"1080P Zealots Are Ruining Gaming" YT Vid

Qbert said:
I prefer great games as well....and multiple consoles and pc all deliver on that.


I never understood how people call themselves gamers and exclude certain platforms. I'm all for great gaming, brand loyalty means crap to me.
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Just because you are a gamer doesn't mean you need to own all game platofrm or play all the blockbuster games you know. I am a movie fan, but doesn't mean I need to watch all the blockbuster hits.

Most gamers are happy to play on one or a few platform that have most of the games they like to play.
 
It's not exactly ruining games itself, but it definitely ruined communities. I wouldn't even say 'ruin', it was f***ing trashed and turned to s***.
 
starseeker said:
Just because you are a gamer doesn't mean you need to own all game platofrm or play all the blockbuster games you know. I am a movie fan, but doesn't mean I need to watch all the blockbuster hits.

Most gamers are happy to play on one or a few platform that have most of the games they like to play.
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Oh, I agree. But you wouldn't dismiss certain movies either just because they weren't on Bluray (example).

For example, I'd never say I enjoy good movies, and my blu-ray delivers (so I'll ignore any movie that is only on VHS)......(of course, bad example, but you get my point)
 
Qbert said:
Unfortunately, many games today really don't require strategies nor tips.


I love gaming, but imo, it has been dumb'd down. We don't even get proper manuals anymore....but then again, what for, seeing as games don't even need instructions anymore.
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+1

Morrowind vs Skyrim, one can only assume Bethesda thinks we all suffered global massive brain damage over the years. It's gross.
 
There are still games that have not been stung with the casual bug and been dumbed down. Sadly, those games are primarily not the big budget ones and primarily found on PC. Still, it's hard to fault game creators for catering to their largest audience, the casual gamer, who just want to feel empowered and not be challenged.
 
I bought an X1 because I wanted Halo MCC and the Forza series, any other series available to PC I buy there. I buy consoles for the exclusives not for the visuals.

On the other hand it is pretty sad that these consoles are struggling to run games at 1080p with sacrificed visual quality, when capable PC's have been doing it for nearly 10 years.
 
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The entertainment and game industry created these zealots by propping up 1080 like a golden calf to market their wares. 1080p is a number that means jack s*** as far as image superiority is concerned. 1080p is the equivalent of what the photography industry did with "mega pixels" - its just an easily quantifiable, all be it insignificant, piece of "image quality" when used on its own. It is a term that the industry glommed onto for marking what is a subjective and very difficult to define term. To say 1080P is even close to a definitive or whole measure of image quality is to believe that mega pixels have much to do with the image quality a camera produces. It's all just marketing bullspeak that the industry created to sell products to uninformed consumers who can easily compare numbers even when their eyes are not seasoned enough to actually read image quality.

You could take a 16 MP photo on a f***ing phone with a grain size piece of glass and a grain size sensor and it won't hold a f***ing candle to a 8MP photo taken from a DSLR. Just as you can make any game run at 1080P if you want to strip it down of textures, lighting and effects .
 
eVo7 said:
I bought an X1 because I wanted Halo MCC and the Forza series, any other series available to PC I buy there. I buy consoles for the exclusives not for the visuals.

On the other hand it is pretty sad that these consoles are struggling to run games at 1080p with sacrificed visual quality, when capable PC's have been doing it for nearly 10 years.
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It is what it is. I'm still enjoying it, and when I get the XB1, I'll enjoy it as well.

But yeah, it's funny, because next gen consoles are really that far behind. When the 360 released, it was on par with a high end pc, and ran games at resolutions that were standard back then.
Now, next gen consoles struggle to run at standard resolution and the consoles are far behind high end PCs.

I can't believe some people over at TXB claimed that it would take a couple of years for high end PCs to catch up to next gen consoles. lol


with that said, i think next gen consoles are good enough, considering the initial low entry price.
 
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First thing I did when watching the video is set the playback to 1080p :cool:

Smooth framerate > resolution for most games (in my opinion). Forcing 1080p over 900p but getting a choppier, lower framerate seems like a very bad tradeoff to me. I know not everyone agrees. It comes down to what you notice more. I feel framerate drops. Just going from next gen consoles to last gen I notice a huge difference. Even though both have some games running at 30fps, one is a steady 30 while the other dips.

Excessive FPS dips are really annoying.

The problem with this debate is 1080p is a number and can be compared to another number. If I ask my wife which is better, 1080p or 900p, she'll guess the bigger number. There is no easy measure of "smoothness". I just know it when I see it.

On the note of overall next gen performance, we all knew this was coming. Heck, we've been talking about how the consoles are not going to have very good specs before we even knew the final specs.
 
The zealots aka low life so called gamers ruined gaming long before the 1080p debacle. Coming on forums for the first time years ago was like finding out wrestling wasn't real. Being told you shouldn't enjoy something because it's not up to someone else's standards is just annoying. Live your own life and quit trying to make others feel bad about something that doesn't even matter.
 
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Qbert said:
Depends on what you consider cheap. A pc that cost less than $800 will most certainly run the games, the best games, better than these consoles. You might not think $800 is cheap, but consider that the PS4 is $400 and couple the monthly online costs....for the life of the console, you'd have spent more on PS4 than on the pc.

And again, that's for my pc, running games at 2560x1440. I can go much cheaper and still play all the top games at least 1080p and still outperforming next gen consoles.


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Exactly. You dont need amazing hardware to outperform either console.
Case in point. A sub $199 dollar gtx 750ti can run BF4 at 40-60 FPS and at FULL 1080p.
Neither the PS4 or Xb1 can lay claim to that.
Don't even get me started on higher resolutions.
 
It runs much deeper than this. It is the console warriors who would follow these companies off a cliff who are the problem. The zealots can come after anything these companies push at the time.

Isn't funny how the Sony fans no longer talk about Indies because Sony hasn't made it a talking point? They were so important a year ago.
 
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mb1025 said:
It runs much deeper than this. It is the console warriors who would follow these companies off a cliff who are the problem. The zealots can come after anything these companies push at the time.

Isn't funny how the Sony fans no longer talk about Indies because Sony hasn't made it a talking point? They were so important a year ago.
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That's funny, in the games lineup comparison thread, there are some people who claim that Sony fans only place the emphasis on indies and not AAA titles so which is it?

On topic, it doesn't really bother me. I'd like 1080p just because it would look much better running on my native 1080p monitor and TV. But I'd take 900p/30 over 1080/20 all day. Thankfully most games run quite well at 1080/30 on the 4.
 
DriedMangoes said:
That's funny, in the games lineup comparison thread, there are some people who claim that Sony fans only place the emphasis on indies and not AAA titles so which is it?

On topic, it doesn't really bother me. I'd like 1080p just because it would look much better running on my native 1080p monitor and TV. But I'd take 900p/30 over 1080/20 all day. Thankfully most games run quite well at 1080/30 on the 4.
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No I'm not talking a few people on forums. Remember all the articles and boasting about how Sony "cared". How it was the next evolution in console gaming. Who talks about it anymore? No one because it isn't a corporate talking point unlike 1080p.
 
As a PC gamer, 1080p and up is the only way I'll except next gen consoles, or 900p if it's 60fps. It's way better than burning my eyes with 720p. 720p is a complete mess on a 42'' TV. Now that consoles have finally hit that 1080p mark after so many generation of 3D console generations, I want it to stay, and I do not want to have to wait another generation for it. I remember back in the day playing Croc: Legend of Gobbos on PC at 1200p and loving it. And the moment I played my friend's Playstation version, it completely killed my eyes looking at that criminally pixelated mosaic of a game at 240p. And I've been waiting ever since for consoles to catch up. And now that console manufacturers and game developers have aimed to make 1080p a reality for the first generation ever, I don't want them backing down just because some old granny can't the difference. 1080p for President, baby!
 
No console can match the Indie support of the Xbox 360. Hopefully the Xbox One follows suit.
 
mb1025 said:
No I'm not talking a few people on forums. Remember all the articles and boasting about how Sony "cared". How it was the next evolution in console gaming. Who talks about it anymore? No one because it isn't a corporate talking point unlike 1080p.
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What does this have to do with talking about indies? And did you expect the articles to keep coming out on a monthly basis or what? I don't get it.
 
Trying to get back on the topic, the 1080p zealots aren't the issue. The issue is the f***ing flood with rocket launchers. And since H2A isn't in 1080p technically anyhow, there's nothing at all to see here.
 
Qbert said:
I never understood how people call themselves gamers and exclude certain platforms. I'm all for great gaming, brand loyalty means crap to me.
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Qbert said:
It is what it is. I'm still enjoying it, and when I get the XB1, I'll enjoy it as well.
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So according to your claim you aren't a gamer as you don't have an X1, which is one of many platforms. So unless every person on this forum plays games on every console, PC, tablets, cellphones and handheld then they aren't gamers?

As someone said above, nobody should need to cover their bases across every iteration of products in an industry.
 
Kvally said:
No console can match the Indie support of the Xbox 360. Hopefully the Xbox One follows suit.
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Too bad the indie games were a joke back then. This gen they're the new hotness.
 
Intellivision said:
So according to your claim you aren't a gamer as you don't have an X1, which is one of many platforms. So unless every person on this forum plays games on every console, PC, tablets, cellphones and handheld then they aren't gamers?

As someone said above, nobody should need to cover their bases across every iteration of products in an industry.
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I didn't express myself clearly, my bad.

I in no way meant that you'd need all consoles to be a gamer. What I meant to convey was that a gamer shouldn't purposely exclude a platform just because of some allegiance to one platform.

This is why makes console wars so laughable. I'm all for talking about the differences and do so myself, but I would never align myself with just MS or Sony.
 
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1080p is native resolution of standard HD TV. It not some random number that is cooked up

Any resolution below the native resolution, up scaling occurs. Any upscaling affects image quality as the missing pixels are interpolated. Its just the way computer graphics works.

However it is not wrong to say something gonna give to achieve a game that can run will at higher resolution & also runs & look well.

The fact that many games struggled to even have consistent 30fps at 1080p, even some at 900p is quite a disappointment for next gen console. Obviously gameplay matters, but with new generation, comes higher expectation, & expect games to display at 1080p is hardly a unrealistic expectation since PC games have been doing it for years, & its pretty much the standard for TV & movies.

Of course, now we know next gen system ain't all that powerful, so something gonna give. I take lower res, or less effects for better smoothness for sure. But not because I think 1080p is BS, but when the hardware can't handled, what choice do you have? You just have to choose the next best setting.

Considering the gen is still early, & already struggling, these hardwares will not age well at all, especially with price of TV dropping so much, & more people upgrading to bigger screen. I bought my 40" for 700€ in 2011, now you can get 60" for this price or even lower.
 
Lnin0 said:
by itself?
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No.
Of course you need a CPU. Even a cheap $150 AMD cpu can best what is in either console. Add 8 gigs of ram and a case and motherboard and you are barely looking over $500 bucks.
That and you are getting better than console performance in EVERY multiplatform game.
However as I said consoles are for the unique experiences. I'm just stating that you don't need a $1000 dollar rig to beat these consoles in performance or graphics.
 
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