The 2016 United States Presidential Election Thread. v. 2

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Plainview said:
Instead of deflecting, and not supporting your argument, how did Bernie get cheated out of anything when it's a persons vote that gets them in the election? How could Hillary cheat Trump out of anything when it's people votes that point the direction of delegates. Define "cheat." Support your argument.

When you can clarify your remarks then we can move on to other discussions. I don't think you can be sue you've yet to support any argument you've made on these forums.

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How was he cheated you ask? If you aren’t even up to speed on that than no wonder you are so lost. She sure as hell didn’t quit for nothing.

Here
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html?ref=politics
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/19/deb...nd_the_case_bernie_sanders_must_make_tonight/

as to deflecting; you might want to address the points that were made in the video rather then spending your time trying to put words into peoples mouths.
 
yankeessuck said:
Why is it the people who complain about the biased media happen to like Project Veritas aka James O'Keefe who not only edits videos to distort events he is also been given money by the Trump Foundation.
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come back with the number of people in the media who have donated to the Clintons or who identify as democrats. besides the PV tapes just came out, most of the stuff that makes them look bad ( to the objective) has come from Wikileaks and the FBI reports. No matter what though people will blandly follow her and vote for her.
 
morfeeis said:
come back with the number of people in the media who have donated to the Clintons or who identify as democrats. besides the PV tapes just came out, most of the stuff that makes them look bad ( to the objective) has come from Wikileaks and the FBI reports. No matter what though people will blandly follow her and vote for her.
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Just main stream media? Cause I guarantee there is much more social media that leans the other way.
 
hrudey said:
Except, of course, that's not what happened. They archived the work-related emails in December 2014, well before a subpoena, and she instructed the management company that she did not need to keep emails on the server beyond 60 days. The technician responsible for this failed to change the retention policy and at some point late in March, acted on his own to delete the emails.

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-04/view (see pages approx 17 - 19)

But again, here is a case where you have accused and convicted someone because you hate her, not because you know the evidence or care. The people who rely on to think for you are telling you that Hillary herself saw a subpoena, got out her trusty jug o' bleach, and started to personally cover up whatever right-wing jizz fantasy conspiracy that they're pretending she's hiding. You see, the thing is, prosecutors generally don't bring charges based on anything other than the probability of being able to get a conviction, and while the narrative Trump and his Breitbart/Sputnik media sources are parroting would actually have led to that, the simple fact is that based on the evidence the FBI has, there is no reasonable probability of getting a conviction or probably even an indictment based on the facts.

Now, the thing is, if you would just focus on the fact that she was very irresponsible in how she handled her emails, I'd buy it. But that's never good enough - you have a hard-on for having her incarcerated and many other people who are in your cult think she should be shot, because they're being lied to and since it fits the hatred that's been bred in them for decades, they accept it without question. I wish I could say that you were better than that, and maybe you'll surprise me and read the report I linked and have the intellectual decency to recognize that if you change the name in the article to Trump, Bush, Rice, Powell, or Brutus the Buckeye, in every single case no charges would be filed and in every case I would agree with that and say the person was irresponsible for doing that.
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And here is the problem with that; once she had been ordered to retain all emails and to turn them over then at that point it6 is up to her to provide that information to the FBI. You think it was just by chance that the day after emails were to be turned over that he needed help in getting rid of them? She even made a deal to turn over all of her emails on July of 2014 of which she did not, she Via (the IT guy) then went on later to destroy those archives as the link you provided shows. I took the time to read you information and while I admit that I do have an affinity to disbelieve that Clintons it’s based on how much scandal that has surrounded them for years.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/22/how-reddit-ruined-the-hillary-clinton-campaign/
My view is that she is irresponsible and an outright criminal who has used the government to enrich her and her family. But I would also posit that she is a law breaker who has been able, due to her family’s power, to skirt being charged with a crime that would have landed any of us in jail. I will admit that I dislike the Clintons; it’s based on their actions. Hell I was one of the dumb asses that use to love them and even lobbied to get my parents to vote for them at the time. But I grew up.
 
BettaCall911 said:
Just main stream media? Cause I guarantee there is much more social media that leans the other way.
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yes just mainstream media
I would have to agree, i think the flourish in more right of center media is due to the lack of those views in the mainstream. I think both are freaking nuts though.
 
morfeeis said:
How was he cheated you ask? If you aren’t even up to speed on that than no wonder you are so lost. She sure as hell didn’t quit for nothing.

Here
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html?ref=politics
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/19/deb...nd_the_case_bernie_sanders_must_make_tonight/

as to deflecting; you might want to address the points that were made in the video rather then spending your time trying to put words into peoples mouths.
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I already covered it, pages back.

You don't want Hillary in office and that means you went Trump in office. Only two choices.
 
morfeeis said:
But I grew up.
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morfeeis said:
come back with the number of people in the media who have donated to the Clintons or who identify as democrats. besides the PV tapes just came out, most of the stuff that makes them look bad ( to the objective) has come from Wikileaks and the FBI reports. No matter what though people will blandly follow her and vote for her.
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Being a Democrat is the same as having Trump give you money? Comical.
 
morfeeis said:
And here is the problem with that; once she had been ordered to retain all emails and to turn them over then at that point it6 is up to her to provide that information to the FBI. You think it was just by chance that the day after emails were to be turned over that he needed help in getting rid of them? She even made a deal to turn over all of her emails on July of 2014 of which she did not, she Via (the IT guy) then went on later to destroy those archives as the link you provided shows. I took the time to read you information and while I admit that I do have an affinity to disbelieve that Clintons it’s based on how much scandal that has surrounded them for years.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/22/how-reddit-ruined-the-hillary-clinton-campaign/
My view is that she is irresponsible and an outright criminal who has used the government to enrich her and her family. But I would also posit that she is a law breaker who has been able, due to her family’s power, to skirt being charged with a crime that would have landed any of us in jail. I will admit that I dislike the Clintons; it’s based on their actions. Hell I was one of the dumb asses that use to love them and even lobbied to get my parents to vote for them at the time. But I grew up.
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Your view is well and good. I don't begrudge you that. But for her to be a criminal, she would need to be proven to have broken the law, beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law. The GOP has been banging that drum for more than half of my lifetime, and people sure have every right to question whether or not she is a good person or ethical person or if she "maybe" broke the law. But to date, there is simply no evidence that would lead any reasonable prosecutor to think that he or she had a viable chance at a conviction.

For what it's worth, too, you're combining different email requests - the original request was made some time in 2014 (I don't care enough to go back and look at the exact dates) and was limited to her work related emails. Deleting anything that was deemed non-work was absolutely permissible, and had the contractor simply followed the procedure they agreed to in (I think December 2014), those "deleted" emails would have already been gone. There was a subsequent request for more emails to be produced, and I don't recall the details but it did specify the email accounts specifically, although I'd have to re-read the docs to see if they were also requesting her personal emails. The PR tech realized he hadn't done what was instructed before and quite possibly did violate the Congressional Order (which I also did not read). Even in that chain of events, though, your words here say why she's not in jail: "You think it was just by chance that the day after emails were to be turned over that he needed help in getting rid of them?" We don't convict people in this nation just because it looks like it's not by chance; we have a system of laws and there are Constitutional protections in place that ensure that people are afforded the right to a fair trial. The evidence that we have simply does not back up the claim that she would be in jail if she weren't a Clinton because if you can not show evidence that she willfully and knowingly ordered the destruction of evidence *after* she was asked to preserve it, there is no basis for an indictment, let alone a conviction.
 
morfeeis said:
No matter what though people will blandly follow her and vote for her.
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<Trump>Wrong. Wrong. People will not blandly vote for Hillary. My voters are tremendous people, with great blandness, and the bland will never vote for Crooked Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is the candidate for the vanilla, I have to say, the vanilla Americans who live in our white bread world, not to say that there's anything wrong with The Blacks, I'm not saying that, but we do need to go watch the places where they vote, if we can survive the inner city to get there, it's terrible what Hillary's doing to them. I have tremendous golf properties, huge resorts where good, bland Americans go to spend the money they so richly inherited and depreciated to keep away from the IRS, something that *this* ..... person, please notice I avoided saying 'bitch', but you know she is, but this person left the loopholes in and we just take advantage of them because we're smart enough to have chosen to inherit a lot of money.</Trump>
 
yankeessuck said:
Fraud working as intended. I'm planning on voting 2 or 3 times myself.
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Now, now, you know Trump is right when he endorses the idea of "one man, one vote" though the codicil saying "One woman, no vote, but show us your titties while you're there sweetheart" isn't usually published.
 
I didnt think it was this scary until now....
this is from the National Review even.

Trump’s alt-right trolls have subjected me and my family to an unending torrent of abuse that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement
 
Brilliant.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...booze-up/ar-AAjd7mv?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp

"Late last month, Cucapa, an artisanal brewery from the northern border state of Baja California, posted a video in which representatives went to the United States to hawk blue t-shirts with Trump's face that ostensibly say "I support Donald."

However, unbeknown to the buyer, when they put on the t-shirt, their body temperature adds a clown's nose to Trump's face and alters the message to read "Donald: El que lo Lea," a traditional message meaning "Whoever reads this is Donald."

Proceeds from the tongue-in-cheek publicity stunt helped fund the event on Thursday in Mexico City, where a well-heeled crowd of young boozers in bright yellow Trump wigs took cheer from the property mogul's recent collapse in the polls."
 
Kind of off topic but related.

Went and saw that movie Denial with my girlfriend last night. The movie about the Holocaust denier. No joke some of the lines he used in that movie were eerily reminiscent of what Donald uses.

Even my girlfriend at one point turned to me and said "you know some of the stuff that guy was saying sounds like Donald Trump"
One of the movie goers I talked to after the credits agreed with that observation.

Chilling.

Really good movie by the way I encourage everybody to see it. Rachel Weiss is amazing!
 
People who complain about Hillary being too old should think, 'Would you rather have a commander in chief making the decisions while she rides the cotton pony!?'
 
Partyman said:
Democrats think elections could be rigged ....



Fing hypocrites! LOL.

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We had people showing us how touchscreen voting machines were casting votes for the wrong person and those tended to always be in places where republicans were running things and the republican was always the one that the mistake favored. That along with them trying to suppress the vote by making it harder to vote either by voter ID laws or closing polling stations seemed like more than a coincidence. Even with all of that happening Obama still won pretty comfortably both times so even with proven examples those things had no real impact on the actual election. It's one thing to say make sure your vote is counted, it's another thing to tell people to go monitor inner city polling places which is code for voter intimidation directed at minorities.
 
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Bellybama said:
People who complain about Hillary being too old should think, 'Would you rather have a commander in chief making the decisions while she rides the cotton pony!?'
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Trump is older than she is so anyone talking about her age who supports Trump is out of their mind...then again I think that's a requirement to be a Trump supporter anyway :)
 
The G.O.P. is G.O.N.E.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/302315-breitbart-escalates-war-on-paul-ryan

Breitbart is now claiming that Paul Ryan has been on a several month campaign to ensure that Clinton won the election. The moronic toddler wing of the party doesn't seem to realize that if they want to blame any Republican for Clinton's overwhelming lead, it's not Paul Ryan, but NoTaxy McPussyFingers himself. I think Paul Ryan as a candidate would have won the Presidency against Clinton, but there are too many Breitbart Toddlers in the party now to allow anything other than a candidate who hates the browns, the blacks, the bitches, the mooslims, and anyone else who isn't a white Christian male above the age of 55.

I think there's a real possibility afoot for a more centrist party to form from the breakup of the GOP (which, honestly, I think will happen - Trump will start his own party with Trump News as his Breitbart-staffed propaganda arm, and take a large number of the toddlers in Congress with them). The few existing Republicans who actually are interested in governing the country rather than getting pageviews and ratings for their anti-"those people" screeds would be wise to try to rebrand themselves as a center-right party, see if they can peel off some of the more centrist Democrats, and see if they can assemble a coalition that pulls enough from both sides and lets the more progressive wing of the Democrats go off on their own as well.

I'm not sure that they could make it work because there's simply too much emphasis on there being a right/left wing answer to every problem, and the abortion issue is probably likely to torpedo this if the GOP remnants decide to be adamant about that. Strategically, it makes too much sense to do it, which of course means that they'll never be able to do it.
 


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"I have Cha Chi and the best Baldwin, Stephen" :laugh:

"you can vote for the Republican or Donald Trump" :laugh:
 
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