Sony on Backwards Compatibility

Mcmasters said:
Over half of this post in conjecture - bulls*** as it were. And be realistic, I'd never be behind you, not in this life time. Maybe in SPD but thats about it. Tell you what...

I'm going to make a prediction. I'm betting Scorpio will will indeed be the defacto console when it releases due to its power. It's going to sell a plethora of units and close the gap in the US and UK at the very least. I'm also betting there will be more AAA exclusives that will become the norm on Xbox from here on out. Good to great ones that coincide with Gears, Halo, Forza and BC. I'm also betting BC will be an even much bigger deal simply because of Scorpio - morseo than it is on Xbox One. And finally, I'm betting Sony will feel the pressure from Scorpio sales, caught unaware by console sold from Microsofts hardware and software announcements. In my opinion, I believe Microsoft has hit the nail on the head this go 'round and it'll show - shockingly to some. Until then, I hear M. Night is casting for SPLIT 2. Don't say I never did anything for ya. ;)
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"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - Winston Churchill

I would love it if you're right but I think we too often fail to realize that people like us, are the exact demographic that is most influenced by Scorpio marketing.
 
JinCA said:
We are 3.5 years into this generation, why are people even still talking about BC? I've played all of the games from last gen I wanted to play and I played many of them more than once. I already said before it's a nice bonus to have if you can have it but it's not something that makes a big deal to me, especially this far into a generation. I have over 50 games loaded on my PS4, I'm not hurting for things to play.
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  1. Out of 1000s of games, not everyone played everything they might enjoy from last gen
  2. Some people like playing their favorite games again...especially if time has lapsed
  3. Some people would like to play their favorite games with better performance
  4. Games that weren't worth a $60 cost and were therefore skipped may be worth $5 to $10 now...or be worth a shot when they're free with GWG
  5. It's easier to give certain games a shot when they're cheap and can be accessed digitially
  6. Elite Mutha F'n controller!...can't play Dark Souls without it
 
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  1. Out of 1000s of games, not everyone played everything they might enjoy from last gen
  2. Some people like playing their favorite games again...especially if time has lapsed
  3. Some people would like to play their favorite games with better performance
  4. Games that weren't worth a $60 cost and were therefore skipped may be worth $5 to $10 now...or be worth a shot when they're free with GWG
  5. It's easier to give certain games a shot when they're cheap and can be accessed digitially
  6. Elite Mutha F'n controller!...can't play Dark Souls without it
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Easy answer here, we were told before the PS4 launched it wouldn't be BC, if you want those games play them on your PS3. If someone traded it in knowing BC wouldn't be a thing that's on them, if the console doesn't work anymore they can always buy a used one.
 
Mcmasters said:
With Xbox One, BC games typically have visual improvements, better controller, better online functionality, better chat and group options, better DVR screenshot and recording functions etc. It's not just the games themselves. There are many benefits to BC on X1 - not just the games exclusively.
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Again they are OLD games, I have a ton of games already so at least for me it's not an issue not being able to go back. We are over 3.5 years into this gen, if you can't find enough current games to keep you happy that means you have a problem with your current console. BC is a nice bonus feature but it's not a big deal IMO. The fact is we all knew before we bought these new machines that they wouldn't play older games, people can't complain about it when they knew it going in, yes MS changed their tune later on but they were up front about it too before the consoles launched. People upset about it should have kept their old consoles in a box somewhere if they were that worried about it.
 
JinCA said:
We are 3.5 years into this generation, why are people even still talking about BC? I've played all of the games from last gen I wanted to play and I played many of them more than once. I already said before it's a nice bonus to have if you can have it but it's not something that makes a big deal to me, especially this far into a generation. I have over 50 games loaded on my PS4, I'm not hurting for things to play.
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Nor everyone has played those games. Giving Lost Odyssey free last Christmas would have introduced a lot of new people to it. Plus not having to swap between 4 discs would have made many happy.

Being able to play them as well as Xbox one titles on one console is great. My 360 has been packed away for a couple years now.
I like to reply games now and then but I'm in no way struggling for Xbox one games.

I mean why bother with remakes? Might as well ignore them.
Halo MCC, Wipeout, Crash, last of us, DR collection....

It all comes down to choice and choice is great and both consoles have it.
 
TDbank24 said:
Exactlyyy. Talking about narrative changes and all that, lol. Xbox fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world. It's sickening at this point.
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I think the accurate way of saying this is that people who believe either MS fans or Sony fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world are the biggest hypocrites in the world.
 
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Also funny coming from the guy who jumps back and forth between companies.

Sometimes back and forth on the same day
 
The Wolf King said:
Nor everyone has played those games. Giving Lost Odyssey free last Christmas would have introduced a lot of new people to it. Plus not having to swap between 4 discs would have made many happy.

Being able to play them as well as Xbox one titles on one console is great. My 360 has been packed away for a couple years now.
I like to reply games now and then but I'm in no way struggling for Xbox one games.

I mean why bother with remakes? Might as well ignore them.
Halo MCC, Wipeout, Crash, last of us, DR collection....

It all comes down to choice and choice is great and both consoles have it.
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As I said it's a nice bonus feature but it's not something to lose sleep over if it's not there, especially when we were told before hand that it wouldn't happen. Going forward with a bigger focus on digital and architectures being a bit more traditional vs the fully custom stuff we used to have it may be a more realistic expectation with the next round of consoles.

All of your points are valid but at the same time how many people actually truly go back and play those games? even MS's best case stats show a huge drop in the use of BC as time has gone on. As far as the remakes, those actually get true visual upgrades etc and they give people a shot at playing a better version of the old game not something that looks 10 years old on a machine they just paid $400 or more for to get new experiences.
 
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JinCA said:
Easy answer here, we were told before the PS4 launched it wouldn't be BC, if you want those games play them on your PS3. If someone traded it in knowing BC wouldn't be a thing that's on them, if the console doesn't work anymore they can always buy a used one.
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Yeah. Just hook up your PS3 if you miss it. Online play is still free so you don't need an active PS plus subscription. I'm not a PS+ subscriber but a month ago I was thirsty for multiplayer action so I popped in my black ops disc and saw there was about 20,000 people on it. s*** i was quite surprised to see there was 500 people playing f***ing "Warhawk". I thought the servers would be dead by now.
 
JinCA said:
Easy answer here, we were told before the PS4 launched it wouldn't be BC, if you want those games play them on your PS3. If someone traded it in knowing BC wouldn't be a thing that's on them, if the console doesn't work anymore they can always buy a used one.
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Having games that perform better tied into the current gen ecosystem with the current gen elite controller all makes a difference. Not to mention these games are borderline free these days and in many cases are free.

I actually do have my 360 around for NCAA football but it makes a difference flipping through my digital library to play games on Xbox one versus the 360. Guess you have to be there.

Not understanding why some of you are downplaying this so hard. I didn't ask for it but now that I have it, I don't want to give it back.
 
JinCA said:
As I said it's a nice bonus feature but it's not something to lose sleep over if it's not there, especially when we were told before hand that it wouldn't happen. Going forward with a bigger focus on digital and architectures being a bit more traditional vs the fully custom stuff we used to have it may be a more realistic expectation with the next round of consoles. All of your points are valid but at the same time how many people actually truly go back and play those games? even MS's best case stats show a huge drop in the use of BC as time has gone on. As far as the remakes, those actually get true visual upgrades etc and they give people a shot at playing a better version of the old game not something that looks 10 years old on a machine they just paid $400 or more for to get new experiences.
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Why do people who like to read go back and re-read the same book again ? Why do people go back and re watch the same movie they have already seen 10 times ? I loved the fact that when I purchased gears of war 4, it came with all the old versions as well. I never got around to playing judgment or gears 3 . I played through both games right after I finished gears of war 4. It was great .

Also battfield 3 was my favorite one of the series . Loved the fact that I was able to jump right back on line and play it with my elite controller . Me and my group of friends I play competitive shooters with have already logged over 50 hours . We all said damn , just like old times , forgot how much better his game was verses the new ones . .Same thing with blops 2 . By far the best one of the series . It's been a complete joy to get to log in and play the Hell out of it again, especially with the elite and not have to pull my 360 back out of the closet and have a cluttered desk . being able to stream as well is great too . BC has been great experience so far for me and many others as well .
 
BC isn't a big deal in itself; it's a big deal (I mean, it's made a big deal of) because it's a differentiator. It's something the Xbox has that the PS does not (unless you count PS Now or PS2 on PS4). Xbox guys love to talk about it, because it's something that puts them above Sony, and they like that. They don't have a lot they can lord over Sony -- you can only talk about the elite controller so long before it gets boring -- but BC is something they've got that Sony doesn't. So, BC is on the front lines of the console war.

It's not a big deal because it exists -- it's a big deal because it's a differentiator.

Once Scorpio hits, Xbox guys will have something else, and something much better, to lord over Sony. At that point, BC will go to the back burner (where imo it belongs). All the talk will be focused on current gen game visuals and performance and how critically important that is.
 
Mcmasters said:
I'm going to make a prediction. I'm betting Scorpio will will indeed be the defacto console when it releases due to its power.
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Are you saying you think Scorpio will be the "defacto console of choice," i.e., the most popular and best-selling console? That it will sell better than Xbox One, base PS4, and Switch?

If so, are you talking about just US/UK, or the world? And are you talking about the month or two after launch or something more sustained?

It's going to sell a plethora of units and close the gap in the US and UK at the very least.
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I think that's sort of expected. If it doesn't do that, it'll probably be considered a disappointment. US gap is only about 2 million. Scorpio ought to make a big enough splash to at least bring it even with PS in its strongest territories. It may take a year or so, but it should get there and presumably overtake it a little bit, by the time the PS5 rolls out.
 
Andy said:
BC isn't a big deal in itself; it's a big deal (I mean, it's made a big deal of) because it's a differentiator. It's something the Xbox has that the PS does not (unless you count PS Now or PS2 on PS4). Xbox guys love to talk about it, because it's something that puts them above Sony, and they like that. They don't have a lot they can lord over Sony -- you can only talk about the elite controller so long before it gets boring -- but BC is something they've got that Sony doesn't. So, BC is on the front lines of the console war.

It's not a big deal because it exists -- it's a big deal because it's a differentiator.

Once Scorpio hits, Xbox guys will have something else, and something much better, to lord over Sony. At that point, BC will go to the back burner (where imo it belongs). All the talk will be focused on current gen game visuals and performance and how critically important that is.
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I talk about BC and Elite Controller because they're good. I talk about Last of Us and The Show because they're good. I like to talk about stuff in gaming that's good.

I also talk about how much worse Microsoft's 1st party is than it was 8 years ago because I want them to do better. I talk about the lack of an Elite controller equivalent on PS4 because I want one and want Sony to do better.

I like talking about my opinions on gaming. What's great and what's not. What's exciting and what frustrates me. That's why we're all in the forums...right?

Both consoles are really affordable. Both have their ups and downs. Neither deserves to be evangelized.
 
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I talk about BC and Elite Controller because they're good. I talk about Last of Us and The Show because they're good. I like to talk about stuff in gaming that's good.

I also talk about how much worse Microsoft's 1st party is than it was 8 years ago because I want them to do better. I talk about the lack of an Elite controller equivalent on PS4 because I want one and want Sony to do better.

I like talking about my opinions on gaming. What's great and what's not. What's exciting and what frustrates me. That's why we're all in the forums...right?

Both consoles are really affordable. Both have their ups and downs. Neither deserves to be evangelized.
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Yeah, not singling you out, just talking about the way console wars work.
 
Entreri804 said:
Why do people who like to read go back and re-read the same book again ? Why do people go back and re watch the same movie they have already seen 10 times ? I loved the fact that when I purchased gears of war 4, it came with all the old versions as well. I never got around to playing judgment or gears 3 . I played through both games right after I finished gears of war 4. It was great .

Also battfield 3 was my favorite one of the series . Loved the fact that I was able to jump right back on line and play it with my elite controller . Me and my group of friends I play competitive shooters with have already logged over 50 hours . We all said damn , just like old times , forgot how much better his game was verses the new ones . .Same thing with blops 2 . By far the best one of the series . It's been a complete joy to get to log in and play the Hell out of it again, especially with the elite and not have to pull my 360 back out of the closet and have a cluttered desk . being able to stream as well is great too . BC has been great experience so far for me and many others as well .
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Again if you kept your original console you would always have the option to play it, comparing books and movies aren't the same as games. Reading a book doesn't require compatible new hardware to work with old books, movies will always work as long as you have a player that supports the format, same as a gaming console. If your console supports those particular games you are fine, if it doesn't well you choose to keep both machines. Playing on a higher end version of a controller that most people don't own is more of a outlier, the game is no better or worse because of the controller you are using that's just a preference thing.

I have over 50 games on my PS4 Pro (external HDD) if the next PlayStation doesn't play those games I can't be mad, I was never told up front that the games would work with new products, they are games made for the PS4 and that's the only machine I really have a right to expect them to be compatible with. Would I like it if they did work? yeah I think it'd be great but if it doesn't I can always just keep my PS4 Pro and play on that.
 
Andy said:
Are you saying you think Scorpio will be the "defacto console of choice," i.e., the most popular and best-selling console? That it will sell better than Xbox One, base PS4, and Switch?

If so, are you talking about just US/UK, or the world? And are you talking about the month or two after launch or something more sustained?



I think that's sort of expected. If it doesn't do that, it'll probably be considered a disappointment. US gap is only about 2 million. Scorpio ought to make a big enough splash to at least bring it even with PS in its strongest territories. It may take a year or so, but it should get there and presumably overtake it a little bit, by the time the PS5 rolls out.
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I don't think that'll happen to be honest, it would have to double Sony's sales every month for quite a while to do that and I just don't see that happening. MS doesn't even expect Scorpio to be it's best selling console (at least that's what they say) and being that there are going to be cheaper options for both Xbox and PlayStation I have a hard time seeing it overtake Sony in NA or the UK. It'll surely sell well for the first few months, thing is that'll be the holiday season and PlayStation sales will be up as well. It's not impossible but with Sony having some really big games coming out in the next year or so and MS recent releases of their biggest franchises failing to really push sales of the Xbox One I just don't see MS keeping any momentum once the launch rush is over.
 
OneBadMutha said:
Having games that perform better tied into the current gen ecosystem with the current gen elite controller all makes a difference. Not to mention these games are borderline free these days and in many cases are free.

I actually do have my 360 around for NCAA football but it makes a difference flipping through my digital library to play games on Xbox one versus the 360. Guess you have to be there.

Not understanding why some of you are downplaying this so hard. I didn't ask for it but now that I have it, I don't want to give it back.
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It's not downplaying, I said it's a nice bonus but it's not a big deal. As I said I already played all of those old games that I wanted to play, there are plenty of new games I have already purchased and new ones coming soon that will take up all the time I have for gaming without worrying about going back to games that are 3-11 years old.
 
Funny how the usual anti-MS guys downplay Xbox BC.

Where were they when Sony announced PS2 and PS3 systems having BC, PS4 PS Now streaming, and endless remasters of last gen games. And with PS2 and PS3 it was even worse because they baked in the old chipsets from last gen which means the system's price got inflated.

So for those Sony gamers buying the models that had BC, you PAID FOR IT, even if you never use it to play old Tekken and Crash Bandicoot games.

It's not like MS is forcing gamers to pay an extra $50 for a console or Gold for a feature only some people will use.

It's a free feature where many games from last gen work. Some games work, some don't. Some gamers will use BC (like me whose played CoD WaW, BO and BO2 and a handful of small scale games), and some gamers with X1 won't use it at all.

Amazing how some people downplay a free and optional feature.

If this feature was on PS4, Sony gamers would be drooling. No different than EA Access. A good optional subscription for X1 gamers. Since it's not on PS4, it some reason sucks and PS Now is great. Even Sony badmouthed EA Access. lol
 
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JinCA said:
It's not downplaying, I said it's a nice bonus but it's not a big deal. As I said I already played all of those old games that I wanted to play, there are plenty of new games I have already purchased and new ones coming soon that will take up all the time I have for gaming without worrying about going back to games that are 3-11 years old.
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Whoever said BC is a huge deal? It never has been. That's why Sony has done it before many times and then phases it out on later models.

However, it's a good free and optional feature on X1.
 
JinCA said:
I have over 50 games on my PS4 Pro (external HDD) if the next PlayStation doesn't play those games I can't be mad, I was never told up front that the games would work with new products, they are games made for the PS4 and that's the only machine I really have a right to expect them to be compatible with. Would I like it if they did work? yeah I think it'd be great but if it doesn't I can always just keep my PS4 Pro and play on that.
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Endless Jinca anti-MS posts, and voila..... a big stash of Sony products. What a surprise. lol

Hey Jinca, at least don't make it so obvious next time. lol

If you don't want PS5 to allow your existing PS4 games to work, that's you. If you prefer to play PS4 games on another piece of hardware taking up space as opposed to trading it in for some money and playing them on a new PS system for convenience, again that's you.

But of course you support this model, since PS4 and PS4 Pro don't allow BC, while X1 allows BC with about 400 games with a free and optional BC feature they added. So to put up a brave face, of course you downplay X1 BC and support PS4/PS4 Pro not allowing BC.
 
Andy said:
BC isn't a big deal in itself; it's a big deal (I mean, it's made a big deal of) because it's a differentiator. It's something the Xbox has that the PS does not (unless you count PS Now or PS2 on PS4). Xbox guys love to talk about it, because it's something that puts them above Sony, and they like that. They don't have a lot they can lord over Sony -- you can only talk about the elite controller so long before it gets boring -- but BC is something they've got that Sony doesn't. So, BC is on the front lines of the console war.

It's not a big deal because it exists -- it's a big deal because it's a differentiator.

Once Scorpio hits, Xbox guys will have something else, and something much better, to lord over Sony. At that point, BC will go to the back burner (where imo it belongs). All the talk will be focused on current gen game visuals and performance and how critically important that is.
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Things can also be minimized because its not on the other console.

To me BC is a cool feature. But Im pretty selective with the games that I revisit.
 
Dno69 said:
Things can also be minimized because its not on the other console.

To me BC is a cool feature. But Im pretty selective with the games that I revisit.
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I bet any money PS5 will allow PS4 games.

Will be interesting to see what Sony gamer reactions are when it's announced.

Just watch. Suddenly PS4 BC will be a fantastic feature...... "Hmmm.... I guess BC is pretty good after all like X1 had".

Of course they will only say this when it's a feature supported in PS5.

According to the current state, it shouldn't be a big deal. And if Sony actually cuts off PS4 BC support, it should be a non-issue. Therefore, to save time and money, Sony should really just axe PS4 BC in PS5.
 
Can we all agree that no matter which console you own that they each have more games than you could possibly play and that we all have backlogs as it is. Game count quantity is an irrelevant listwar topic and game count quality is a subjective one.
 
JinCA said:
It's not downplaying, I said it's a nice bonus but it's not a big deal. As I said I already played all of those old games that I wanted to play, there are plenty of new games I have already purchased and new ones coming soon that will take up all the time I have for gaming without worrying about going back to games that are 3-11 years old.
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In the end, it's not a make or break feature. It's nice...similar to having access to all the international niche stuff that barely sells in the US. It's not going to drastically change the platform for the average gamer but it's really important to a minority and a nice-to-have for everyone else. I've gotten more out of it than I expected but wouldn't be crying about it if it wasn't there. Again there's over 1k games on both platforms. I don't understand how people ever are in a state of "have no games" on either platform. Been gaming regularly since Atari and I have never seen more choices or more content for your dollar than there is now on both platforms.
 
Dno69 said:
Things can also be minimized because its not on the other console.
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Sure, that's right. I focused more on the Xbox side of the equation, because I think it's more a priority for the Xbox console warrior types, because there isn't a whole lot to choose from, whereas Sony console warriors have more/better choices in what to feel superior about (sales, game catalog, exclusives). But no doubt the console warrioring goes both ways.

I see it as a nice addition. I would probably, over the course of a generation, play 1 or 2 BC titles during slow periods, if they were available. I've got too much of a backlog of current gen games to fuss about it, though. I'm not big on replaying games, and most of the games I would want to replay have gotten superior remastered versions (e.g., Uncharted, TLoU).
 
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I don't think that'll happen to be honest, it would have to double Sony's sales every month for quite a while to do that and I just don't see that happening. MS doesn't even expect Scorpio to be it's best selling console (at least that's what they say) and being that there are going to be cheaper options for both Xbox and PlayStation I have a hard time seeing it overtake Sony in NA or the UK. It'll surely sell well for the first few months, thing is that'll be the holiday season and PlayStation sales will be up as well. It's not impossible but with Sony having some really big games coming out in the next year or so and MS recent releases of their biggest franchises failing to really push sales of the Xbox One I just don't see MS keeping any momentum once the launch rush is over.
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Hm, maybe you're right. I just did some quick math. If there's a 2 million gap in the US, MS would have to outsell Sony by 83,000 every month for two years straight, to close that gap.
 
Andy said:
Sure, that's right. I focused more on the Xbox side of the equation, because I think it's more a priority for the Xbox console warrior types, because there isn't a whole lot to choose from, whereas Sony console warriors have more/better choices in what to feel superior about (sales, game catalog, exclusives). But no doubt the console warrioring goes both ways.

I see it as a nice addition. I would probably, over the course of a generation, play 1 or 2 BC titles during slow periods, if they were available. I've got too much of a backlog of current gen games to fuss about it, though. I'm not big on replaying games, and most of the games I would want to replay have gotten superior remastered versions (e.g., Uncharted, TLoU).
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I mainly keep it to classics or personal classics. Or maybe something that slipped through the cracks.
 
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Hm, maybe you're right. I just did some quick math. If there's a 2 million gap in the US, MS would have to outsell Sony by 83,000 every month for two years straight, to close that gap.
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Yeah even when the X1 has outsold the PS4 a few times it always ends up giving back any ground they've made in the following months. I do think X1 combined with Scorpio sales will probably win this holiday season over PS4/Pro but it won't be by much as long as Sony has deals that are aggressive. It'll be interesting to see how far into next year that goes if it happens.
 
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Yeah even when the X1 has outsold the PS4 a few times it always ends up giving back any ground they've made in the following months. I do think X1 combined with Scorpio sales will probably win this holiday season over PS4/Pro but it won't be by much as long as Sony has deals that are aggressive. It'll be interesting to see how far into next year that goes if it happens.
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it never outsold it in ww monthly numbers.
 
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