Just to be sure... you're replying to one person, yet pointing a finger at everyone.
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Xbox One Hotchips revisited and XBox One Speculative discussion
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Just to be sure... you're replying to one person, yet pointing a finger at everyone.
Use reply quotes bro.
Either way, I could be wrong but it seems Puresoul is trying to say that even though the Ps4 has the more powerful GPU (essentially where everyone determines its power) that the X1 is built more efficiently and could prove to out perform the Ps4 is some areas. But I'd wager the Ps4 will do the same based on its architecture with some games too. Any one else agree with this mate?
Umm...I don't believe any of it, but I just wanted to point out that I don't think he's trying to make a case that they are separate components from the GPU, especially when he showed the slide of the GPU with them in it. I think he's trying to make a case that the "additions" he made to the diagram are just that, they are there in addition to what is already in the GPU. He seems to be saying that these components are part of the 15 special processors as sort of an assist to the GPU to help offload certain tasks. Again, I don't believe any of it, as I'm not inclined to agree with any of the internet, armchair "experts".
No, I'm quite specifically calling out multiple people. PS for his nonsense, and everyone else who claims that the "SDF bullies" are the ones saying he's wrong. No, he's wrong because he's wrong, and XB1 will be great enough without any of this culty wishful thinking.
No, those parts are in the GPU diagram because they're part of the GPU, not part of the "15 extra processors". He's pulled them out to show graphics power outside of the GPU, when they are in fact PART of the GPU. It's his attempt to lend credence to the notion that additional GPU power exists outside of the GPU. There is coprocessing that will help the overall system that sits outside the GPU. This does not mean anything like a dGPU, or separate ALUs sitting outside of the GPU all by their lonesome.
No, he's trying to say that the X1 is far more powerful than the PS4 because of some perceived magic he's derived from his misunderstanding of what's been said and shown to date.
With that said, I do agree with you; I believe that efficiencies in the overall X1 design will allow it to do some things better than the PS4, and the PS4 will still retain advantages in other areas. I think first party games from both manufacturers will be pretty great, and the X1 is just fine without keeping these silly notions of secret hardware alive.
And can't we find better things to get excited about with this system? How about talking about the efficiencies we know about, and trying to determine what the exact parts are we're missing, without it dissolving into a nonsensical fantasy fest? How many operations per core are there on the CPU? Do we know what? What additional stuff have they done at a hardware level beyond the stock AMD stuff? These are legit questions that people with real technical insight could help determine. Instead, we get this dGPU/20Tflop/secret-hardware garbage.
Dude relax a bit. I know those parts are in the GPU diagram because they're part of the GPU. I was merely making the point that I think he knows that at as well, somewhere in all the mess he posts. I don't think he's trying to "pull them out" in an effort to say their separate from the GPU and NOT part of it. I think he's trying to say that they are there in addition to the ones that already ARE part of the GPU.
I do agree that he is trying to contend that additional GPU/Graphics resources exist outside of the main GPU though. I'm not naïve enough to believe that there is a dGPU, or separate ALUs sitting outside the GPU, nor am I naïve enough to agree with much of anything he or most of the so called "experts" have to say on the issue. I'd also like to clarify that ultimately, I don't give a $#!* about the system's design as long as the games are fun to play.
Ya know the thing I hate most? We have to dig into things for power and the Sony FB's just say gddr5 and we can't even directly refute that. I have to say that if I am still gaming when the next gen comes out I may just give up altogether. This pointless bickering from both sides is tiresome. I hate all the bashing and digging at each other that this generation of gamers feel they need to do to make themselves feel better. :-(
Old One is saying what you just said. Most speculate that there is more to know about what exactly MS did that makes the X1 different that the sum of its paper spec parts. But how is where the wide debate comes from. Everyone in this thread is aware that the X1 is more, including Zomb, but the split is really between unknown details on process tasking and efficiency and specialized hardware shortcuts/enhancements versus hardware that is yet to be disclosed.
I fall more on the former side, but that there might very well be unknowns around the memory architecture and how they plan to use it. It is weird that they have both ESRAM and DDR broken into 4 distinct blocks bandwidth-wise. There is something going on there.
As for unknown CPU/GPU, etc., not so sure, but there is enough there that Pure touches on to raise some speculation between his troves of info and "insider" that does seem t go back reliably for what was previously provided over the last year. Who knows?!?
We are all on the same side here, but definitely balancing at different points on the beam.
Well it was one person going on about SDF bullies, one guy taking any of this seriously and everyone else pretty much in agreement with what you're saying.
Just sayin'
Old One is saying what you just said. Most speculate that there is more to know about what exactly MS did that makes the X1 different that the sum of its paper spec parts. But how is where the wide debate comes from. Everyone in this thread is aware that the X1 is more, including Zomb, but the split is really between unknown details on process tasking and efficiency and specialized hardware shortcuts/enhancements versus hardware that is yet to be disclosed.
I fall more on the former side, but that there might very well be unknowns around the memory architecture and how they plan to use it. It is weird that they have both ESRAM and DDR broken into 4 distinct blocks bandwidth-wise. There is something going on there.
As for unknown CPU/GPU, etc., not so sure, but there is enough there that Pure touches on to raise some speculation between his troves of info and "insider" that does seem t go back reliably for what was previously provided over the last year. Who knows?!?
We are all on the same side here, but definitely balancing at different points on the beam.
I don't really believe the X1 needs anything special as it seems to be keeping pace just fine now. Not to mention I have confidence that Microsoft planned accordingly for a decades' worth of power inside the X1 so no big deal there mate. I'm thinking it will be much like this gen, but honestly there's just no telling which way the tide will turn just yet. I'm happy with my purchase either way and have no regrets, no matter who brings the bigger GPU etc, etc...
Ha ha My predictions are so close
the X1 is a Beast
My prediction are 240W!!!
remember this
The reality from MS employeee reddit 225 Watt actual, 253 W PSU
18x12 = 220 + 5W = 225 Wattage
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1mku5n/any_know_the_xbox_one_power_supply_specs/
Still more than 135W or 100W ,
remember people that always said will be 100W, or recent fake chinese PSU (135W)
My 1st Prediction are basically true......, i keep saying it will be > 180W at least
the X1 is a Beast
My prediction are 240W!!!
remember this
The reality from MS employeee reddit 225 Watt actual, 253 W PSU
18x12 = 220 + 5W = 225 Wattage
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1mku5n/any_know_the_xbox_one_power_supply_specs/
Still more than 135W or 100W ,
remember people that always said will be 100W, or recent fake chinese PSU (135W)
My 1st Prediction are basically true......, i keep saying it will be > 180W at least
the 360 launch power supply had the continuous wattage draw of 245 watts....the 360 never went over 185 watts during gameplay.
Also Microsoft said the SoC is 100 watts, not random people.
Also isn't Kinect 2.0 powered through the xbox? I bet that thing sucks up a good amount of wattage seeing at the thing needs a vent fan on the back.
Also Microsoft said the SoC is 100 watts, not random people.
Also isn't Kinect 2.0 powered through the xbox? I bet that thing sucks up a good amount of wattage seeing at the thing needs a vent fan on the back.
No. In fact you cannot snap anything. Think of Windows 8 snap feature and the X1 allows you to do that in any combination.
Umm, the 250w power spec was common knowledge as of the FCC approval. The rating of the power supply has no bearing on what the expected wattage of the actual running parts will be, except that the parts obviously can't run higher than wattage provided by the power supply. So, nice try, but please, go back to the drawing board. This does not prove a single thing you've said, and the fact that you're clinging to this is sort of sad.
Not to mention the fact that if you ran it at 250W, you'd need a lot more fans.
Honestly, I can't see how you can look at this as proof of your other ridiculous claims, considering that this has been common knowledge for so long, that power supplies in devices are always rated higher than the device will actually run, and that MS has said they are running this device so as to be completely silent (and people have said that it actually is silent). The things you tell yourself boggle the mind.
Not to mention the fact that if you ran it at 250W, you'd need a lot more fans.
Honestly, I can't see how you can look at this as proof of your other ridiculous claims, considering that this has been common knowledge for so long, that power supplies in devices are always rated higher than the device will actually run, and that MS has said they are running this device so as to be completely silent (and people have said that it actually is silent). The things you tell yourself boggle the mind.
It's beyond me why this feature isn't being pumped up more. When I sit back and think about it...there is no way I would pick the system that couldn't do this over the one that could. Maybe it's because I'm older but it seems it will be the greatest friggen thing on Earth.
Showed me please when people talking 250W
they keep saying me it is 100W machine
picture wont lie to us
All Neogaf or Beyond keep saying X1 is entertainment
so it is 100W machine
Showed me a link from previous discussion that people talk about 250W !!!
Showed me Link on TXB/neogaf/Beyond
when people beleive it was 250W
the FCC is from PS4 not from X1 news
that's why people LOL at posiibility X1 is 200-220W
as they believe Yukon not in architectural level but on 100W thing
when even Yukon show SOC = 50W
When i propose since beginning about the wattage is > 200W
since wired teardown, but architecturally it is Yukon not Vgleak
the Mainboard + Blueray + everyhing else is <40 Watt (thats common knowledge at that time) and the idea that X1 is entertainment as they keep believing what is Yukon on wattage not Arch level.
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nobody ever said 100w machine. Everybody has said 100w SoC because Microsoft said 100watt SoC
then add whatever wattage the rest of the machine sucks up and then the wattage the Kinect 2.0 sucks up and you have your wattage for the machine.
then add whatever wattage the rest of the machine sucks up and then the wattage the Kinect 2.0 sucks up and you have your wattage for the machine.
Nah, it's totally because there's a second 50CU GPU there dude, the proof is in the games. Look at them 4k60fps standard.
This feature and TV integration had me from the start before even knowing of the games. They are features I want today and have wanted since Kinect 1 came out.