"1080P Zealots Are Ruining Gaming" YT Vid

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Looks like these next gen consoles can't handle 1080p/60fps for complex games, unless devs can improve performance as years pass.

But a good video to watch and I agree with it. Very happy that given the specs of each console (pales to a good PC), MS and devs are more likely to pursue performance over extra "Pees" on X1.

Just imagine how much better looking/smoother PS4 games would be if they chose a lower res more often to free up some power.

 
You don't even need to have a 'good PC' to outperform these consoles. That is the sad thing.

That said, people game on consoles for the unique experiences. Graphics whores need to pony on up and get a gaming rig to truly taste from the chalice of visual splendor.
The problem with this generation more so than any other is that people let specs and graphics dictate their enjoyment (or ridicule) in relation to the PS4/Xb1.

Graphics should never be the sole metric for enjoyment, and while they do matter in terms of immersion people have by and large blown this entire affair out of proportion to the point where you could swear one console was outputting 480p graphics in stencil form.
 
The Living Tribunal said:
You don't even need to have a 'good PC' to outperform these consoles. That is the sad thing.

That said, people game on consoles for the unique experiences. Graphics whores need to pony on up and get a gaming rig to truly taste from the chalice of visual splendor.
The problem with this generation more so than any other is that people let specs and graphics dictate their enjoyment (or ridicule) in relation to the PS4/Xb1.

Graphics should never be the sole metric for enjoyment, and while they do matter in terms of immersion people have by and large blown this entire affair out of proportion to the point where you could swear one console was outputting 480p graphics in stencil form.
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Agreed. Wholly agreed. The entire thing has gone meta.
 
I never knew until just recently, but Sega Genesis games ran at 320 x 224 while SNES games ran at 256 x 224. I thought they ran at the same. Without breaking out a calculator, Genesis had about a 25-30% res advantage.

I don't think one person knew, cared or noticed. I sure didn't. I could tell Genesis games had less slowdown, while SNES games had better colours, cool 3d effects and sound, but as for res never noticed.
 
I also want to add that personally I think sites like Digital Foundry are ruining the industry.
Yes I know that 'some multiplatform owners want to know which version to buy' rhetoric, but lets just sit for a second and consider some things.

We all know the PS4 vs the XB1 in terms of raw GPU specs (visuals) favors the PS4. Digital foundry is all about graphics/performance comparison, and by that simple understanding (PS4 GPU tech > Xb1 GPU tech) ask yourselves do we all REALLY need to read about it every time a multiplatform game releases? We already know the outcome from a visual comparison don't we?
The PS4 will ALWAYS have the visual edge. That is it. Why fan the flames and ignite fanboy war over something we ALL know will be the outcome? I can understand if the visual difference is huge, or if performance rarely swings in the other direction (AC:Unity), but why release a comparison for EVERY MULTIPLATFORM game?? I mean was DF around making these comparisons when the original Xbox was besting the PS2 in every multiplatform game?
It makes no sense to me especially if you consider that the PC (or rather a capable PC) will always be on top of both.

Digital Foundry and sites like it are IMHO just fanning the flames of a generation that has really lost touch with the fundamental reason people game on consoles: Games. Graphics should always be secondary.
 
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The Living Tribunal said:
I also want to add that personally I think sites like Digital Foundry are ruining the industry.
Yes I know that 'some multiplatform owners want to know which version to buy' rhetoric, but lets just sit for a second and consider some things.

We all know the PS4 vs the XB1 in terms of raw GPU specs (visuals) favors the PS4. Digital foundry is all about graphics/performance comparison, and by that simple understanding (PS4 GPU tech > Xb1 GPU tech) ask yourselves do we all REALLY need to read about it every time a multiplatform game releases? We already know the outcome from a visual comparison don't we?
The PS4 will ALWAYS have the visual edge. That is it. Why fan the flames and ignite fanboy war over something we ALL know will be the outcome? I can understand if the visual difference is huge, or if performance rarely swings in the other direction (AC:Unity), but why release a comparison for EVERY MULTIPLATFORM game?? I mean was DF around making these comparisons when the original Xbox was besting the PS2 in every multiplatform game?
It makes no sense to me especially if you consider that the PC (or rather a capable PC) will always be on top of both.

Digital Foundry and sites like it are IMHO just fanning the flames of a generation that has really lost touch with the fundamental reason people game on consoles: Games. Graphics should always be secondary.
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They are fanning the flames since gamers keep checking them out and linking to them.

One odd thing is lumping in PC into the mix. Of course a decent PC will beat out a console game (unless the dev really gimped it). But almost every time the PC wins, so it's a weird thing to add to the article. It's like having a comparison between a Corolla, Civic and a Mustang. Which one is faster? I'm no car expert, but I think Musty wins.

What they should be doing for PC games is testing it on different rigs or using the same rig but maybe swapping out an AMD and Nvidia card to see which one leads to better gaming as each one can have driver issues. And summarizing it in its own article with lots of benchmarks. Heck, even test it on a half decent laptop to see how well it performs. Not everyone uses a desktop/tower.

It's silly, but it suits their click hits. It used to be they'd do a test after a game launches. Now, it's testing previews, VIDEOs, alphas, betas, and the GTA5 tests must have stretched across 3 or 4 articles by now, even catering to the grass issue as asap. Who the heck would test a preview video? It probably runs at 30 fps to start with so of course their tests would produce a 30 fps max output.

One guy on GAF had a funny post that basically sums it up. He said something like this regarding all of the DF GTA articles...... "They are going to milk this till their tit turns purple". LOL. Silly, but spot on.
 
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Oh please! Ruining gaming my ass! This is about as silly and exaggerated as the 1080p to 900p discussions are.
 
Just because I have a discussion of which Football team is stronger, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid, doesn't mean I stop enjoying watching football you know.

The same way people have 'passionate' discussion of which console is superior doesn't mean they will stop enjoying their games.
I never feel I cannot enjoy my performance car (when I had one), & also have discussion my car compare to other performance cars. Sometimes my car came on top, sometimes not. I do not get butthurt.

But I do understand some people do take it too seriously, whic then becomes a problem, getting worked out, even making person attack on others disagreeing with them. Then it becomes a problem.

Forunately, the latter is rather rare here, so I do not see an issue. I do however think VS & comparsions should be kept in their own threads, so people not interested in discussions should not be subjected to these posts.
 
starseeker said:
Just because I have a discussion of which Football team is stronger, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid, doesn't mean I stop enjoying watching football you know.

The same way people have 'passionate' discussion of which console is superior doesn't mean they will stop enjoying their games.
I never feel I cannot enjoy my performance car (when I had one), & also have discussion my car compare to other performance cars. Sometimes my car came on top, sometimes not. I do not get butthurt.

But I do understand some people do take it too seriously, whic then becomes a problem, getting worked out, even making person attack on others disagreeing with them. Then it becomes a problem.

Forunately, the latter is rather rare here, so I do not see an issue. I do however think VS & comparsions should be kept in their own threads, so people not interested in discussions should not be subjected to these posts.
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Exactly.

Plus, if you want to really address the issue then you have to look at the route cause, the lackluster hardware put fourth by hardware companies. People expected more. If you want to follow this silly notion of res zealots ruining gaming then perhaps you should turn your focus to Nintendo. The Wii changed the game, Nintendo showed you did not need to take huge losses on hardware to be very successful. They showed you did not need cutting edge tech to draw the masses. Now MS and Sony have followed suit and for the first time in decades these consoles are not as cutting edge as possible. The companies are not spending the money on mad R&D. This business model change is here to stay too, so people may want to start tempering next-gen expectations now or be once again disappointed.
 
Both companies could have easily made consoles that did 1080p 60fps from day one if they had stuck to previous gen leaps in hardware. But both companies were not willing to take a loss this time, the business model had changes.
 
TheGeneral said:
Both companies could have easily made consoles that did 1080p 60fps from day one if they had stuck to previous gen leaps in hardware. But both companies were not willing to take a loss this time, the business model had changes.
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Both consoles *can* do 1080p 60FPS from day one.

They both did stick to the previous gen leaps in hardware, they just released them 3 years later than the typical 5 year cycle. This is high end hardware from 2009/2010 (CPU excepted), a 8 - 10 times power leap from last gen.
 
Back in my day gamers would talk about gameplay, strategies, give tips. That's what the majority of the discussion should be but that is unfortunately the minority.
 
Z A C K said:
Back in my day gamers would talk about gameplay, strategies, give tips. That's what the majority of the discussion should be but that is unfortunately the minority.
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Unfortunately, many games today really don't require strategies nor tips.


I love gaming, but imo, it has been dumb'd down. We don't even get proper manuals anymore....but then again, what for, seeing as games don't even need instructions anymore.
 
Qbert said:
Unfortunately, many games today really don't require strategies nor tips.


I love gaming, but imo, it has been dumb'd down. We don't even get proper manuals anymore....but then again, what for, seeing as games don't even need instructions anymore.
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Can't disagree with this. Good point.
 
^^sorry but it takes a good or very good pc to out run these consoles as the ports show.
Plus a few better looking then anything on PC games are coming... Then the its artwork excuse will be made.
 
Z A C K said:
Back in my day gamers would talk about gameplay, strategies, give tips. That's what the majority of the discussion should be but that is unfortunately the minority.
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People argued graphics all the way back in the Sega genesis vs Super Nintendo days. So are you talking about the Atari days?
 
VaLLiancE said:
People argued graphics all the way back in the Sega genesis vs Super Nintendo days. So are you talking about the Atari days?
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I was just talking about my personal experience honestly, and was only being half serious. I was barely even alive in the Atari days.
 
Its gamers that are fanning the flames of console wars not sites who do these game comparisons. And to be honest at least here, its always the same members who argue over the same things in defense of their preferred platform. Its the reason why I try and stick to threads of gameplay talk not technical crap.
 
Back in my day gamers would also argue over whether the C64 or Speccy versions were superior, how many colours were on screen and cassette loads times.

Only difference is the forum in which those discussions happened - playgrounds, workplace, letters printed in magazines or teletext.

Also, I am old.
 
VaLLiancE said:
^^sorry but it takes a good or very good pc to out run these consoles as the ports show.
Plus a few better looking then anything on PC games are coming... Then the its artwork excuse will be made.
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Sure, but that's no different than saying it takes a next gen console to out run last gen consoles.
In other words good or very good pc = next gen console.........bad pc = last gen console.


Keep in mind that a good pc can be had for pretty cheap. My pc can be had for pretty cheap, and I run all my games, including BF4 at 2560x1440. That just tells us, that I can get even a cheaper pc than mine, and still outdo next gen consoles.
 
Not getting into going ot with prices but a cheap priced PC won't run certain games as good as these consoles.
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Sure, but that's no different than saying it takes a next gen console to out run last gen consoles.
In other words good or very good pc = next gen console.........bad pc = last gen console.


Keep in mind that a good pc can be had for pretty cheap.
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Qbert said:
Unfortunately, many games today really don't require strategies nor tips.


I love gaming, but imo, it has been dumb'd down. We don't even get proper manuals anymore....but then again, what for, seeing as games don't even need instructions anymore.
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True

Dark Souls and Destiny are part of the few exceptions.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Not getting into going ot with prices but a cheap priced PC won't run certain games as good as these consoles.
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Depends on what you consider cheap. A pc that cost less than $800 will most certainly run the games, the best games, better than these consoles. You might not think $800 is cheap, but consider that the PS4 is $400 and couple the monthly online costs....for the life of the console, you'd have spent more on PS4 than on the pc.

And again, that's for my pc, running games at 2560x1440. I can go much cheaper and still play all the top games at least 1080p and still outperforming next gen consoles.


Edit: I made a correction in bold.
 
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Kvally said:
I prefer great games. X1 delivers that.
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I prefer great games as well....and multiple consoles and pc all deliver on that.


I never understood how people call themselves gamers and exclude certain platforms. I'm all for great gaming, brand loyalty means crap to me.
 
Qbert said:
I never understood how people call themselves gamers and exclude certain platforms. I'm all for great gaming, brand loyalty means crap to me.
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Same here. I was just taking a dig at Sir Pitt.
 
I have no problem with objective technical discussions of games or consoles, I find it interesting a nerdy way. I agree that it should be in separate threads to those discussing the gameplay, structure and content of a game. DF face offs having their own topics is fine, people can avoid that discussion/tickle fight if they wish and another thread can be served as a vehicle for gameplay talk.

I do have a problem with people s***ting on threads clearly labelled as technical comparisons by posting 'OMG you guys, what about the FUNZ and the GAMEPLAYZ???!'

Those people should be forced to drink bleach.
 
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