already powered by a normal power cable, LOL. I just tried it out on my PS3, cause it supports DTS. I connected the headphones to the receiver, put an optical cable in the PS3 and in the back of the receiver and it works fantastically well. Maybe actually better than the little receiver Astro provided with it. But then...this is a Yamaha AV surround receiver.

Question for people with some decent audio knowledge. When a receiver offers a 'Straight DTS' and 'Surround decode DTS' option, surely Straight DTS is the one to go for right?
 
This is terrible news for me as well. With how Popular Astros are, it shocks me no one at Microsoft thought of this.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you have HDMI on your receiver you have optical out on your receiver. If you have HDMI in on your TV you've got to have optical out as well. Annoying but it shouldn't really affect anything but where you put the base, right?
 
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The way I understand it, not every TV allows you to get 5.1 from the optical on things that are plugged in through the hdmi.
 
confused by all of this? will my turtle beach x11's with the Ear Force DSS 7.1 surround sound processor work with the xbox one? i believe the mic wont but the sound should correct?
 
A very strange feature to be missing.

But your TV MIGHT have you covered. Might not though.. as others have mentioned, lots of TV's don't pass 5.1 along to optical via HDMI, they only do it for non-HDMI sources (mainly an OTA HD antenna.)
 
I expect Microsoft to patch this. All DD 5.1/7.1 headphones would then be gimped including the ones coming out early next year from Polk/Turtle Beach, etc.
 
Tentonhammer said:
I expect Microsoft to patch this. All DD 5.1/7.1 headphones would then be gimped including the ones coming out early next year from Polk/Turtle Beach, etc.
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Those function differently and get their 5.1/7.1 directly from the controllers audio port IIRC.
 
Hmmm....if they don't patch this, they are right f*cking a ton of people who have investment in DD equipment. My soundbar ($600) does not do DTS and neither does my Turtle Beach PX500s($250).....Grrrrr. Hope to hear comment soon.
 
Using an External Device

If the source of the Audio comes from an external device, such as a BluRay player or Cable/Satellite Box, the TV does not pass the 5.1 Channel signal using the optical port.

The connection must be a direct audio connection from the external device to the home theater system.


GG on LG tv's.



Wait so it will do DTS over optical? I know my receiver supports DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio. Does that mean I'm fine?
 
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So let me get this straight.

Xbox One games are in DTS?

I have an older receiver with no HDMI inputs, so I have to use optical for 5.1, but my receiver does DTS of coarse so no big deal with games. But if I want to watch a movie on Netflix and it's not in DTS then I'm stuck with stereo?

Or what if a BluRay I want to watch doesn't have DTS?

I don't know, just seems really lame if the optical doesn't support Dolby Digital. I assume it's a case of MS trying to save every penny they can by having less licenses to pay?

Like seriously.....optical cable jack is there, doesn't do DD......da f***?
 
Zer0beaT said:
So let me get this straight.

Xbox One games are in DTS?

I have an older receiver with no HDMI inputs, so I have to use optical for 5.1, but my receiver does DTS of coarse so no big deal with games. But if I want to watch a movie on Netflix and it's not in DTS then I'm stuck with stereo?

Or what if a BluRay I want to watch doesn't have DTS?

I don't know, just seems really lame if the optical doesn't support Dolby Digital. I assume it's a case of MS trying to save every penny they can by having less licenses to pay?

Like seriously.....optical cable jack is there, doesn't do DD......da f***?
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I might be wrong but isn't it a Bluray requirement to have both DD and DTS?
 
Hissatsu said:
Wait so it will do DTS over optical? I know my receiver supports DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio. Does that mean I'm fine?
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Those are both the cream of each crop. I'd love for games to use this but doubt they will as they're the uncompressed master sample from recording to your speakers. They take up the most amount of room audio wise on the disc. I don't know how they can top these formats in the future. If your receiver has these you have next gen and the gen after covered.

Now then in the settings can you decide how you want the audio to get to the receiver format wise? Or does the game/dev decide how it is encoded still? Do we have a picture of the back of a game.
 
Edit... shouldnt be a problem if you have an AV setup, as most of them will decode.

This is also listed on Astro Website:

"Xbox One: Earlier in October Microsoft announced that the chat adapter required to make all existing Xbox 360 headsets Xbox One compatible will not be released until early 2014. This means that all current ASTRO products will be able to take full advantage of Dolby® Digital 7.1 Surround Sound for game audio, movies, and music, but online voice chat will not function until the chat adapter releases in early 2014. While not ideal, the Kinect mic or Xbox Live Communicator can be used to broadcast your voice online in conjunction with ASTRO products in the interim. ASTRO is a licensed Xbox One partner and we are working with Microsoft on improved solutions for release in 2014."

Now, I dont know what the adapter is all about, but unless you are using HDMI you genearlly cannot get true 7.1 over optical without it being some sort of matrix mix.
 
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