Official Thread Horizon Forbidden West | PS5/4 | Sony Misses Mark, Fixes It

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When I bought physical games I always pre-ordered but now that I've gone all digital I often times wait until the day before they start pre loading, there is no real rush now.
I still tend to buy physical for the most part, still never understood why people would pre-order after just the announcement of a game existing. Kind of annoyed seeing that there is only like 1 or 2 editions of the game that come with an actual disc. Might go digital on this one I guess since options otherwise are so limited.
 
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I still tend to buy physical for the most part, still never understood why people would pre-order after just the announcement of a game existing. Kind of annoyed seeing that there is only like 1 or 2 editions of the game that come with an actual disc. Might go digital on this one I guess since options otherwise are so limited.
I used to pre order physical because there were times (mostly in the past) where every game they got in was spoken for so I had to wait.
 

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$89.99 for launch edition at Amazon is a rip off when GS has it for $69.99.
 

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Good on them to admit their wrongdoing. Free PS4 to PS5 upgrade for HFW! Just preordered the PS4 edition on Amazon just in case they all get sold out once this news gets out 🤣

This will somehow still be spun by toxic Xbox fans in some form or another.

At least there's some form of upgrade path now.
 
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IMO they had to reverse their decision on Horizon. Otherwise Jim Ryan comes off as a straight up liar.

Still wish they were more in line with how Microsoft handles upgrades but it is what it is.
 

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Glad they moved on this quickly and made a commitment to a standard policy going forward. Now should I just buy the PS4 edition and upgrade to save $10.00? lol
 

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IMO they had to reverse their decision on Horizon. Otherwise Jim Ryan comes off as a straight up liar.

Still wish they were more in line with how Microsoft handles upgrades but it is what it is.
Sony charges $10 for PS5 games so there is no way they and MS can have the same policy, plus MS hasn't released a 1st party cross-gen game yet, flight sim is a PC port that isn't available to play natively on xbox one consoles. When Forza and Halo and the rest come out they'll want you to be paying them for GP and for micro transactions in those games so they aren't going to worry about $10 upgrades since most people won't be buying 1st party games anyway.
 

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Good on them to admit their wrongdoing.

This will somehow still be spun by toxic Xbox fans in some form or another.

At least there's some form of upgrade path now.
I wish they had an option of the physical version of the collectors edition. I know halo 5 and some other game had a digital and allowed a trade in for it
Sony charges $10 for PS5 games so there is no way they and MS can have the same policy, plus MS hasn't released a 1st party cross-gen game yet, flight sim is a PC port that isn't available to play natively on xbox one consoles. When Forza and Halo and the rest come out they'll want you to be paying them for GP and for micro transactions in those games so they aren't going to worry about $10 upgrades since most people won't be buying 1st party games anyway.
unless you buy the digital versions and it’s “play anywhere” on their digital stores
 

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Sony charges $10 for PS5 games so there is no way they and MS can have the same policy, plus MS hasn't released a 1st party cross-gen game yet, flight sim is a PC port that isn't available to play natively on xbox one consoles. When Forza and Halo and the rest come out they'll want you to be paying them for GP and for micro transactions in those games so they aren't going to worry about $10 upgrades since most people won't be buying 1st party games anyway.

Gears Tactics doesn't count as cross gen?
 

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Gears Tactics doesn't count as cross gen?
It was released months before the Series consoles came out, it wasn't made natively for the Series X/S they just upgraded a few things, it looks basically like the One X version running at 60fps with a few slight changes from what I've seen and not all of them were for the better. I'm talking about games that launched on the new console at the same time.
 

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The Forza games have never had microtransacations and 5 looks to be the same.

Those games are still Cross gen apart from Flight Sim which isn't possible on Xbox One. MS upgrading them for free doesn't change that and it doesn't matter if the game came out before Series X/S they had the upgrades in mind when making them.

As for this. People shouldn't have had to complain to the point Sony did a U turn and ask versions they sell off the game should be eligible for the upgrade.
 

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Sony charges $10 for PS5 games so there is no way they and MS can have the same policy, plus MS hasn't released a 1st party cross-gen game yet, flight sim is a PC port that isn't available to play natively on xbox one consoles. When Forza and Halo and the rest come out they'll want you to be paying them for GP and for micro transactions in those games so they aren't going to worry about $10 upgrades since most people won't be buying 1st party games anyway.
Most people don’t have game pass.
 
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IMO they had to reverse their decision on Horizon. Otherwise Jim Ryan comes off as a straight up liar.

Still wish they were more in line with how Microsoft handles upgrades but it is what it is.
They could of missed it.

Good on them fixing it.

I was skipping it if they didn't.
 

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Most people don’t have game pass.

20m+ but not sure what the active number of users is on Xbox? But yes I've got my physical copy of FH5 on pre order.

It's good that they fixed it but the press release also confirms that Sony plans on plenty of cross gen games outside of this, GT and GoW so I dare say when those games are nearer to release people will complain about the $10 charge.
 

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20m+ but not sure what the active number of users is on Xbox? But yes I've got my physical copy of FH5 on pre order.

It's good that they fixed it but the press release also confirms that Sony plans on plenty of cross gen games outside of this, GT and GoW so I dare say when those games are nearer to release people will complain about the $10 charge.

I think they said crossgen for 3 years right? So till November 2023 or so. I think we will see some cross gens and only next gen titles announced on Thursday.
 
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Man ohh man, past Sony announcements haven't aged well. First they "Believe in Generations" and then they "Believe in Player Choice".

But they are moving forward with cross-gen titles and will stop offering free upgrades after this game. Ohh well, it seems like Corporations, in this case Sony only learn to be humble once they lose market-share. It happened with the PS3 not doing as well as everyone thought it should and they made up that lost ground with the PS4 by being mostly pro-consumer. Now Sony's back on top and they seem to have a short memory and are angling for shortsighted profits at the expense of long term success.
 

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Sony has some crazily convoluted pricing setups. I was still nervous when I bought the Ghost of Tsushima DLC that I'd paid for the wrong version. If I'm confused by it, and I'm paying attention to this crap, I can't imagine how many mistakes casuals and kids' parents will make. It's always crazy to me to think that numerous meetings with Sony sales employees and executives were had to come up with this gigantic cluster f*** of a strategy. Sony needs to dump a lot of their cheesy dead weight Playstation execs.

I hold off on preordering until I've seen enough to know I want something these days, I'm in no rush on this.
 
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Sony has some crazily convoluted pricing setups. I was still nervous when I bought the Ghost of Tsushima DLC that I'd paid for the wrong version. If I'm confused by it, and I'm paying attention to this crap, I can't imagine how many mistakes casuals and kids' parents will make. It's always crazy to me to think that numerous meetings with Sony sales employees and executives were had to come up with this gigantic cluster f*** of a strategy. Sony needs to dump a lot of their cheesy dead weight Playstation execs.

I hold off on preordering until I've seen enough to know I want something these days, I'm in no rush on this.
I read these decisions are coming from Sony North America who has been given more power over decisions Worldwide. Its been confirmed they were also behind the gutting of certain internal Sony development studios because of underperformance and is the cause of Sony internal development losing talent to the competition around the globe.

None of these Corporations learn a damn thing unless it hits the share price. And even after being hit with a giant humble pie they eat it and forget soon after.
 

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A bit off topic but I personally like this seesaw of arrogance generations between MS and Sony.

Sony got arrogant with the Ps3 causing MS to innovate a be pro-consumer with the 360. Which caused MS to get arrogant with the One and served humble pie by the PS4 and it's brilliance ( arguable the best generation of games EVER from Sony). Going into this generation it looks like Sony is on its arrogance cycle again which should push pro-consumer moves and risks at MS to catch up to the market leader.

Somewhere in the middle is Nintendo that goes to the beat of its own drum despite whatever MS and Sony do.

Y'all, with all 3 major players in the console space getting serious about gaming and the competition, this has the potential to be one of the greatest generations of console gaming we've seen in quite some time if not the best by the end of the generation.
 

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  • Fast loading: Fast-travel across the map and get back into the game almost instantly with the PS5 console's ultra high-speed SSD and fast load times.
  • Stunning visuals: Experience the vast world of Horizon Forbidden West in stunning 4K and HDR.* From mountain tops to small sprigs of leaves, everything is realized to incredible detail at an enormous scale. Targeting 60fps, Performance Mode further enhances smoothness of movement, animations and controls.
  • Haptic feedback: Get closer to each fight Aloy takes on with the DualSense™ wireless controller's haptic feedback. Feel the sensation of blades of grass you brush past when making a stealth approach, melee swipes you make against machines and armored humans, and the directional impact from enemy attacks when you attempt to evade.
  • Adaptive triggers: Enjoy a new level of immersion when you interact with different objects using the DualSense wireless controller's adaptive triggers. Feel the tension in the string of your bow, the pull of your new grappling tool and the resistance of the triggers on heavy tribal and mechanical weapons.
  • Tempest 3D AudioTech on compatible headphones: Listen to the landscapes of Horizon Forbidden West come to life around you with the PS5 console's Tempest 3D AudioTech. Hear vegetation rustle in the wind, birds flying overhead and large mechanical machines swimming in the water below as you explore environments teeming with wildlife and machines.
  • The PS5 version will have two modes, one is a performance mode which will run at 60fps only on PS5, and the other Quality mode which will be 4k at 30fps.
  • Things on the PS5 will be render at a higher resolution, such as each individual strand of moss is rendered separately
  • They have something call a cinematic lighting rig which travels along with Aloy whenever she moves, it lights up her entire character on the PS5. With PS4 it will only be in cinematics
  • The game fully the supports the Dualsense and 3D audio on the PS5
  • The rendering technique for the underwater scenes is special on the PS5 it has extra details and extra systems, the wave technique is better on the PS5 as well.
  • The game does use raytracing on the PS5
 

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  • Fast loading: Fast-travel across the map and get back into the game almost instantly with the PS5 console's ultra high-speed SSD and fast load times.
  • Stunning visuals: Experience the vast world of Horizon Forbidden West in stunning 4K and HDR.* From mountain tops to small sprigs of leaves, everything is realized to incredible detail at an enormous scale. Targeting 60fps, Performance Mode further enhances smoothness of movement, animations and controls.
  • Haptic feedback: Get closer to each fight Aloy takes on with the DualSense™ wireless controller's haptic feedback. Feel the sensation of blades of grass you brush past when making a stealth approach, melee swipes you make against machines and armored humans, and the directional impact from enemy attacks when you attempt to evade.
  • Adaptive triggers: Enjoy a new level of immersion when you interact with different objects using the DualSense wireless controller's adaptive triggers. Feel the tension in the string of your bow, the pull of your new grappling tool and the resistance of the triggers on heavy tribal and mechanical weapons.
  • Tempest 3D AudioTech on compatible headphones: Listen to the landscapes of Horizon Forbidden West come to life around you with the PS5 console's Tempest 3D AudioTech. Hear vegetation rustle in the wind, birds flying overhead and large mechanical machines swimming in the water below as you explore environments teeming with wildlife and machines.
  • The PS5 version will have two modes, one is a performance mode which will run at 60fps only on PS5, and the other Quality mode which will be 4k at 30fps.
  • Things on the PS5 will be render at a higher resolution, such as each individual strand of moss is rendered separately
  • They have something call a cinematic lighting rig which travels along with Aloy whenever she moves, it lights up her entire character on the PS5. With PS4 it will only be in cinematics
  • The game fully the supports the Dualsense and 3D audio on the PS5
  • The rendering technique for the underwater scenes is special on the PS5 it has extra details and extra systems, the wave technique is better on the PS5 as well.
  • The game does use raytracing on the PS5

Add another raytracing first party title to their lineup.

The PS5 enhancements sound great.
 
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  • Fast loading: Fast-travel across the map and get back into the game almost instantly with the PS5 console's ultra high-speed SSD and fast load times.
  • Stunning visuals: Experience the vast world of Horizon Forbidden West in stunning 4K and HDR.* From mountain tops to small sprigs of leaves, everything is realized to incredible detail at an enormous scale. Targeting 60fps, Performance Mode further enhances smoothness of movement, animations and controls.
  • Haptic feedback: Get closer to each fight Aloy takes on with the DualSense™ wireless controller's haptic feedback. Feel the sensation of blades of grass you brush past when making a stealth approach, melee swipes you make against machines and armored humans, and the directional impact from enemy attacks when you attempt to evade.
  • Adaptive triggers: Enjoy a new level of immersion when you interact with different objects using the DualSense wireless controller's adaptive triggers. Feel the tension in the string of your bow, the pull of your new grappling tool and the resistance of the triggers on heavy tribal and mechanical weapons.
  • Tempest 3D AudioTech on compatible headphones: Listen to the landscapes of Horizon Forbidden West come to life around you with the PS5 console's Tempest 3D AudioTech. Hear vegetation rustle in the wind, birds flying overhead and large mechanical machines swimming in the water below as you explore environments teeming with wildlife and machines.
  • The PS5 version will have two modes, one is a performance mode which will run at 60fps only on PS5, and the other Quality mode which will be 4k at 30fps.
  • Things on the PS5 will be render at a higher resolution, such as each individual strand of moss is rendered separately
  • They have something call a cinematic lighting rig which travels along with Aloy whenever she moves, it lights up her entire character on the PS5. With PS4 it will only be in cinematics
  • The game fully the supports the Dualsense and 3D audio on the PS5
  • The rendering technique for the underwater scenes is special on the PS5 it has extra details and extra systems, the wave technique is better on the PS5 as well.
  • The game does use raytracing on the PS5

Those bullet points where I bolded do not sound like Sony wrote them.
 
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  • Fast loading: Fast-travel across the map and get back into the game almost instantly with the PS5 console's ultra high-speed SSD and fast load times.
  • Stunning visuals: Experience the vast world of Horizon Forbidden West in stunning 4K and HDR.* From mountain tops to small sprigs of leaves, everything is realized to incredible detail at an enormous scale. Targeting 60fps, Performance Mode further enhances smoothness of movement, animations and controls.
  • Haptic feedback: Get closer to each fight Aloy takes on with the DualSense™ wireless controller's haptic feedback. Feel the sensation of blades of grass you brush past when making a stealth approach, melee swipes you make against machines and armored humans, and the directional impact from enemy attacks when you attempt to evade.
  • Adaptive triggers: Enjoy a new level of immersion when you interact with different objects using the DualSense wireless controller's adaptive triggers. Feel the tension in the string of your bow, the pull of your new grappling tool and the resistance of the triggers on heavy tribal and mechanical weapons.
  • Tempest 3D AudioTech on compatible headphones: Listen to the landscapes of Horizon Forbidden West come to life around you with the PS5 console's Tempest 3D AudioTech. Hear vegetation rustle in the wind, birds flying overhead and large mechanical machines swimming in the water below as you explore environments teeming with wildlife and machines.
  • The PS5 version will have two modes, one is a performance mode which will run at 60fps only on PS5, and the other Quality mode which will be 4k at 30fps.
  • Things on the PS5 will be render at a higher resolution, such as each individual strand of moss is rendered separately
  • They have something call a cinematic lighting rig which travels along with Aloy whenever she moves, it lights up her entire character on the PS5. With PS4 it will only be in cinematics
  • The game fully the supports the Dualsense and 3D audio on the PS5
  • The rendering technique for the underwater scenes is special on the PS5 it has extra details and extra systems, the wave technique is better on the PS5 as well.
  • The game does use raytracing on the PS5

Those bullet points where I bolded do not sound like Sony wrote them.
Forget if I found said link on Twitter or Reddit, I didn’t read all of it, just saw bullet points and did a copy paste….there were other links but wasn’t sure if it’s all copy in one go. I’ll update later if I remember
 
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