Sony: 10 million PS4's sold through to consumers globally

[BUSTERMAN]

It's their only option at this point.

Well duh, we are talking about games consoles so securing games is a major part of the strategy in trying to increase console sales. MSFT has big bucks unlike Sony so MSFT can continue to write checks further putting the screws to Sony. In the end I win because unless a game is only available on PC I get to play all the games and won't have to sit around and cry that its not available on my preferred platform. Unless its a PC only game.

 

[menace-uk-]

So you think this aggressive strategy as a bad thing ? Or a desperate thing? I'm not sure I understand the main point your making. Ultimately it is software that will sell the hardware. To aggressively pursue a policy like this Microsoft are planning ahead and it shows good foresight in my opinion. Also I think you are to casual in dismissing Xbox one sales. It has to be at least around the 6 million mark. That is not a small install base by any margin. Its ridiculous to even suggest that an install base of that many is a negative thing even when compared to the massive Sony sales.

Competition baby, gotta love it. Prices have come down. Policies overturned. Free games. Aggressive exclusive tactics and sensible service additions. Is this not why we all love to claim that competition is needed ? yet, when competition heats up it is all doom and gloom.
Look at last gen. Sony were fooked out the gate, and while it took them a while, they eventually got their act together and gamers were the better for it.

This is why multiple big players are a necessity for gaming to thrive.

 

[D-V-ANT]

Competition baby, gotta love it. Prices have come down. Policies overturned. Free games. Aggressive exclusive tactics and sensible service additions. Is this not why we all love to claim that competition is needed ? yet, when competition heats up it is all doom and gloom.
Look at last gen. Sony were fooked out the gate, and while it took them a while, they eventually got their act together and gamers were the better for it.

This is why multiple big players are a necessity for gaming to thrive.

Right on the money there.

 

[The Wolf King]

Yep. Things would be rather crappy with just 1 or 2 companies in the console market.

 

[Bgamer90]

The people that keep saying MS is doing fine, look at how aggressive they've had to be and they are still far behind. I know people like to keep saying "It's doing better than the 360" but that's not going to last for long, it's on track to be behind the 360 in sales later this year. So far they've given away TF for free, they gave Fifa 14 away in some parts of the world, they've offered a kinectless bundle even though they spent months saying they'd never do it, now they are going to be giving Madden away for free with new hardware. That's not what a company who feels good about their position does, it IS what a company that feels a lot of pressure to improve does.

Sony has been at least one step ahead the entire time and have made almost all the right moves so far this gen. They announced first, they had better hardware, they had the right message in the lead up to launch, they had the right pricing, they made sure that they didn't give a single advantage to the competition. That's not to say everything has been perfect but in comparison to the X1 and WiiU the PS4 seems like it's in a league all it's own right now.

In comparison to the Wii U they are definitely doing "fine". The system has already established itself with a large enough userbase to continue on getting game support. And yeah, Microsoft is definitely making moves with their future bundles but that's because they want to have the top spots in major markets like North America. Don't see why that's a problem and/or something that needs to be criticized.

It's possible to still "do fine" while at the same time wanting to do better to reach a higher level. I mean look at the PS2. The PS2 absolutely crushed all other consoles in sales but that didn't stop Sony from making deals and partnerships that gen. Big companies should never be content with where they are at. They should constantly look for ways to improve because as seen many times before during these past 20+ years, things can definitely change relatively quickly.

 

[Entreri804]

The people that keep saying MS is doing fine, look at how aggressive they've had to be and they are still far behind. I know people like to keep saying "It's doing better than the 360" but that's not going to last for long, it's on track to be behind the 360 in sales later this year. So far they've given away TF for free, they gave Fifa 14 away in some parts of the world, they've offered a kinectless bundle even though they spent months saying they'd never do it, now they are going to be giving Madden away for free with new hardware. That's not what a company who feels good about their position does, it IS what a company that feels a lot of pressure to improve does.

Sony has been at least one step ahead the entire time and have made almost all the right moves so far this gen. They announced first, they had better hardware, they had the right message in the lead up to launch, they had the right pricing, they made sure that they didn't give a single advantage to the competition. That's not to say everything has been perfect but in comparison to the X1 and WiiU the PS4 seems like it's in a league all it's own right now.

yup. Microsoft is so desperate they are selling a new cod console bundle priced at 499.00 and that does not even include a Kinect. Nothing free in that bundle unfortunately. Also one thing I will bet my life on is if the PS3 had released within a week of the Xbox 360 instead of a year later I can guarantee you that would have cut into the 360s total hardware sales in the same 9 month time period that the Xbox one has been for sale. That's a fact.

 

[DriedMangoes]

yup. Microsoft is so desperate they are selling a new cod console bundle priced at 499.00 and that does not even include a Kinect. Nothing free in that bundle unfortunately. Also one thing I will bet my life on is if the PS3 had released within a week of the Xbox 360 instead of a year later I can guarantee you that would have cut into the 360s total hardware sales in the same 9 month time period that the Xbox one has been for sale. That's a fact.

Doesn't it come with the game ? Well, some people buy it for the name and a COD customized controller and X1 sounds cool in some people's books.

 

[Entreri804]

Doesn't it come with the game ? Well, some people buy it for the name and a COD customized controller and X1 sounds cool in some people's books.

It does. But so do the other bundles. It also comes with a 1tb hard drive . I pre ordered that one just now and sold my day one edition to a friend at work. The white ps4 destiny console is looking promising to me too! I'm already tempted to sell my original ps4 to get that white one!. I've always been a sucker for customized consoles. Lol.

 

[JinCA]

yup. Microsoft is so desperate they are selling a new cod console bundle priced at 499.00 and that does not even include a Kinect. Nothing free in that bundle unfortunately. Also one thing I will bet my life on is if the PS3 had released within a week of the Xbox 360 instead of a year later I can guarantee you that would have cut into the 360s total hardware sales in the same 9 month time period that the Xbox one has been for sale. That's a fact.

When the 360 launched the Xbox had only been out for 4 years, the brand wasn't that strong yet and didn't really have much of a reputation. Things are much different now, everyone knows what Xbox is, MS just made a ton of mistakes and seemed to become as "arrogant" as Sony was with the PS3.

 

[JinCA]

Doesn't it come with the game ? Well, some people buy it for the name and a COD customized controller and X1 sounds cool in some people's books.

It also has a 1TB HDD but he left that part out as well.

 

[JinCA]

In comparison to the Wii U they are definitely doing "fine". The system has already established itself with a large enough userbase to continue on getting game support. And yeah, Microsoft is definitely making moves with their future bundles but that's because they want to have the top spots in major markets like North America. Don't see why that's a problem and/or something that needs to be criticized.

It's possible to still "do fine" while at the same time wanting to do better to reach a higher level. I mean look at the PS2. The PS2 absolutely crushed all other consoles in sales but that didn't stop Sony from making deals and partnerships that gen. Big companies should never be content with where they are at. They should constantly look for ways to improve because as seen many times before during these past 20+ years, things can definitely change relatively quickly.

Lower your defensive shields there, I was pointing out why they aren't really "doing fine" not being critical of them. That being said if you believe they'd be giving Madden away for free even if they were selling better you are mistaken. The only reason they gave Fifa away in Europe was that they knew they were weaker there than NA and they knew that price was going to be an issue. Did NA get a free launch game? NOPE. The only reason TF was free was because sales were slowing down, otherwise they wouldn't have given away their biggest game of the year for free.

As far as companies supporting them, of course they are and it's asinine to even bring that up. Their console is close enough in it's capabilities that it makes sense to bring games to it if they are also being made for the PS4. Nice way to try to fluff your response with "examples" there lol.

 

[starseeker]

I just print out an copy of the 10 million sold image. Every time I feel sad, all I need to do is to look th the copy, & I will be happy again.

On a serious note, PS4 being in such a commanding lead isn't good for gamers. A more balance marketshare is better.

 

[Ketto]

You should elaborate, it's an empty statement otherwise.

 

[starseeker]

As in a competition .....promote hmmm competition, meaning they try harder to win gamers, i.e better deals, more competitive pricing, burden, contents, at more values.

 

[DriedMangoes]

As in a close competition .....promote competition, meaning they try harder to win gamers, i.e better deals, more competitive pricing, burden, contents, at more values.

Sony's big lead has MS going all out with price cuts, bundles, taking out Kinect etc. Sounds like healthy competition to me.

 

[starseeker]

from MS side......not so much Sony.

Maybe not actually correct. They have been trying hard to give good package, price etc. The worry is Sony will try less hard if they are dominating. Healthy competition is almost always better than monopoly of the market.

 

[JinCA]

If and when MS closes the gap Sony will try to counter, they just aren't in a defensive position right now the way MS is so they aren't making those moves.

 

[starseeker]

If and when MS closes the gap Sony will try to counter, they just aren't in a defensive position right now the way MS is so they aren't making those moves.

Actually what I am saying.... We need both to try hard.

 

[DriedMangoes]

from MS side......not so much Sony.

Maybe not actually correct. They have been trying hard to give good package, price etc. The worry is Sony will try less hard if they are dominating. Healthy competition is almost always better than monopoly of the market.

I see your worry. Well, I guess we'll see if MS can gain momentum and start closing the gap which will in turn push Sony to be more aggressive in their specials. The thing is, the price is already at parity, it doesn't make sense for Sony to reduce the price any further since it could in turn lead to even more sales which would be bad for MS since the gap will continue to grow... Therefore, it seems Sony is comfortable where they are now since they've priced it pretty fairly from the beginning. Except in Canada, where they upped it $50... sigh.

 

[JinCA]

Actually what I am saying.... We need both to try hard.

Sony is doing things the right way though that's the point. They catered to the right group first, the launch price was solid etc and all of the moves MS is making are really just because they are trying to recover from earlier blunders. Had MS come out with the right strategy and Sony stumbled we'd probably see the rolls reversed.

 

[starseeker]

I am not worry about NOW, I am about the future, that they become complacant or even arrogant again. Just to clarify. They are doing a great job now.

 

[The Living Tribunal]

10 million in 10 months.

Ownage sauce!

 

[D-V-ANT]

L

Sony's big lead has MS going all out with price cuts, bundles, taking out Kinect etc. Sounds like healthy competition to me.

Absolutely. And we get the best benefits from it. Ps4 is cheap and psn has free games, MS have brought EA Access and GwG . It's win win if you can afford both consoles.

 

[Bgamer90]

Lower your defensive shields there, I was pointing out why they aren't really "doing fine" not being critical of them.

Not being defensive. Simply saying it's possible to be doing okay while at the same time making big moves and that it's what any company should be doing. Being complacent in the fast moving/changing tech industry isn't smart.

That being said if you believe they'd be giving Madden away for free even if they were selling better you are mistaken. The only reason they gave Fifa away in Europe was that they knew they were weaker there than NA and they knew that price was going to be an issue. Did NA get a free launch game? NOPE. The only reason TF was free was because sales were slowing down, otherwise they wouldn't have given away their biggest game of the year for free.

Never said they would still be releasing the Madden bundle if they were selling better -- however, I think we can all agree that MS would still launch bundles alongside their exclusive games; especially since that's what they did during the 360 gen.

Also in terms of the Titanfall bundle, no -- we don't know that. $500 for a console is already a lot of money and a bundle for $560+ would have been a pretty ridiculous price for the general audience.

Their console is close enough in it's capabilities that it makes sense to bring games to it if they are also being made for the PS4. Nice way to try to fluff your response with "examples" there lol.

Uhh... what? Wasn't trying to "fluff" my post with "examples". Was just using an example of a console that killed the competition in sales but yet still continued making major competitive moves to further prove my point. Don't understand why you would criticize that as "fluff".

 

[Bgamer90]

Sony is doing things the right way though that's the point. They catered to the right group first, the launch price was solid etc and all of the moves MS is making are really just because they are trying to recover from earlier blunders. Had MS come out with the right strategy and Sony stumbled we'd probably see the rolls reversed.

The only thing that would possibly be different is that MS would be the top selling console in America.

PS4 was always going to do better than the Xbox One regardless of the Xbox One's bad PR during the pre-launch period since both consoles released at pretty much the same time & and the Playstation brand is far more popular worldwide.

The PS3 for example was beating the Xbox 360 in many countries outside of America before Sony rebranded the PS3 in 2009.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

I just print out an copy of the 10 million sold image. Every time I feel sad, all I need to do is to look th the copy, & I will be happy again.

On a serious note, PS4 being in such a commanding lead isn't good for gamers. A more balance marketshare is better.

so what happen to the PS1 and PS2? Sony has been in the throne before, and these have been some of, if not, the best consumer platforms to launch the shelves. so i ask you, what changed?

 

[JinCA]

The only thing that would possibly be different is that MS would be the top selling console in America.

PS4 was always going to do better than the Xbox One regardless of the Xbox One's bad PR during the pre-launch period since both consoles released at pretty much the same time & and the Playstation brand is far more popular worldwide.

The PS3 for example was beating the Xbox 360 in many countries outside of America before Sony rebranded the PS3 in 2009.

You are forgetting the 360 beat the PS3 in the UK as well.

 

[JinCA]

Not being defensive. Simply saying it's possible to be doing okay while at the same time making big moves and that it's what any company should be doing. Being complacent in the fast moving/changing tech industry isn't smart.



Never said they would still be releasing the Madden bundle if they were selling better -- however, I think we can all agree that MS would still launch bundles alongside their exclusive games; especially since that's what they did during the 360 gen.

Also in terms of the Titanfall bundle, no -- we don't know that. $500 for a console is already a lot of money and a bundle for $560+ would have been a pretty ridiculous price for the general audience.



Uhh... what? Wasn't trying to "fluff" my post with "examples". Was just using an example of a console that killed the competition in sales but yet still continued making major competitive moves to further prove my point. Don't understand why you would criticize that as "fluff".

TF likely wouldn't have been bundled to begin with if things had gone well for them, it makes no sense to buy exclusivity for a 3rd party title and then give it away for free. If they were really worried about perceived value they'd have put a game in the box (download code) in every X1 no matter where it released. I can't say for sure but I don't think there were any official 360 bundles the first year that included free games, generally that kind of thing happens with holiday promotions in the 2nd year and beyond.

 

[Bgamer90]

TF likely wouldn't have been bundled to begin with if things had gone well for them,

Doubt it. It was pretty much confirmed that MS was working on a Titanfall bundle months before the game released due to the design of the special Titanfall themed Xbox One (that wasn't released) getting leaked.

it makes no sense to buy exclusivity for a 3rd party title and then give it away for free.

...Unless the payment for the exclusivity deal also included bundling the game (for free).

I can't say for sure but I don't think there were any official 360 bundles the first year that included free games, generally that kind of thing happens with holiday promotions in the 2nd year and beyond.

The 360 wasn't a high price during its time and had multiple SKUs (different prices) from the get-go. That's on top of the system not having any same gen competition from 2005-2006.

There really wasn't a need for the system to have a bundle with a free game during the system's first year.

 

[JinCA]

Doubt it. It was pretty much confirmed that MS was working on a Titanfall bundle months before the game released due to the design of the special Titanfall themed Xbox One (that wasn't released) getting leaked.



...Unless the payment for the exclusivity deal also included bundling the game (for free).



The 360 wasn't a high price during its time and had multiple SKUs (different prices) from the get-go. That's on top of the system not having any same gen competition from 2005-2006.

There really wasn't a need for the system to have a bundle with a free game during the system's first year.

There was talk of a TF bundle with a special edition console but they put the brakes on that because of cost. Had they gone through with that special edition and the X1 was doing well that game almost surely wouldn't have been included for free. To you and I $500 sounds like a high price but they seemed to think people would have been totally fine paying it.