its Kool but not as Kool as having great current lineups and I can't say it enough...
Most people can play 360 games on there pc's,usually cheaper and in many cases people can improve it much better.
Sony on Backwards Compatibility
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its Kool but not as Kool as having great current lineups and I can't say it enough...
Most people can play 360 games on there pc's,usually cheaper and in many cases people can improve it much better.
Yeah, we were talking about whether it would close the gap in the US/UK. I think it's obvious it'll never close the WW gap.
Right but I am bringing attention to almost 4 years PS4 never losing a month to XBO.
That's pretty big for PS4.
I agree with him."When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much," says Ryan. "That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"
http://time.com/4804768/playstation-...ro-psvr-sales/
So... is PS Now pointless Jim??
Plus it's very clear that bc has worked very well for MS
You say it ispretty clear it worked for MS but I have no clue what you are looking at to make that statement.
MS released numbers of total time spent playing BC games and its over 500 hours from over 50% off Xbox gamers
I bet you any amount of money that the actual percentage of games putting in significant time on BC games is low to mid single digits.
s***, those stats alone tell you everything...10 million gamers cojld only muster a measly 500 hours playtime.
Seems Jim is right, highly requested but barely used.
I bet you any amount of money that the actual percentage of games putting in significant time on BC games is low to mid single digits.
s***, those stats alone tell you everything...10 million gamers cojld only muster a measly 500 hours playtime.
That's 500m
Would not have mattered. The Xbox 360 library + limited compatible Xbox library is still larger than PS1+PS2+PS3 combined...but not by much.
Very interesting to see how this topic shifted to sales over library size....but i'm unsurprised. Xbox is becoming top dog in the power "race" and is increasing it's library faster then you can say "Vita port".
2m is nothing. Any decently launched console with a iota of hype can do that. Switch was poor, launched in March on the strength of a WiiU port and did half that. I think the WiiU did 850K in it's first 6 weeks. All Scorpio has to do is make 1080p owners feel last gen and get 5% of the Xbone userbase to trade up , which won't be too hard as we enter year 5 of this one. I can't really see the PS4 being top dog for 6-8 more years especially sinces it's no longer at the top of the tech pile, 1 more maybe...but thats all the lead Scorpio needs to become unassailable.
Console exclusive = 3DS/Vita/Switch/ PC version?
You should also know there is another console that plays Vita games
Numerics
(sorted via NA release date)
PS4 games released in 2017 so far - 119 titles
Xbox One games released in 2017 so far - 175 titles
360 games made compatible with Xbox One in 2017 - 80 titles
Conclusions
255> 119
I personally don't mind if someone dismisses BC games, but as long as people keep mentioning PS1/2/3/Vita ports on PS4 and 3DS/WiiU ports to Switch as part of the lineup, Xbox will represent theirs.
As for indies, this is coming to Xbox One very soon. Observe the number of titles....and run away.
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That was based on McMaster's predictions.
Ok. My initial thought was that would be minimal expectations for success -- that Scorpio would help MS close the gap in US/UK. JinCA's comment made me uncertain. But maybe they will.
Note that we're not talking about 2 million raw sales. We're talking about 2 million more than the other guy.
'Course not. The gen isn't going to last for more than another 3 years.
Well, fair point, I shouldn't have said "console exclusive." I did clarify that I meant it appeared on one platform (PS, Xbox) and not the other. That's a mouthful to keep repeating, so I used "console exclusive" as shorthand. I agree, that's an inaccurate label for some of the games listed there, which also appear on Switch/3DS. But it's a reasonable way to make the PS vs. Xbox count, which is what interested me.
There's no way for me to recheck your counts (peer-review, as Kassen would say), because -- well, first, your links go to the wrong pages, but more important, you'd have to check each of the 3 major territories individually and compare/contrast the games lists. Did you do that? Probably not. I'm guessing like most Xbox guys, you just clicked on the North America list and forgot about the rest of the world. Besides, wiki entries are typically full of mistakes. So, I don't know.
Anyhow, I don't count BC titles. "Games released in 2017" shouldn't include "games released 10 years ago." They weren't part of the original statement, either.
Run away? lol. eeek!
Should be doable. Despite the launch of the PS4 slim and the Pro and Sony dropping the price, they were neck a neck last quarter and they really shouldn't have been.
I've fixed the link. I can do a recount seperated by region, but i'm not going to compare which was released in what and what wasn't.
**Edit - Releases up to June 9th
Xbox One
US/NTSC- 175
PAL/EU - 169
JAPAN -133
Average (/3) = 159 games
PS4
US/NTSC - 119
PAL/EU - 126
JAPAN - 84
Average (/3) = 109.67 games
If that applies to all software available on previous hardware across all systems, then that's fair. I don't know how that applies to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Wipeout Collection.
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Gamespot's list, up to date as of June 9th:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/every-game-release-date-in-2017/1100-6446643/
Results:
Appearing on PS4 but not on Xbox One: 43
Appearing on Xbox One but not PS4: 9
Add the ones appearing on both to get a full count.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/every-game-release-date-in-2017/1100-6446643/
Results:
Appearing on PS4 but not on Xbox One: 43
Appearing on Xbox One but not PS4: 9
Add the ones appearing on both to get a full count.
This is a very interesting discussion. There are about 60 million PS4's on planet earth and about 30 million XBO's. The PS4 has relavency to developers in the east, the XBO does not. Yet people are suggesting that the XBO is getting more developer support moving forward when compared to Sony's PS4?
Where is the logic coming from?
Where is the logic coming from?
Well, what I am seeing is this. Now this is just me noticing things. So I watch Major Nelson's site daily. And he always posts new games that are coming out every day. So lets take this week for example.
Here are some games Major Nelson announced for release this week:
A Hole New World
Kholat
Prison Architect All Day Psych
Bridge Constructor
Jump Stars
ACA Neo Geo
Digerati Bundle
Perception
Super Beat
Zazen
Refunct
Little Nightmares
Neighborhorde
The Town of Light
Plutobi
Dirt 4
Morrowind
So I look at those as being released this week, then I look to see if they have already been released on the PS4 on a previous date, and the majority of the time, those games have already been released on the PS4 (the indie titles). So what I am seeing is developers finally getting around to making an Xbox version and releasing it. This is essentially helping the Xbox get caught up in releases, where as the PS4 doesn't need to get caught up because it has generally been developed for first and released right away.
A prime example, one week the PS4 had like 4 games come out, and I counted 15 new games coming out on Xbox One. I think every one of those 15 games had already come out on PS4 weeks if not months before.
Ok, so wiki pages have more Xbox games listed for 2017 than PS4 games. Interesting.
Personally, I don't like wiki lists of games. I've checked wiki game lists in the past and found lots of mistakes. They seem to depend on who is doing the updating and how rigorous those updating processes are. Since they are separated by "side," you've got different people with different agendas involved in each list. I think they're problematic.
I think it's much more straightforward to just google "Games released in 2017 Xbox One vs. PS4" and see what you find. I'd invite anyone to do that. I have already posted the results of the first two sites I randomly looked at -- both of them showed pretty much the same thing, more games released on PS4. That's not surprising. It's the same pattern we've seen all generation.
I'm tiring of the argument, though. If you want to believe Xbox has released more games in 2017 than PS has, be my guest. Don't let facts get in your way, lol.
This is going in circles and getting into console war minutae, and I'm not all that concerned about it. E3 is here. I'm turning my attention there.
Dude, there are Nazi's running Wiki. I have gone in and fixed mistakes, and jesus christ you would have thought you killed their baby. They will go through reverse the change and then try to move it to vote and all this s***, even with back up. I seriously am pissed off at how it is being run.
As mentioned a lot of the games will be timed exclusive PS4 games coming to Xbox.
But it does have a lot of indie games coming out this year
Meh, it just doesn't seem to check out. I'm sure there's a certain rubber band effect going on (old PS4 games finally releasing on XBO) but I would bet that the 2:1 ratio plays a much bigger role on game output. The evidence put forth to prove otherwise hasn't convinced me.
That is probably part of it too. But the question was, why is Xbox getting more releases in 2017 than PS so far, and I believe it is just catch up.
I don't think you'd say that if it favoured the PS4. I mean you clearly favour your gamespot list (and yet Phantom Dust, Cities Skylines, and Voodoo Vince Remastered aren't on it) despite the fact it's missing most of the Wiki entries too.
Why do you have against a more comprehensive data set?
I did that. It leads to Wikipedia.
Generally I don't much care either way. BC closed the book on which console will have the biggest library overall, but in so far - unless someone spent an enormous amout of time editing hundreds of games for both PS4 and Xbox with release dates for 3 seperate regions....for a platform putting out 150+ more games in it's slow period... well there it is.
While I mostly agree, I think what's not getting recognized enough i the real reason BC actually matters - not the backwards part, but the forwards part. MS has said now that their games going forward will be playable on future generations of hardware. For all the stick MS receives, some deserved and some overdone, about games and their launch, the thing that they've made their living doing is building operating systems that keep the ability to run software from many years ago. If I buy a game for the XB1 today, I know that in five years on the next XBox that it will still work. I have little confidence in Sony to do the same, and for me, at least, I don't want to have to hook up different boxes to play different games. That's just not what Sony does - they make hardware, they make great games of course, but their software is coupled too tightly to the hardware for forward compatibility to work see boost mode.
Different value propositions for different folks.
It's weird that he feels this way yet they're overcharging people for PS2 ports and have PSNow, which is just a s***ty way to play those games and makes them look even worse.
"When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much," says Ryan. "That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"
http://time.com/4804768/playstation-...ro-psvr-sales/
So... is PS Now pointless Jim??
Plus it's very clear that bc has worked very well for MS
That guys is clearly someone who doesn't "get" video games.
I see it's an old post but why do you keep lying about this? PS ecosystem has way more games than the Xbox ecosystem, and that's if you leave out handhelds. Clean wash otherwise. Sony's been around longer, and supported studios better.
For all the games you tout that you have to play you sure don't play many of them. 47,000 gamerscore in 12 years? You can do better than that. Or at least stop acting like Xbox has more games that you don't even play.
It's 360 vs PS 1,2,3 combined. Not the eco system. A quick google search denotes the latter is less then the former, but not by a lot, as I said. Yeah if you include the PSP the PS3 would be more (i presume, i didn't check), but they didn't do that.
A lot of VITA games come to PS4 now and are counted. Good for them.
Dafuq? I don't need to read every book on my kindle to say it has 2800 books on it (which it does). But FYI I currently have 225 games installed on my Xbox One, 103 on the ready to install list (ones I feel I have completed and won't come back to often) and around 80 more incompatible 360 games (physical) and maybe 30 digital incompatible (about 110 are compatible) and i receive 48 games per year through my gold sub, a couple from E3 giveaways and listing errors and the odd F2P here and there.
Even if I didn't buy any games this year, i'd still have more than 4 new games a month to get through, much less earn hundreds of achievements. I'm not much of a cheevo hunter and even if I was, that doesn't change the numbers.
I mainly buy games to talk about them on forums
I am flattered you felt the compelling need to look up my Gamertag presumebly gathered from the screenshot/video thread as I never give it out to anyone.
I don't think about you at all.
3398 XBLIG
1223 disc games
719 Xbox Live Arcade games
500+ OG Xbox games
5840 or so games from one box.
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