Are there any confirmed games running in 1080p??

Shaderhacker said:
I'm sorry but if there aren't any games running in 1080p for this next-gen, then I'm considering this gen a failure. What good is it to have some better graphics capabilities (tessellation, HBAO, Anisotropic filtering and higher res textures) and not increase resolution to get better image quality?

I'm looking for KZ to be 1080p as well as others like BF4, COD:Ghosts, ACIV, and others.

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From your question, you have no idea how game optimization works.

While the pc will always be the king, it was never stated that consoles would eclipse pc's. Not to mention just because a game runs at 1080p does not mean it is optimized for that format on a pc.
 
IdleHands said:
Bioshock 1 and 2 (perhaps infinite as well, but I played that on PC) had an option to unlock the framerate for higher FPS but there was a downside which I forget. Those are the only console titles I've ever seen with anything approaching options for performance/quality.
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This is exactly kinda something I was referencing to, it was a VSYNC option, I always played with it off because controller response was terrible with it on, and the frame rate was locked to 30fps and less with it on even though there was no screen tearing, the higher frame rate and much better controller response outweighed no screen tearing by a mile for me. Thankfully I have the entire bioshock collection on PC now. I'm playing through infinite on PC for the first time now.
 
BDaddyK said:
That's the trade off of PC vs console though. PC it's easy to upgrade and you have to worry about drivers/compatibility etc, plus a good GPU alone can cost the price of a console. Console it's all in one no worries, games work no matter what, they're all the same box. Trade off is it'll never rival a PC and they're cheap, relatively speaking. Games for consoles are tuned to the consoles power, your not gonna see a noticeable difference by having user definable settings, you'd prolly see worse performance.
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Yea but you can always ebay your parts. My last GPU wa sa GTX 580 that I got for 180 bucks on ebay, I've since upgraded to a GTX 770 and sold the 580 to my boss. Like I said earlier, it's easy to build a cheap PC that trumps next gen consoles via ebay.
 
eVo7 said:
Yea but you can always ebay your parts. My last GPU wa sa GTX 580 that I got for 180 bucks on ebay, I've since upgraded to a GTX 770 and sold the 580 to my boss. Like I said earlier, it's easy to build a cheap PC that trumps next gen consoles via ebay.
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Yup. I'm building a new PC this winter, going to start buying parts when black friday/holiday sales start. I've already sold my i5-2300 w/dell MB and GTX 660 PC I currently use to a family friend for $600. That $600 + the 2K I already have saved will build me a pretty sick PC with a nice 120hz monitor. I'm thinking, in the interest of future proofing of going 2x gtx770 4GB cards.
 
One thing that gamers seem to forget or never mention, is that seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p is highly dependent on the size of of your display, and how far you're sitting from it. 1080p is highly important for PC gaming, since most gamers are just a few feet from their monitor. It's not nearly as important for many console gamers, as they're sitting on a couch that's usually at such a distance from their TV, that the resolution differences between 1080p and 720p are not nearly as noticeable to the eye. Here's a chart on display size and distance from the display that shows whether or not an average person's eyes will be able to discern any difference whatsoever in resolution:

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Here are a couple frequently referred to articles on when 4k and 1080p resolutions will be noticeable.

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
 
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IdleHands said:
Yup. I'm building a new PC this winter, going to start buying parts when black friday/holiday sales start. I've already sold my i5-2300 w/dell MB and GTX 660 PC I currently use to a family friend for $600. That $600 + the 2K I already have saved will build me a pretty sick PC with a nice 120hz monitor. I'm thinking, in the interest of future proofing of going 2x gtx770 4GB cards.
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with 2K I would go 780 now possibly 2x780 overlock them both so they are faster than Titans and go with a 4770K and a really nice mobo. 770 4GB are really overpriced. By the time that 4GB is going to make a difference the GTX 770 GPU is going to be slow.
 
u2popmofo said:
One thing that gamers seem to forget or never mention, is that seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p is highly dependent on the size of of your display, and how far you're sitting from it. 1080p is highly important for PC gaming, since most gamers are just a few feet from their monitor. It's not nearly as important for many console gamers, as they're sitting on a couch that's usually at such a distance from their TV, that the resolution differences between 1080p and 720p are not nearly as noticeable to the eye. Here's a chart on display size and distance from the display that shows whether or not an average person's eyes will be able to discern any difference whatsoever in resolution:

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Here are a couple frequently referred to articles on when 4k and 1080p resolutions will be noticeable.

http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
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While this is true.....one key point to remember when talking about graphs like this, is that the distance in which you can't tell the difference....is also a distance where details start being lost to the naked eye.

I sit quite far from my 55" tv, and still see a difference, and I have a larger than average living room.
Taking my 55" tv as an example, in order to not see a difference, I'd need to sit almost 20 feet away.
I just measured almost 20 feet away from my tv.....and it brings me into my kitchen.
Almost 20 feet is pretty far, and from that distance, the screen appears incredibly small.

For reference....I'd say this is pretty far from the tv, so no, 1080p isn't just beneficial for pc desktop gaming.
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u2popmofo said:
Where are you getting 20ft from?
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According to the viewing chart, in order to not tell the difference in resolutions, I'd need to be close to 20 feet away (Can't really tell, but it looks like it might fall in the 18 feet area).

Point being, you'd need to sit a considerable distance away to not tell the difference. Your average living room is not incredibly large.
 
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Gotcha, that's to tell the difference between all resolutions, I was more referring to the distance between 720p and 1080p (which you'd need to be within about 11 feet to start noticing).

Don't get me wrong, I still think 1080p is great, and hopefully future games will hit that mark. I'm just saying that console gamers will likely see far more of a difference in improved textures, anti-aliasing, and other added effects and settings that were not previously possible on present gen consoles than they will when comparing 720p and 1080p, which depends far more on display size and distance from display. Not saying it doesn't matter, just saying it's not as important for many "couch-sitting" console gamers as they might think it is.
 
u2popmofo said:
Gotcha, that's to tell the difference between all resolutions, I was more referring to the distance between 720p and 1080p (which you'd need to be within about 11 feet to start noticing).

Don't get me wrong, I still think 1080p is great, and hopefully future games will hit that mark. I'm just saying that console gamers will likely see far more of a difference in improved textures, anti-aliasing, and other added effects and settings that were not previously possible on present gen consoles than they will when comparing 720p and 1080p, which depends far more on display size and distance from display. Not saying it doesn't matter, just saying it's not as important for many "couch-sitting" console gamers as they might think it is.
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I do agree that it's probably not as important to couch sitters, I was just pointing out that to not see the difference, you'd need to be far, but even at closer distances, I'd say resolution really isn't all that important. I'm playing Diablo 3 on console, and from where I sit, it looks beautiful, colorful and vibrant. I'm actually preferring it on big screen than on pc....as long as I don't get too close to see the jaggies.
 
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I can't imagine gaming any more than five feet away on my 52". I used to game at about nine feet. Getting a recliner that I can sit in front of the tv has been a godsend, especially for FPS. I need a 120" projector.
 
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Qbert said:
I do agree that it's probably not as important to couch sitters, I was just pointing out that to not see the difference, you'd need to be far, but even at closer distances, I'd say resolution really isn't all that important. I'm playing Diablo 3 on console, and from where I sit, it looks beautiful, colorful and vibrant. I'm actually preferring it on big screen than on pc....as long as I don't get too close to see the jaggies.
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Same, Diablo 3 actually looks better on my TV on Xbox than it did on my monitor on my Mac (game didn't run phenomenally on Mac last year though, so that likely plays a part).
 
Plainview said:
I can't imagine gaming any more than five feet away on my 52". I used to game at about nine feet. Getting a recliner that I can sit in front of the tv has been a godsend, especially for FPS. I need a 120" projector.
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I'm the same way. I don't game on my couch, I pull my computer chair that you see in the image and sit closer. Especially in mp games like CoD and BF....I need to be closer, if not, I start to lose my edge and don't do as well.
 
You definitely have an advantage of catching guys in the distance, or behind cover. It also can feel a bit more immersive close. I used to always push the couch closer, but have gotten lazy with that lately. Usually sit about 11 feet or so away.

EDIT: I found this optimal seating distance for HD displays chart. I should move my couch closer it seems:

Doesn't seem to be saving it right, here it is (scroll down):

http://www.besthdtvscreen.com/guides/hdtv-screen-size-viewing-distance
 
Qbert said:
I'm the same way. I don't game on my couch, I pull my computer chair that you see in the image and sit closer. Especially in mp games like CoD and BF....I need to be closer, if not, I start to lose my edge and don't do as well.
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I've found 6-7' away to be my optimal distance away, I have a 55" TV. I was sitting closer prolly round 4' or so and it was to close, I felt like I had to actually move my head side to side to get everything in.
 
eVo7 said:
with 2K I would go 780 now possibly 2x780 overlock them both so they are faster than Titans and go with a 4770K and a really nice mobo. 770 4GB are really overpriced. By the time that 4GB is going to make a difference the GTX 770 GPU is going to be slow.
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My build is not set in stone, but the 4gb 770's will cost me $440/each (after rebates and discounts), a 780 will cost me roughly $660 and as far as I've read the 780 doesn't really offer enough performance over 770's to make it worth that extra $200 ($400 is I sli them). I am going with a 4770k for sure and I'm thinking ASUS Sabertooth Z87.

So if I went with a single 780 (which I know is more than enough for now) that's what I would have for at least 2 years before I can afford to put more money into this PC, hence the 3-5 year future proofing I'm attempting. I also need to fit in a new keyboard (hopefully I can still nab a sidewinder x4 as I LOVE this KB and a logitech g400 or equivalent. Lastly I'm hoping to be able to squeeze either a BenQ or ASUS 120hz monitor in this build. By going with sli'd 770's I should have just enough or at least enough so I only have to put $100-200 on my credit card.

But again, stone, not set in so all or some of this could change. All I know is I want a beast enough PC that I can run BF4 in at least 1080p, 120fps (solid) a hopefully keep all settings @ medium-high. I also want it to be able to max out (with graphical mods) Fallout 4 (when it's released) @ 1080p/60fps.
 
Whatever you do, order your CPU from microcenter, I got the 4770K for 280 (vs 340-350 everywhere else) I paid 450 for the 4770K and a GIgabyte Z87X UD4H mobo. If I didn't get it from Microcenter I would have spent 570 bucks at the time. Order your CPU from Microcenter and you will save $$$ and if you have MC store nearby you can go and pickup their CPU/mobo bundle for even more $$ savings.
 
elitewolverine said:
From your question, you have no idea how game optimization works.

While the pc will always be the king, it was never stated that consoles would eclipse pc's. Not to mention just because a game runs at 1080p does not mean it is optimized for that format on a pc.
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I never said I knew how game optimization works. Do you?

It was stated before by developers themselves:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/11/ps4-will-out-power-most-pcs-for-years-to-come-says-just-cause-dev/

On a PC, frame buffer resolution is set by the user. The game is optimized for other things (i.e. physics, shaders, collision detection, LOD, lighting complexity, etc.. etc..). I never said the PC was optimized for resolution. A console, however, has a stricter budget - framerate must be really close to the target.
 
SevenDead1ySinz said:
Apparently with Ryse it is 1080p in the frame buffer, then they drop it to 900p and use a hw upscaler to get free AA.
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You don't get free AA by downsampling to 900p, and upcaling it back to 1080p on the TV. Unless the TV had a lower resolution than 900p.
 
eVo7 said:
Whatever you do, order your CPU from microcenter, I got the 4770K for 280 (vs 340-350 everywhere else) I paid 450 for the 4770K and a GIgabyte Z87X UD4H mobo. If I didn't get it from Microcenter I would have spent 570 bucks at the time. Order your CPU from Microcenter and you will save $$$ and if you have MC store nearby you can go and pickup their CPU/mobo bundle for even more $$ savings.
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Yup, MC is about a 10 minute drive from where I live. They'll be getting most of my business for this build.
 
IdleHands said:
Yup, MC is about a 10 minute drive from where I live. They'll be getting most of my business for this build.
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Lucky you, I had to drive almost an 2 hours my closest Micocenter through the nasty traffic of Philly, would have taken abour 30-40 minutes but traffic owned me. Was well worth the drive though.
 
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