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Neither do Xfanboys.
You can't deny Xbox line up is very low effort. They have 1 or 2 AAA games a year. Sony line up is far more rounded. They have a quality mix of AAA, Indies and VR.
As of now I don't see value in Xbox. The smaller games are cool but it's not why I spend 500+. Graphically Sony games are more impressive and they haven't shown 1 next gen game running on XSX.
*cough*https://unionvgf.com/index.php?threads/spider-man-miles-morales.169578/post-814400*cough*
it’s not the rona, I swear!
Funny thing is Gamespot and IGN have been tweeting out that PS5 game file sizes are huge totally ignoring that plenty of current gen games are bigger and of course they ignored the Miles Morales being smaller even with higher quality assets.
They been on pro xb,negative PS news ever since getting the xbox one x exclusive.
Could it be better data compression etc? I'm pretty surprised to see the smaller file size.
Neither do Xfanboys.
You can't deny Xbox line up is very low effort. They have 1 or 2 AAA games a year. Sony line up is far more rounded. They have a quality mix of AAA, Indies and VR.
As of now I don't see value in Xbox. The smaller games are cool but it's not why I spend 500+. Graphically Sony games are more impressive and they haven't shown 1 next gen game running on XSX.
It's almost like MS needs some work to do to bolster that first party line up.
Plenty of value and reasons to own an xbox but if it's not for you that's cool.
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Cerny talked about not having to repeat assets because the SSD could just find them faster etc and I'm sure compression is better as well. I'm sure as time goes on and we get 100% built from the ground up open world games file sizes will increase a bit but these stupid websites with their supposed "journalists" don't seem to know as much as those of us who post here and we just follow this stuff for a hobby we aren't paid for it.
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That survey only questioned Americans so it's likely to be much closer than a global survey would be, this is Xbox's strongest market by far.
Some current-gen games smaller size then some cross-gen games don't change the point about next-gen games being far larger in size in general.
You do not even need to know much about game development to make this obvious deduction.
It is. It is something I have complained about since the last 2 years of last gen. Even their mainstay titles haven't done much, Gears has just stood still and hasn't really progressed, and Forza Motorsport has just got worse culminating in the very poor Forza 7.Neither do Xfanboys.
You can't deny Xbox line up is very low effort. They have 1 or 2 AAA games a year. Sony line up is far more rounded. They have a quality mix of AAA, Indies and VR.
As of now I don't see value in Xbox. The smaller games are cool but it's not why I spend 500+. Graphically Sony games are more impressive and they haven't shown 1 next gen game running on XSX.
Hey! Look. Don't get it wrong, I buy cconsoles for the blockbuster AAA titles aswell. Something like is Ori is great but I wouldn't buy a console for it. Great indie titles aere nice filler.
But that is my point. You're condemning the strategy based on your subjective opinion of a game. A game I assume you didn't finish.
For what it was tryingg to be Hellblade was good.
They are pointing to two games as their evidence that PS5 games are huge yet they point to two games that are smaller than many current gen AAA titles so it's just a stupid thing to bring up until they have actual examples of games that are substantially larger than games we have now. Miles Morales on PS5 is slightly smaller than on PS4, when you combine the PS4 version of the original game and it's DLC with PS4 Miles Morales you come out to basically the same size as the PS5 versions of both games combined and those versions have higher end assets etc.
Demon's Souls isn't cross gen and it's a hell of a lot smaller at 66GB than TLOU2 which is as 100GB on it's own and it's also substantially smaller than the One X versions of Gears 4, Halo 5 and Forza 7. Yes those games are different types of games and have multiplayer etc but the point is 66GB for a game isn't a crazy size by current gen standards for AAA games yet these sites are trying to pretend it's unheard of or some massive jump in size because they want clicks.
I wasn't condemning anything I was responding to a tweet that said they were going to be making 5 AAA games a year and I said that's not what they were doing and that they've said they'll be doing more AA stuff.
How dare you! Gears made the main character female, don't you know that is the most progress any game has ever made? lol Who cares if she's dry and boring and looks like a barista in battle armor? so what if she feels the exact same to play as the male characters that came before her? the fact that she's female means the game is an automatic 12 out of 10!
Which then prompted the whole 'Hellblade isn't good enough" stuff. Ok. Condemn might have been a bit too strong a word.
We also need to keep in mind that nothing from these new studios have anything to do with MS so far.
Someone put this guy on the Xbox Do Not Buy list.How dare you! Gears made the main character female, don't you know that is the most progress any game has ever made? lol Who cares if she's dry and boring and looks like a barista in battle armor? so what if she feels the exact same to play as the male characters that came before her? the fact that she's female means the game is an automatic 12 out of 10!
Not this. It's beyond ridiculous. It's quite hilarious that some will continue to shoot that shot, though.
You do not need to see next-gen games that are substantially larger to make an obvious deduction. The point is very valid as the storage space of both next-gen consoles are tiny comparatively, & game size has grown exponentially generation to generation, & far exceed the growth of HDD capacity.
The storage solutions of XboxsX & especially PS5 are a concern, especially when they want people to go digital. Also, not everyone has high-speed internet. Sure I can get high-speed internet, but it cost a bomb here. Like us$95/mth & I am not spending this kind of money especially in this time of uncertainty.
At least Xbox, you can get a glorified overprice "memory card", which I am sure will come done in cost & capacity with 3rd parties & overtime. Its expensive but more dummy-proof for your average gamers. For PS5, they expect you to
a) Know you can expand the capacity
b) Get a correct compatible SSD drive
c) Install the drive
Then what happened after using up the extra SSD drive? A new larger one to replace the last one, & how do you transfer the data from the old one to the new one? All valid questions. Should we just ignore & make it swappable (on something mean to install once or twice, not swappable ) like the XBOXs X "Memory card". As a hardware developer, I can tell you something that is mean to be installed (not swappable) has a different set of the lifecycle of plug & unplug requirement, with not swappable device far lower.
If you ask me, a solution is an external HDD (That acts as a glorified CD shelf) that can be connected permanently to the consoles. Games you playing currently you put in your SSD. With a press of a button, you can swap games between the SSD & the HDD (dummy proof), & the OS will do all the work for you.
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So, instead of loading times, we'll have "copying the game from the cheap drive to the expensive one" times?
But are gamre sizes realoy going to grow? My understanding is the main reason for game size growth is due to 2 things, audio files and more notabally textures. Not sure if the 3D audio on XSX is goinh to cause increases. I doubt many games will actually use 8K textures either.
So, with the shrink of gamre sizes thanks to the SSD and no longer needing duplicate files, and improved compression systems which should help, and the fact texture sizes are not likely to increase massively, means game sizes should be around what we have now.
Or am I wrong?
Here are some numbers I pulled up, from my own game in development (uncompressed) These are not hard values, as everything has a range but more ballpark
(Audio at 1411kps WAV)
Typical sound effect (like gunshot sound) about 2mb
2 min music track 17mb
Textures in png (note that a typical model usually use 3 textures, namely color map, packed map (Roughness/reflectiveness, metallic, AO. Each on a color channel & alpha) & Normal map. Emissive (if part of the model has its own lights) & transparency map may also be used.
1K 0.75mb
2K 3mb
4K 9mb
8k 32mb
3D models (average in FBX format, expect next-gen to easily 4x this number)
0.5mb-1.5mb
Mega scan uncompress (reduced) models can be over 0.5GB
Depends on the compression & how much is the loss or any. 1/4 of the uncompressed size or even less maybe be achievable.
Fancy Tech that upscale lower res to 4k may further reduce native texture resolution.
So in essence, its hard to make a good estimate size relative to the current-gen, but the educational guess it will be larger, but by how much is up in the air
(Audio at 1411kps WAV)
Typical sound effect (like gunshot sound) about 2mb
2 min music track 17mb
Textures in png (note that a typical model usually use 3 textures, namely color map, packed map (Roughness/reflectiveness, metallic, AO. Each on a color channel & alpha) & Normal map. Emissive (if part of the model has its own lights) & transparency map may also be used.
1K 0.75mb
2K 3mb
4K 9mb
8k 32mb
3D models (average in FBX format, expect next-gen to easily 4x this number)
0.5mb-1.5mb
Mega scan uncompress (reduced) models can be over 0.5GB
Depends on the compression & how much is the loss or any. 1/4 of the uncompressed size or even less maybe be achievable.
Fancy Tech that upscale lower res to 4k may further reduce native texture resolution.
So in essence, its hard to make a good estimate size relative to the current-gen, but the educational guess it will be larger, but by how much is up in the air
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Neither do Xfanboys.
You can't deny Xbox line up is very low effort. They have 1 or 2 AAA games a year. Sony line up is far more rounded. They have a quality mix of AAA, Indies and VR.
As of now I don't see value in Xbox. The smaller games are cool but it's not why I spend 500+. Graphically Sony games are more impressive and they haven't shown 1 next gen game running on XSX.
They need first party games for sure. But you don't see value in Xbox? Thats laughable.
You forgot to add if someone disagrees with you, its because they are sexist, or racist & they cannot stand seeing a strong "woman of color" as the protagonist in a major video game.How dare you! Gears made the main character female, don't you know that is the most progress any game has ever made? lol Who cares if she's dry and boring and looks like a barista in battle armor? so what if she feels the exact same to play as the male characters that came before her? the fact that she's female means the game is an automatic 12 out of 10!
On a serious note, I played Gears 5 & I think the campaign is pretty good. As far as character-wise, at least they are not so cringe to remind you how she is a woman & how stunning & how brave she because of this & how bad men are. But there is very little character development & character interaction, unlike OG gears bros.
They pair you with some generic dude that I don't even remember the name. Was she support to be a love interest or buddy? BArely any hint.
In the end (spoiler) when I have to pick between him & Felix Marcus' son (which I barely know. never played 4), it's an easy choice. No way am I going to let Felix's son died over generic dude.
When Dom died, it was emotional for me. When Felix was finally with Alya, I was like "finally" because they made us cared. After the choice sense in gears 5, I was like what's next.....lol
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