Seriously, all consoles did well. X took second with a $500 piece of hardware. That's pretty impressive. I don't believe anyone thought Microsoft would take the lead with the price of the X. I sure didn't. I knew / know it will do well however.
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Like that couldn't be said for both companies, how's Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves? those were announced in 2014 and 2015 yet still aren't outboth console makers have had an issue with that, I don't understand why so many put this on Sony when MS has been just as guilty this gen as well. I know that's not what you meant but it's just something that cracks me up this gen.
I do think exclusives matter when it comes to sales but it's not the only thing that matters, pricing and timing of releases/discounts matter as well. The PS4 has had more exclusives this year and their sales advantage over the X1 in the US grew, they didn't have a pricing advantage after MS dropped the Kinect, they just stayed competitive in that regard.
You are right about the PS4 dominating from day one, yeah they did have a price advantage for a few months but MS's bungling and lack of any real vision when it comes to gaming didn't help their cause. Sony had the better hardware at a better price and better messaging, they learned from their PS3 mistakes while MS seemed to repeat them at the start of this gen.
I think many forget MS still has a limited appeal on a global scale, if you take out NA and the UK they don't do well at all in most other markets, Sony does well in just about every region in the world and the PlayStation name is just more globally appealing than Xbox. MS is going to have an uphill battle, that doesn't mean they can't be successful of course it just means they'll likely never have the top selling console in the world.
It wasn't a dig at Playstation.
Ofcourse they aren't the only factor, but they are the big one. Everything ultimately is about software.
I don't agree on Xbox having limited appeal. The 360 sold around 100 million last gen, pretty much the same as the PS3. That doesn't seem all that limited to me.
Ubisoft must be well happy about For Honour.
I take it these are America only, which is why FIFA isn't listed.
The 360 sold well under 100 million, it was more like 84-85 million, you can round 95 up to 100 but not 85
also that was a 7 year generation before a replacement console game out, it had a year on the market with no direct generational competitor, had a huge price advantage for quite a while and Sony f'd up about as much as you can with the PS3 at launch.Not just that but still the 360 really only sold well in North America and the UK, it dominated in those markets while Sony struggled and still even with a year less on the market, an awful launch, never having a price advantage and struggling in the 2 biggest markets compared to their past successes the PS3 still caught up to and slightly passed the 360 because they had appeal in markets beyond NA and the UK. This gen sort of proves that if MS doesn't dominate NA and the UK they aren't going to make it up in other places.
As far as the comment not being a dig at Sony I know, that's why I said I know that's not what you meant
I just threw that in there because that narrative has sort of caught on in the last year or two all while MS has been just as guilty of announcing games too early and for some reason they get a pass.
Numbers for the Xbox 1X (f/John Harker at resetera, who apparently "knows things"):
"Xbox One X sold over 65% higher than PS4 pro did, in just over a week doing over 430k units is impressive as I see it, given the price point."
Which means that Xbox S would have been between 867K and 1.08 million.
And that means that somewhere between 33% and 37% of total Xbox sales were 1X's.
(NPD, Nov.)
Very good result for 1X.
"Xbox One X sold over 65% higher than PS4 pro did, in just over a week doing over 430k units is impressive as I see it, given the price point."
Which means that Xbox S would have been between 867K and 1.08 million.
And that means that somewhere between 33% and 37% of total Xbox sales were 1X's.
(NPD, Nov.)
Very good result for 1X.
Not really surprising, the PS4 was already the most powerful console when the Pro came out and the jump in hardware wasn't as big so PS4 owners had less incentive to buy a Pro. That being said I doubt this will last for the One X simply because of the price. The early buyers are likely to be mostly current xbox one owners who traded in their consoles for the newer model, I'm sure people like me who bought the One X but didn't own a standard X1 are a pretty small minority.
What a poorly-written headline, unless they seriously intend to make the case that Microsoft was ever going to sell more PS4s than Sony.
Well the fact that MS had a $500 console launch while Sony had discounts for the bulk of their sales (As MS did for base x1 as well) means more money was going to come in anyway lol.
No one cares how the console they've been anticipating for a year is selling? That's weird. Sales threads are hopping elsewhere. I figure that either people here do care, but they aren't surprised by the numbers so don't have anything to say, or else they've just learned to tune out sales discussions.
Oh well. The news is good this month for Xbox and the 1X launch. It's not as good as some people here thought, but it's still good.
Years ago sales threads were multiple threads long but no more. The Resetera threads no where near as long as they were in the hey day. Gamespot, Gamefaq, all down. Even article comments at Eurogamer are down.
I feel that us here just don't care like we used to.
Resetera threads are big again. 30x more than at GAF. It's actually been cool seeing the resurgence. A lot of very knowledgable posters were being kept away by the GAF atmosphere. I don't visit Gamefaqs or Gamespot, so I can't comment on those. Maybe Resetera is unique; it does seem to have a lot of sales-oriented people, so maybe that's where most of the discussion happens.
Like I said, I also think it's more about this being an Xbox-oriented forum and Xbox sales tending not to be an encouraging point of discussion. I think people have learned to tune it out. That's not the only factor, but it's sort of an obvious one.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter. If people don't care how 1X sold, they don't care. It just surprised me, that's all.
We're 4 years into a console "war" where the sales patterns have been relatively stagnant year in and year out. I'm not sure any sales threads are fun this late into a generation cycle.
"Fun" is a matter of perspective, but the notion that there's nothing to talk about is goofy -- especially this time of year, and with two new consoles in the mix. Resetera has 3 active sales threads about November, all bobbing around the first couple pages -- one with 1700 posts, another with 1000 posts, and a third with 2300 posts.
Sounds bout right. 3 million was always a bit out there.
The 1X numbers are pretty much as expected, good but nothing mind-blowing.
I think most want all three to do well. I think most are happy that Nintendo rebounded, are in awe of the Sony juggernaut and hopeful that Microsoft turns it around.
But yeah, you and Andy are right. The thread would be more active if MS was winning or even splitting a lot of months in NA.
Yeah, I understand that. I don't blame them. If Sony were running second, I doubt I'd be as tuned in as I am.
On the other hand, sales are about a lot more than console wars. Sales data tell us whether the hardware is successful, which tells you about which way the industry will move. The Switch for instance -- if it sells well, maybe we'll see other hybrid models. Or PSVR. Unfortunately we don't have November data on that, but how well it sells (especially with the steep discounts lately) will tell us a lot about the future viability of VR on consoles. The 1X, too -- sales data will tell us how much gamers care about having the most powerful console. These are all interesting questions to me, and sales numbers give you a window into that.
Beyond hardware, of course, individual game sales data tells you a lot about the future of your favorite franchises. The best way to know whether there will be more of ____ type of game is to look at the sales. So I find it interesting from that point of view, too.
I'm just saying, it's not all about console wars. I hope we're beyond the point of saying "my system won, nee-ner, nee-ner." There's more to sales data than that.
On the other hand, sales are about a lot more than console wars. Sales data tell us whether the hardware is successful, which tells you about which way the industry will move. The Switch for instance -- if it sells well, maybe we'll see other hybrid models. Or PSVR. Unfortunately we don't have November data on that, but how well it sells (especially with the steep discounts lately) will tell us a lot about the future viability of VR on consoles. The 1X, too -- sales data will tell us how much gamers care about having the most powerful console. These are all interesting questions to me, and sales numbers give you a window into that.
Beyond hardware, of course, individual game sales data tells you a lot about the future of your favorite franchises. The best way to know whether there will be more of ____ type of game is to look at the sales. So I find it interesting from that point of view, too.
I'm just saying, it's not all about console wars. I hope we're beyond the point of saying "my system won, nee-ner, nee-ner." There's more to sales data than that.
I don't think it tells you any of that.
PSVR being a success rests on the internal expectations for it....same for all software.
X1 isn't a good benchmark for gamers wantinh the most powerful system. It comes from a company with an image problem. It is a platform with a severly lacking exclusive line-up, and I don't think Phil's GaaS ethos is winning anybody over.
Sales data isn't a great metric anymore.
Disagree. Internal expectations are closely related to sales and revenue. As for 1X, obviously there are other factors involved (I wasn't doing an exhaustive analysis), as is the case for all consoles, but sales give us information about the issue. And it's just a truism that the direction businesses take depends on what makes money and what doesn't. I'm not saying sales are the ONLY factor, but they are certainly important.
My overall point, though, is that sales data doesn't need to be seen just as a console wars talking point. That's really a very narrow view of it.
Let's not forget this isn't a true new gen console, you don't need it to play any games it just makes them prettier than other console versions so the One X (and the Pro to a lesser degree) along with it's much higher price over the base console kind of ensures it's not going to be a huge hit when compared to other true new gen console launches.
People who were thinking it was going to be a huge hit were letting their own personal hype take over logical thinking IMO, I knew when I picked mine up and there were only like 10 people there at the nighttime launch event while the PS4 had a couple of hundred let me know the hype at least in my area wasn't anywhere near what it was for other consoles regardless of what people on message boards say.
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They need to do something more with 1st party games but I'm glad they put out some good hardware.
Yup. I want all consoles to do well. I am not a fan of PC gaming. If consoles left I would probably not game any longer.
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