That was pretty badass! Animations and graphics are quite nice!
The gameplay though was a little stale but nothing terrible.
The Order: 1886
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That was pretty badass! Animations and graphics are quite nice!
The gameplay though was a little stale but nothing terrible.
I get what you are saying but again this game was never meant to have MP, RAD never designed it to have MP so why force them to put it in because some people may complain? Trend or not if it ends up taking away from the limited resources the studio has just to add MP so they can say they have it makes no sense at all. One thing RAD has going for them is that Sony as a publisher will continue with an IP if it's a moderate success unlike many other publishers who seem to think anything below 3 million in sales isn't worth bothering with.
As far as balancing resources yes you do that when you start the project and I'm sure plenty of them were put into creating the tech that powers the game along with obviously getting the studio staffed up. As far as people dismissing the game because there is a lack of MP I don't think that'll matter if the game turns out to be really good. If it's a quality single player game people will buy it. Just look at The Last of Us, it has MP but nobody ever talks about it, the talk is always about the story and the characters, do you really think it would have done much worse when it comes to sales without MP? I don't.
We shall see. I hope it is not costly for them, but I fear it may well be.
As for the post: I would like to address your example game. It is a poor choice. #1-It is not a straight up shooter like The Order appears to be.#2-It has MP. Curious, can anybody name 2 story driven shooters without MP that were a big success(lets say sold 2.5 million) in the last 5-6 years ?
I'll say this.... Considering the fact that Sony is charging for online play now, their exclusives that are of a genre that's known for multiplayer pretty much need to have multiplayer IMO.
I'm still interested in The Order and it's the only PS4 exclusive I'm interested in (even though it's definitely not coming out this year from what I've been told) but I do definitely think that the game not having multiplayer will set it back and hurt it in terms of becoming a big new exclusive series for the Playstation brand.
I'm still interested in The Order and it's the only PS4 exclusive I'm interested in (even though it's definitely not coming out this year from what I've been told) but I do definitely think that the game not having multiplayer will set it back and hurt it in terms of becoming a big new exclusive series for the Playstation brand.
I picked that game because it was a huge success that was a 3rd person action game that had MP put in that was based on shooting and nobody cared about it. They really didn't need to spend that money on MP, the single player component was strong enough to sell the game on it's own. The Uncharted games have MP, it's average at best and some people play it but I doubt many actually buy the games for the MP portion. Infamous has no MP and you shoot lasers or fireballs instead of guns but it has no MP and it's doing just fine. Just because a game is a cover based shooter doesn't mean it has to be put into a box where they all have to include the same content. It's a story driven game and they are going for a cinematic experience, it's not a MP focused game. I'm sure it'll do just fine without the message board whiners who say they are going to skip it, half of them probably don't even have a PS4 anyway.
My main reason for even bringing this whole thing up was a post in this thread that said single player only games aren't worth $60, that's just bulls***. Is the new Batman game not worth full price because there is no MP? doubtful, were the Elder Scrolls games not worth full price? was GTA not worth it until they added MP? it's a silly statement to make and one that's not true.
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But those games that you used as examples aren't of genres that are known for MP.
Haha, come on. It's perfectly fine for people to want MP in this game, especially with so many other games coming out soon. Whether or not they feel that it's worth a full $60 is their opinion.
No need to bring out "whiners" and "non-PS4 owners". I mean, thanks to the trends of last gen, MP is pretty much expected in a game like The Order for many people.
Visual is stunning, Not sold on gameplay yet. Looks linear, heavily scripted, but the visuals cannot be knocked.
People should expect MP when it's announced for a game, when it's said from the very beginning to be a single player only game than you shouldn't expect MP to be in it, it's just that simple. People shouldn't put every game that has a similar mechanic into the same box and if they do and they are disappointed when things don't go their way that's their problem.
It's like people being upset that there wasn't any single player in TF, trends are that every FPS has a single player story right? hell even BF added it in when that used to be a MP only game but did it hurt the sales of the game? nope. If the game is good and it clicks with people it will be a success, if there is something wrong with it and it flops that's because it wasn't up to snuff not because it didn't have MP.
It's like people being upset that there wasn't any single player in TF, trends are that every FPS has a single player story right? hell even BF added it in when that used to be a MP only game but did it hurt the sales of the game? nope. If the game is good and it clicks with people it will be a success, if there is something wrong with it and it flops that's because it wasn't up to snuff not because it didn't have MP.
Looks stunning, but it looks very scripted. Seems like a blend of real time and cut scenes. Don't care though as the end results speak for themselves, stunning.
Not really bothered about the lack of mp, prefer they make a great single player campaign.
Not really bothered about the lack of mp, prefer they make a great single player campaign.
Fantastic visuals. It's a shame wooden voice acting lets games down so often... still. The delivery of some of those lines made Gears look like Academy Award material.
It looks lovely, but the gameplay looks really generic right down to the "Here comes another one" prompt, which made me groan.
I'm still interested though, I don't mind if it's linear and story centric as long as the story is good. The setting, characters and potential for the story I'm still liking.
I'm getting pretty bored of delays though. DC, I:SS and now this (potentially). Yes I'd rather have a game when it's done, but these constant delays are getting annoying. DC alone is not enough first party for the rest of the year. Sony need to step it up in the first party dept. Let's hope E3 does that.
I'm still interested though, I don't mind if it's linear and story centric as long as the story is good. The setting, characters and potential for the story I'm still liking.
I'm getting pretty bored of delays though. DC, I:SS and now this (potentially). Yes I'd rather have a game when it's done, but these constant delays are getting annoying. DC alone is not enough first party for the rest of the year. Sony need to step it up in the first party dept. Let's hope E3 does that.
I'm sure they will have one or two more for this year. Maybe Last Guardian, it has been in development long enough.
But it had it. It may have been crap, but it had it.
Honestly, I do not understand the whole, "No MP, No Buy," mentality either. One of my most anticipated games( Murdered: Soul Suspect) does not have MP-as far as I know- and it looks worth every penny I will spend on it. We have to remeber though that we are talking about gamers here. Gamers have expectations. They have their own ideas as to what makes a game a complete game, and in today's world that means MP is a must.
In today's climate, where everything is expected to have an MP component (even if it's an afterthought), I am more likely to pay attention to a game if it doesn't have MP. That's because I assume they know, as developers, that everything rides on the quality of the SP experience, and that is where 100% of their focus and attention is going. Granted, I am mostly an SP gamer. The addition of MP is usually irrelevant for me. Sometimes I begrudge it, because it seems like it weakens the SP game. I know people insist they are separate pools of resources, and the addition of MP doesn't affect the quality of the SP game, but I just doubt that.
Anyhow, I've got no problems with them not including MP here. To me, that's a hopeful sign.
Anyhow, I've got no problems with them not including MP here. To me, that's a hopeful sign.
Let's hope the enemy AI actually moves in the finished product. Those two guys on the balcony when they're dragging that guy to safety. Lol
Visually it basically looks like a movie. Very impressive.
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Yes since everyone should and will follow up on the details of every game as soon as they get announced :|
It's not "their problem" it's simply what they expect especially after years of the feature(s) being the norm.
...And people were upset that it didn't have single player and refused to buy Titanfall due to it.
It didn't greatly hurt the sales of the games because the number of people who play these games only for MP are obviously greater than the number of people who play them only for SP. The reason why these games get played for months isn't due to people replaying SP over and over again.
No one is saying that The Order will flop. The game will more than likely sell well simply due to it being a new exclusive on a system that doesn't have a large library of games.
However, I don't see why it's so "controversial" to say that a game could have better sales potential if it featured modes that people expect.
Would it be controversial to say that a sports game won't get as many sales as it could have had if it didn't have online multiplayer? I mean again, these genres have been known for MP on consoles for almost a decade now. There's nothing wrong with the expectations.
The "No MP, No Buy" don't share the same opinions of gamers in general though, they are message board members who are generally far more into this stuff than the average gamer. Many of them seem to be the same crowd that say "No 60 fps No Buy" who are also hard to take seriously.
Sports games have had online MP for years and before that had local MP, the Order is a new IP and it's a single player only game so that comparison makes no sense at all.
TF sold just fine without the people who skipped it due to no single player, it didn't sell many systems but it sold a lot of copies of the game.
Again people shouldn't expect things because the game appears to have a similar mechanic to other titles, we have seen all of 4 minutes of footage of this game so far yet people seem so confident in saying what it should have and how it should be without really knowing anything other than you shoot people and get out of the way when they shoot back. If I had an idea for a game that I had been developing (the idea not the production) for 5 years and I had a clear vision of what I wanted that to be and I pitched it to a publisher and they agreed to finance it should I then completely alter my idea just to try to shoehorn something else in? Should content be purely based on the mechanics of the game vs the ideas/vision the creator had? that sounds like someone who would come up with a checklist of features first and then try to build a game around them instead of the other way around and that's how you ruin games, that's corporate thinking not creative thinking.
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I'm not one of those gamers who has the "no MP = no buy" mentality. There are games that are dedicated to MP and there are those who aren't. I don't know why every single game has to be MP. In the old days, games were solely SP and they were always a great experience. If you really need MP in every single game, I can understand that since some gamers just prefer playing online but that doesn't mean every single game should have one. If the developers decide to focus everything on the SP experience, by all means.
So all those people who said MP is really important, you guys every play any of these games? Final Fantasy series, Child of Light, Wolfenstein: the New Order, Transistor, Outlast, Daylight, Journey, Flower, Resogun, Contrast, Infamous: Second Son, Mario series, just off the top of my head, the list goes on.
None of those games have MP yet they are widely popular. The reason is because MP is not necessary in every game to deter from the great experience.
So all those people who said MP is really important, you guys every play any of these games? Final Fantasy series, Child of Light, Wolfenstein: the New Order, Transistor, Outlast, Daylight, Journey, Flower, Resogun, Contrast, Infamous: Second Son, Mario series, just off the top of my head, the list goes on.
None of those games have MP yet they are widely popular. The reason is because MP is not necessary in every game to deter from the great experience.
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Game is looking good. Was never super hyped for the game but if it turns out good then sign me up. Always looking forward to a game focused on a strong single player experience.
Now I'm confused. People on GAF fighting over gameplay and possible graphical downgrade, so they made this GIF (I do see a difference but isn't it due to the type of video...?):
And now the Shinobi guy is saying this:
It was not the greatest video quality. However, you can that the new footage is lacking a lot of detail that would have been visable despite that poor vid quality.
the developer already said that they used different suits because the new suits are what would make sense out on the field. if you look at the both builds you can see taht the new build has a lot more lighting and details like reflections and what not.
Now I'm confused. People on GAF fighting over gameplay and possible graphical downgrade, so they made this GIF (I do see a difference but isn't it due to the type of video...?):
And now the Shinobi guy is saying this:
You really think this is a downgrade? If someone told me it was CG, I'd believe them.
It's probably a different suit? It looks completely different from before.
I'd wait until we get some direct feeds first.
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Now I'm confused. People on GAF fighting over gameplay and possible graphical downgrade, so they made this GIF (I do see a difference but isn't it due to the type of video...?):
And now the Shinobi guy is saying this:
What is meant with all this?