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Doubt it.

What will get people buying Switches like crazy is if the whole rumble HD, mobile focus and dock and play work out. And people want to spend $300 for that.

Mario and Zelda are arguably the two most well known and iconic franchises in all of console gaming, yet if you look at Ninty's console sales, they have been lousy since SNES, aside from Wii which was more about motion controls, than people buying it and waiting for a Mario or Zelda game.

If Mario and Zelda were that crucial to selling consoles, N64, GC and Wii U would have sold like hotcakes, but they sold poorly.

On the plus side, I can't see Switch selling worse than Wii U's 13 million. I know other consoles have sold worse (Saturn and DC), but if you look at Wii U's sales, they sold about 3M at launch/Xmas, leaving 10M for the remaining 4 years. It was a sliding scope down to about 200,000 units per month globally for 4 years after the first 3M. And that 200,000 avg even includes some sales bumps during Xmas. So if you exclude this, the avg month sales for a non-holiday month was probably 100,000.

If Switch can't beat Wii U's performance, god help us all. And Switch even has more first party titles launching in year one too.
1 console sold about the same as the Xbox the next destroyed both Xbox and PS the 3rd was a dud vs PS and Xbox. Lets not try and forgot how successful the 2nd 1 the Wii was.
Notice I only put the Xbox years in comparison.
Xbox won none of the generations since it launched but yet you sit here and ignorantly put down Nintendo's recent success.
 
1 console sold about the same as the Xbox the next destroyed both Xbox and PS the 3rd was a dud vs PS and Xbox. Lets not try and forgot how successful the 2nd 1 the Wii was.
Notice I only put the Xbox years in comparison.
Xbox won none of the generations since it launched but yet you sit here and ignorantly put down Nintendo's recent success.
One major fault of you argument is that Wii beat Xbox360. Only in consile sales which is only part of the battle. Once you add in software sales and paid online subscriptions, Miscrosoft smoked everyone last gen. Fact.
 
Enough with Val's derailments.

But here's a list of US pricing for Switch accessories. For Canada, add about 30%.

So for those Switch gamers, are you also buying additional accessories too? Make note that if you want a fully functional second joy-con controller (with the middle piece for support), you have to buy the separate charging grip middle piece too.

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That's what your smart device is for silly!
Ninty hasn't said how it will work, but let's say the whole smartphone app thing works.

- Smartphone app works and you have some people in a party all talking
- You are wearing a head set or earbuds

You are playing Splatoon 2 in a party, but now your phone rings and you want to answer it. Then what?

- This app is smart enough to put party chat on hold?
- The second you end the phone call, it automatically puts you back in the party like nothing happened?
- If you are the party creator, does it bomb the rest of the party?
- Will the phone call go through your headset/ear buds, or through your smartphone speaker? If it goes through your smartphone like a normal call, then you got to take off your headset
- Will the app let you make phone calls or text people at the same time? Let's say it's intermission during a shooter game and you want to make a quick call or text in the 1 minute intermission, can you even do that, or will it bomb the app?
- Let's say you are partied up and your phone gets disconnected from wireless service for a few seconds. Will the app automatically try to reload you into the party? Or do you have to do it from scratch? All I know is my cable tv feed is 99.999% running fine, my internet feed is probably 99% fine, but my smartphone signal is maybe 95% fine. Even surfing the net on my phone, sometimes you get bad gateways or no connection, then you refresh and it works

Will be interesting to see how well the app holds up where people are partied up for an hour or two playing MP using a smartphone app.
 
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Enough with Val's derailments.

But here's a list of US pricing for Switch accessories. For Canada, add about 30%.

So for those Switch gamers, are you also buying additional accessories too? Make note that if you want a fully functional second joy-con controller (with the middle piece for support), you have to buy the separate charging grip middle piece too.

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Half a controller is $50?! That's ridonkulous!

Although, you can simulate shaking individual cubes of ice in a glass...

Money well spent.

One of the big jokes about the switch is that their games don't need you to look at the screen, according to the promos.

But one of my fav memories with the Wii, was hiding the wiimotes, while they made animal noises and my mates scrambling to find them. Pure, awesome, drunk fun.

Them again, simple fun doesn't need a new device/console. But it's great that Nintendo still go for fun, even if it seems goofy. Fun is fun, and makes memories, pixel counting? None of us will remember it in a year's time.

(That last bit was a lie. People will still bitch about resolution. Resolution : fun.)
 
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Half a controller is $50?! That's ridonkulous!
At some point, some article will come out saying what the tear down costs for Switch is and maybe it will include controllers costs.

I remember some Xbox articles saying a controller costs about $15 to make.... might have been years back so they may have been talking about the 360 controller.

If an Xbox controller is about $15, there is no way a Switch nub costs more than $7-8. Ok, it may have some fancy gyroscopes what leads to more precise rumble, but I don't see how it can cost as much as an Xbox controller that is bigger, has more functionality and also has basic vibration too.

Given experience in consumer goods, which includes small electrics (not video game related though), the old 33-33-33 financials loosely apply. It may be +/- 5 pts somewhere, but that approximate ratio applies to most goods. I'm not saying that applies to homes, cars, or big stuff, but for most stuff you see in a store.

33% store profit
33% store cost/supplier profit
33 supplier costs

So a box cookies that costs $3.00 to you, probably costs a store $2.00 to purchase, and the supplier spends $1.00 to make it (material, packaging, shipping).

For video games though, a buddy of mine told me a store usually makes about 25% margin on games and knick knacks.

That $60 game costs EB roughly $45 to buy of a publisher..... give or take a few bucks.

To me though, a Switch nub for $50 seems like a high margin cash grab. it's not like a game which has $2 worth of packaging and disc, but maybe $20 worth of dev costs. But who knows. Maybe it does cost a lot to make.
 
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At some point, some article will come out saying what the tear down costs for Switch is and maybe it will include controllers costs.

I remember some Xbox articles saying a controller costs about $15 to make.... might have been years back so they may have been talking about the 360 controller.

If an Xbox controller is about $15, there is no way a Switch nub costs more than $7-8. Ok, it may have some fancy gyroscopes what leads to more precise rumble, but I don't see how it can cost as much as an Xbox controller that is bigger, has more functionality and also has basic vibration too.
Can an Xbox simulate rattling ice cubes?

Exactly.

The ice cubes, man. The ice cubes.
 
Can an Xbox simulate rattling ice cubes?

Exactly.

The ice cubes, man. The ice cubes.
I forgot about that. And if you aim horizontally, it's like a real life gun!

Looks really fun.

 
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I forgot about that. And if you aim horizontally, it's like a real life gun!

Looks really fun.


I'm just putting this out there for Nintendo's next showing, but maybe don't hire manic depressed expo girls and put them in cow hats.

I think she feels self conscious.

And if she doesn't, she should.
 
I'm just putting this out there for Nintendo's next showing, but maybe don't hire manic depressed expo girls and put them in cow hats.

I think she feels self conscious.

And if she doesn't, she should.
A very odd showing. Funny thing when I did a Google search, this is the first video that popped up. I was expecting the top video to be Ninty's PR bit, but I thought this vid was funnier and more representative of real 1-2 gaming.

Typically demo people hired to run a kiosk are usually cute girls in their 20s. For something like gaming, you'd think there would be even more reason to.

Picking emotionless 40 year old moms doesn't fit well with promoting at a demo booth.

As I said in an old post somewhere, it goes to show what a big difference it is playing 1-2 Switch as normal gamers vs. promo videos with a matching pastel backdrop, costumes and actors. Compare Ninty's 1-2 Switch marketing videos with what these two guys did in Quick Draw. Totally different results and fun.
 
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Can an Xbox simulate rattling ice cubes?

Exactly.

The ice cubes, man. The ice cubes.
I'm interested to see if the joy-cons have some kind of sensor to calculate what someone is doing without touching the joy-con itself.

For example, in those yellow videos of the guy eating submarine sandwiches, you see the guy holding it parallel to the ground, moving it towards his mouth and he makes big chomping motions.

If the game/joy-con doesn't even sense the image, vibration of sound of someone's teeth, there's no point in even pretending to eat it. Just move the joy-con towards your mouth at a certain speed and angle and that should be good enough.

Looking at some vids, it seems based on positioning the joy-con a certain distance from your face and hold it there still. Then you munch. The joy-con somehow calculates your eating speed by your teeth.

Looking at various vids, I think it's totally random, or perhaps more cleverly based on the motion in your hand. You can see near the end of the vid, he's munching but the sandwich visual isn't even moving, which means the IR cam isn't working right. But who knows. Here's another eating vid.

 
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That's what your smart device is for silly!
nonsense.. this device is supposed to be a tablet and home console in one.. the whole point is taking it with you on planes or trains or buses or whatever, but lack of browser, netflix, youtube etc means you are gonna have to choose between Switch and your Tablet/laptop (no one is gonna take both) and obviously you are gonna choose the tablet/laptop everytime.

Another stupid narrow minded decision by Nintendo
 
nonsense.. this device is supposed to be a tablet and home console in one.. the whole point is taking it with you on planes or trains or buses or whatever, but lack of browser, netflix, youtube etc means you are gonna have to choose between Switch and your Tablet/laptop (no one is gonna take both) and obviously you are gonna choose the tablet/laptop everytime.

Another stupid narrow minded decision by Nintendo

Exactly my point :)
 
nonsense.. this device is supposed to be a tablet and home console in one.. the whole point is taking it with you on planes or trains or buses or whatever, but lack of browser, netflix, youtube etc means you are gonna have to choose between Switch and your Tablet/laptop (no one is gonna take both) and obviously you are gonna choose the tablet/laptop everytime.

Another stupid narrow minded decision by Nintendo
But with a standard tablet/laptop, you can't gather around a table, take off the joy-cons, sit at a table, and stare at a 6 inch screen playing NBA 2k with joy-con nubs that have one tiny analog stick and 4 buttons.

According to the preview videos, it's all about party play!

No need for internet surfing or Netflix when everyone can pretend to be quickdrawing Wyatt Earp.
 
I'm thinking of trading my Xbox One S for a Switch.

I'm for sure getting Scorpio or whatever they're going to call it, so I have to ask myself, " can I live without an Xbox for a few months?".

I'd be trading up from X1s to Scorpio anyway. I could probably get more trade value as opposed to the fall or next spring.
 
I'm thinking of trading my Xbox One S for a Switch.

I'm for sure getting Scorpio or whatever they're going to call it, so I have to ask myself, " can I live without an Xbox for a few months?".

I'd be trading up from X1s to Scorpio anyway. I could probably get more trade value as opposed to the fall or next spring.

Do you have a PS4/Pro too? If so trade away, if not, I don't think Zelda/Splatoon could hold me over till fall
 
Do you have a PS4/Pro too? If so trade away, if not, I don't think Zelda/Splatoon could hold me over till fall

I have a pro. I just figured I'd get all the new stuff to replace the old. Pro, Switch then Scorpio.

I'll probably hold onto most of my X1 library to see if they get patched on Scorpio.
 
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I'm thinking of trading my Xbox One S for a Switch.

I'm for sure getting Scorpio or whatever they're going to call it, so I have to ask myself, " can I live without an Xbox for a few months?".

I'd be trading up from X1s to Scorpio anyway. I could probably get more trade value as opposed to the fall or next spring.

value will be higher now and you could play Xbox games on the PC....

I am sure some here will try convincing you otherwise but...
 
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Want to pick one up. Hopefully around blackfriday there is some solid bundles. Just want Zelda and Mario really.
 
I have a pro. I just figured I'd get all the new stuff to replace the old. Pro, Switch then Scorpio.

I'll probably hold onto most of my X1 library to see if they get patched on Scorpio.

Hell yeah then. I'd keep the XB1 games, or at least your fav's, you can always play them again when you get the Scorpio.
 
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Want to pick one up. Hopefully around blackfriday there is some solid bundles. Just want Zelda and Mario really.
There will be solid BF deals for Switch. Scorpio will be out, and MS and Sony will still have X1/PS4 selling, so the competition will be fierce.

Also, Zelda is a SP game so by end of year there should be craploads of used copies which will sink the retail price. Don't be surprised if you find new copies of Zelda at year end for $30.
 
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