Can you link to any source whatsoever that supports the theory that the PS Pro CPU is customized at all, other than a straight upclock of the Jaguar that was in the PS4?
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Can you link to any source whatsoever that supports the theory that the PS Pro CPU is customized at all, other than a straight upclock of the Jaguar that was in the PS4?
I know it's just been 13 minutes since I asked if you could show me something that said that Sony did anything custom between the PS4 and PS4 Pro, but you can stop searching. Should have just checked DF:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...tation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine
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This is one of the advantages of MS being predominantly a software / OS company - they don't have to s*** their pants if they modify the hardware because they've got the software / OS below it all to make it work.
Jinca you are working really hard for Sony. What are the benefits you and your fellow soldiers get by wearing down forums with the message that Scorpio isn't much better than Pro? It seems like a lot of hard work and unlike everyone else who's talking about stuff they're excited or interested in, your role can't be that much fun. I just don't understand your purpose.
JinCA's been an ass to me, but to be fair, I don't think he's actually being a rabid or unreasonable nay-sayer.
He's said the Scorpio will be undeniably more powerful on every level over the Pro.
He's said that he's probably going to get a Scorpio.
Nothing he's said is unrealistically harsh or unfair.
Is he MAYBE downplaying Scorpio's advantages? Well, maybe, but not by all that much (if at all), because we really are getting to a world of diminishing returns. Dev/Art quality will provide a significantly bigger gap in real-world results than the raw power gap between PS4 Pro and Scorpio.
That said, anyone who's cared about/noticed the performance gulf between PS4 vanilla and Xbox One should care about/notice the difference between PS4 Pro and Scorpio at least as much, if not more (on high-end A/V rigs which would showcase the differences well).
For those of us whom haven't cared as much about such visual nuances (like myself) and who've felt like there isn't a meaningful gap between PS4 and Xbox One to begin with, well, Scorpio and Pro will still be very comparable in terms of the experiences they can deliver. The DF comparisons will be fun, and should always illustrate the clear advantages Scorpio will enjoy across the board, but at the end of the day - Battlefront II will be Battlefront II, and it'll look great on either machine... but it'll have a demonstrable edge on Scorpio.
How big that edge is, and how much people care about it? All subjective, and open to personal interpretation.
So I think JinCA's actually being responsibly metered in his excitement, and I don't think he's being unrealistically 'negative', or 'pro-Sony' TBH.
At this point we don't need to compare the PS Pro to the Scorpio. If we can all agree that this is newer technology that's passed up old technology, there's no need to look back. Other than the three usual suspects in this forum nobody else is interested in going that route and the only thing we get from those discussions is system wars crap! Mods should agree to ban that stuff. Unless we are running benchmarks of Pro versus Scorpio to gain some relative understanding, there is no reason for it to be mentioned in this discussion anymore. Bringing up the pro does nothing to help me understand what the Scorpio is capable of unless we see them both running the exact same games on a 4K TV.
Edit: I have a Pro and think it's a fine value. Nothing horribly wrong with it. Just like with most technology it's far more exciting to talk about the new thing which is really the purpose of this thread.
Yeah, I get that OneBadMutha, and I feel mostly the same. We know Scorpio beats Pro on every level (in terms of specs), so not much to argue/discuss.
That said, I do think there's a valid conversation to be had about what that extra power will amount to... but (as you correctly pointed out), until we have benchmarks with real-world comparisons, the conversations are really too speculative for my tastes.
If I were one to jump in on the speculation, I'd say a reasonable expectation is that we'll see better textures/details on Scorpio titles (due to the extra RAM) which will be somewhat reminiscent of the gap we had between X360 and PS3 early in the lifecycle (given 360 had EDRAM and more usable memory for its titles), and in terms of resolution/performance differences, we should expect something similar to X1vsPS4, but (if anything) a bit wider of gap on both accounts.
Will that mean CB vs. native 4k in most cases? Better FPS? A jump from 30fps to 60fps? All speculation at this point... but I think we should expect at least 40% real-world perf improvement on Scorpio over PS4 Pro, and we should expect PC-ULTRA textures/a noticeable improvement on textures over PS4 Pro versions, given the massive boost in available RAM.
That said, I do think there's a valid conversation to be had about what that extra power will amount to... but (as you correctly pointed out), until we have benchmarks with real-world comparisons, the conversations are really too speculative for my tastes.
If I were one to jump in on the speculation, I'd say a reasonable expectation is that we'll see better textures/details on Scorpio titles (due to the extra RAM) which will be somewhat reminiscent of the gap we had between X360 and PS3 early in the lifecycle (given 360 had EDRAM and more usable memory for its titles), and in terms of resolution/performance differences, we should expect something similar to X1vsPS4, but (if anything) a bit wider of gap on both accounts.
Will that mean CB vs. native 4k in most cases? Better FPS? A jump from 30fps to 60fps? All speculation at this point... but I think we should expect at least 40% real-world perf improvement on Scorpio over PS4 Pro, and we should expect PC-ULTRA textures/a noticeable improvement on textures over PS4 Pro versions, given the massive boost in available RAM.
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I come here for the breakdown of the articles and Rollins rumors. Everything else just pisses me off. Lol
Seriously though, can we just have a separate thread somewhere on the site for Pro versus Scorpio discussion? I know there's a large segment of people itching to speculate about Xbox end of days and last stand. They can do that there.
Seriously though, can we just have a separate thread somewhere on the site for Pro versus Scorpio discussion? I know there's a large segment of people itching to speculate about Xbox end of days and last stand. They can do that there.
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Only an overly sensitive fanboy takes what I said as saying it isn't much better than Pro, the GPU is quite a bit better, the difference isn't as big as the difference between the GPU's in the OG PS4 and the Pro but it's still pretty significant, the CPU likely not so much but the advantages across the board are for Scorpio.
Again you are too sensitive, when I talk Pro vs Scorpio it's not to say which is better because the clear winner in specs is Scorpio, any comparison is made to help keep expectations in check because they are going to be the two most alike gaming hardware set ups available when Scorpio launches. Again just so your feelings aren't hurt lol Scorpio is stronger all around, nobody is saying otherwise.
As far as a gossip column maybe that should be a separate thread since most of that stuff is false anyway.
Sorry I kept you waiting for something you asked for, I've failed at my mission in life. All of these consoles use customized versions of the cpu and gpu they aren't using off the shelf parts.
I'm not sensitive. You're simply off topic, exhausting and annoying. You're quoting nearly every post in this thread and half the time you're referring back to the Pro. Honestly you and to a lesser extent a couple others have severely reduced the quality of this forum and if the mods don't start moderating, you, KB and Val will be the only ones left posting here.
Any more talk on this being called Xbox One X? I'm not feeling it. Maybe just call it One X or Triple X
Xbox Elite has my vote
I think that statement says it all. I don't really think you have a bad attitude or anything, but then I just have never understood why anyone feels that this role you have described should be their job. I mean, I guess It's a noble thought to try to make sure people aren't setting their expectations too high, but then again, nobody is really asking for a hype-checker, either.
I've been watching the posts in this thread. While Jin is downplaying Scorpio's advantage over the PS4 Pro, in my opinion, he hasn't done anything that would warrant a ban, warning, or anything. The last thread got out of hand. This thread isnt like that's. Also, OBM, the ignore feature on this site is amazing. It blocks the person and also locks their being quoted.
Any more talk on this being called Xbox One X? I'm not feeling it. Maybe just call it One X or Triple X
I'm rolling with Xbox Infinity. Generations are dead to Microsoft.
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Kinda similar to Comcast Xfinity though. And you know they'll get accused of trying to take over cable television again or something. So probably not.
I really can't wait to see what Rare is able to harness with the Scorpio.
I want a Perfect Dark game.
I want a Perfect Dark game.
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