The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!

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I believe she would be willing to flip flop especially if there was something to gain but there wasn't here and the question was worded in a way that its easy to confuse. Which of you would abolish their health care? The "their" was the public but its very easy to take it differently

I just don't see a benefit in a calculated flip flop there. It just looks like a manufactured issue people are coming up with to not like her.



He isn't going to win

Like I said if she hadn't done it before I'd be more forgiving, plus the question was asked the night before. You don't abolish your own healthcare plan, yes it was worded poorly but it's hard to misunderstand the spirit of the question. I think the benefit is that she's seen more as an establishment Dem and wants to appeal to the progressive side of the party.
 
Trump at this point was at 1% and had an army of Republicans.

Polls in the beginning of July 2015 had him in either first or second. By the end of July he was firmly in the lead.

He was at 1% before he announced.

Like I said if she hadn't done it before I'd be more forgiving, plus the question was asked the night before. You don't abolish your own healthcare plan, yes it was worded poorly but it's hard to misunderstand the spirit of the question. I think the benefit is that she's seen more as an establishment Dem and wants to appeal to the progressive side of the party.

That's why it makes sense to flip in the general not a few hours later. She gained nothing by raising her hand unless she sticks with it. People don't vote for 6 months. As a calculated move it makes absolutely no sense.
 

Video is click bait. Obama has nothing to do with Yang and is definitely not supporting him, or anyone, at this point in time.

Also, you keep proving my point. Yang is a one trick pony right now. He’s a robot on repeat and always talking about UBI. He has no other policy talking points. Literally nothing else. He either needs to have concrete policy options for war, the border, healthcare, taxes, or the next debate, will and should, be his last. He has an incredible amount of work to do.
 
Polls in the beginning of July 2015 had him in either first or second. By the end of July he was firmly in the lead.

He was at 1% before he announced.



That's why it makes sense to flip in the general not a few hours later. She gained nothing by raising her hand unless she sticks with it. People don't vote for 6 months. As a calculated move it makes absolutely no sense.

It makes no sense for her to misunderstand two questions on the same basic topic either, she's not stupid.
 
His website is a lot of talking points of “We need to...” I was disappointed when I read through it.

Other than Warren I don't think anyone is really all that prepared in more than one area, they just have the right people in place to say things they think will sound good but have no real intention of putting into place.
 
Other than Warren I don't think anyone is really all that prepared in more than one area, they just have the right people in place to say things they think will sound good but have no real intention of putting into place.
Yang’s is especially generic.
 
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Welcome... back... to the forums. These forums lean heavily to rational when it comes to politics and idiocy is called out, regardless of what side it's on. Take a gander of the politics thread and you'll get an idea of how things lean.

Thanks. I'll make sure I check out the politics side.

I have been of other Forums but so many have become very hard left leaning that having centrist liberal views (like myself) is to mean you are a far right neo nazi!? I just don't know how to respond to comments like that if I'm honest lol
 
Thanks. I'll make sure I check out the politics side.

I have been of other Forums but so many have become very hard left leaning that having centrist liberal views (like myself) is to mean you are a far right neo nazi!? I just don't know how to respond to comments like that if I'm honest lol
These forums are "left leaning," but we are very against the very insignificant, far left leaning, SJW types as evident by the SJW thread. Nobody wants completely open borders for example. Most of us want a comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system here in the United States.

If you can intelligently support your arguments, you will be engaged in discussion. If you scream "trump is great! eat it libs," your time here will be difficult.

My stance... I believe the current republican party, as it exists now, needs to be completely destroyed and built back up. Now, John Kasich is not perfect, but, using him as an example, is where the republican party needs to be. That will give a nearly sane, rational, contrast to the democratic party.
 
I don't even know if left / right even applies anymore. The problem is that you assume that right=conservative, but I don't see Trumpers as conservative.
I would be fine with people who disagree with me politically, the problem is that what Trump sells isn't really politics. To me, Trump is a liar and a con man. Lies aren't a side, or at least not a very good one. That's what makes actual discussion difficult. If people want to talk facts and ideas, great. You rarely actually get any of that though.

I consider myself to be conservative, but I want nothing to do with Trump. I'm actually conservative, smaller government with libertarian values. I believe in the Constitution (all of it, not just the bits about guns). To me, there's nothing "conservative" about forcing your religious beliefs on people via the law. There's nothing conservative about tax cuts for the extremely wealthy.

I guess I always considered myself slightly right of center, but in this Trump world that usually means I end up left of center. I don't really care about where I get labeled, but that's all people seem to see anymore.
 
I don't even know if left / right even applies anymore. The problem is that you assume that right=conservative, but I don't see Trumpers as conservative.
I would be fine with people who disagree with me politically, the problem is that what Trump sells isn't really politics. To me, Trump is a liar and a con man. Lies aren't a side, or at least not a very good one. That's what makes actual discussion difficult. If people want to talk facts and ideas, great. You rarely actually get any of that though.

I consider myself to be conservative, but I want nothing to do with Trump. I'm actually conservative, smaller government with libertarian values. I believe in the Constitution (all of it, not just the bits about guns). To me, there's nothing "conservative" about forcing your religious beliefs on people via the law. There's nothing conservative about tax cuts for the extremely wealthy.

I guess I always considered myself slightly right of center, but in this Trump world that usually means I end up left of center. I don't really care about where I get labeled, but that's all people seem to see anymore.
That's why I put left leaning in quotes.
 
These forums are "left leaning," but we are very against the very insignificant, far left leaning, SJW types as evident by the SJW thread. Nobody wants completely open borders for example. Most of us want a comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system here in the United States.

If you can intelligently support your arguments, you will be engaged in discussion. If you scream "trump is great! eat it libs," your time here will be difficult.

My stance... I believe the current republican party, as it exists now, needs to be completely destroyed and built back up. Now, John Kasich is not perfect, but, using him as an example, is where the republican party needs to be. That will give a nearly sane, rational, contrast to the democratic party.

I hate SJW's nothing will appease them and they want to create a society where certain groups have all the rights and no one is equal, the exact opposite of where I stand which is we are all equal and entitled to the same rights as the man, woman or trans person you're standing next too.

Lol I'm from the UK so you won't be getting much pro trump rhetoric from me or eat it libs lmao.
 
I think the rise of SJWs is an over reaction to legit problems or blowback against people who abuse their position of power to marginalize or exploit others. They need to dial things back to credible arguments instead of just being thugs sicking lawyers on people because..... Activism.
 
SJWs and the evangelical right are both extremists in my mind. They both are two sides of the same coin. They have very different beliefs, but go about things in a very similar way. They want to use politics and pressure to make the country into their narrow view of "correct".

They both want to hammer people so that 350 million Americans all think the exact same way, which is of course absurd to even contemplate.

Freedom of speech means that someone else has the right to offend you! That's the necessary side effect. That crazy church group that protests dead service people's funerals against gay marriage has the same rights as anyone else. The SJW lives in a fake world where if someone offends them, they deserve "justice!". It is quite silly really when you break it down and look at it.
 
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Actually SJWs are terrible but the being offended aspect goes way beyond just them. People just feel if they are right then its ok that they are offended.

Lead character in Star Wars game isn't a woman=SJWs offended
If lead character was a woman=people would have raged and said game was made by SJWs

People are just constantly looking for something to upset about
 
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Him and Commissar Corbyn are both morally bankrupt and some of the policies they want to enact are f***ing disgusting, god I hope they never get in to power.

The politics of the past four or so years in layman's terms:

US: Wow, how many Republicans are running? Our country's a mess.
UK: Hold my beer.
Brexit happens.
US: Hold my beer.
Somehow we get Trump v. Clinton, and then a Trump Presidency.
UK: Hold *MY* bloody beer.
The UK Parliament is committed to delivering Brexit, but not on a no-deal basis, or not with a deal, and not willing to stick around in a customs union, and not willing to indefinitely postpone or, really, agree to anything.

I could go on with the tremendous amount of obstruction and lies coming out of the white house or now this latest UK development (Newsflash: The enemy of a s***head might also be a s***head) but I'm tired of passing the beer.
 
SJWs and the evangelical right are both extremists in my mind. They both are two sides of the same coin. They have very different beliefs, but go about things in a very similar way. They want to use politics and pressure to make the country into their narrow view of "correct".

SJW/Evangelical viewpoint: "The Constitution protects my right to follow the religion of my choice and your right to follow the religion of my choice." *

* - With the noted exception that the word "choice" is probably never going to escape the lips of a hardcore evangelical pro-life (until they're born, then F*** them) Southern Baptist.
 
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