MS also said the had cloud based gaming ready for this gen too. Hell, Crackdown 3 was supposed to be the realization of this dream. Hasn't worked out as planned. I'm cautiously optimistic for them but the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
Microsoft’s next-generation Xbox will focus on ‘XCloud’ game streaming
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MS also said the had cloud based gaming ready for this gen too. Hell, Crackdown 3 was supposed to be the realization of this dream. Hasn't worked out as planned. I'm cautiously optimistic for them but the proof is in the pudding so to speak.
Yeah, I played a few games, back 3 or 4 years ago. Lag wasn't really a problem for me. Visuals seemed downgraded a bit, though. Also, those were PS2 titles, which are much less demanding than current (to say nothing of next gen) titles. Also, it was all SP. I am assuming MS's service will be MP-friendly. At that point, you're dealing with latency not just to and from one player, but back and forth between 10 or 20 people.
But the backlash was because they gave no one a choice. There will be a choice here.
I'm skeptical, too. I said the same earlier -- that I was not going to necessarily believe Thurott on this point (solving the latency issue), because he seems to be in love with MS. He doesn't sound objective. Otoh, if it's true -- if they have found a way to reduce latency substantially -- that could be a game-changer. Overall, though, I'm in "wait and see" mode.
Yeah, I don't personally think it's possible to have a great experience, so it will not be my go to choice for consoles. I will be traditional always. Once that is gone, I will not be buying future devices for gaming.
1. Isn't that like saying "Wayne Gretzky missed a pass before. He shouldn't try passing again". All of these companies make gamble's on the future. None of them are making these gamble's because they're 100 percent certain of the outcome. Taking a gamble on streaming in 2020 just doesn't sound like that big of a risk.
2. Anecdotal evidence is nice but I'm not sure it's relavent in a topic as big as this. Here's what a simple Google search provided. Internet speeds, on average, seem to increase every year despite the "lack of ISP competition".
https://www.statista.com/statistics/616210/average-internet-connection-speed-in-the-us/#0
3. I don't think this is a binary issue. This isn't a "Will work over this number. Will not work under this number". I think we have to keep in mind that we're a very specific and small percentage of the gaming audience. We argue about the PS4s supposed graphical advantage over the XBox One. We argue about 30fps vs 60fps vs 120fps. Things that are meaningless and imperceptible to 99% of the public. Wheras we scoff at a certain amount of input lag, others will most likely not notice, and that threshold is different for everyone. I'm not sure if 50 down is all that different from 40 down for alot of people.
4. Did the XBox One X meaningfully expand their ecosystem? I would argue a $99 dollar streaming box has much more potential to do so than the X ever did.
One more point. This all kicked off for me because of a tinge of disdain I was picking up from certain people. "A waste of resources" they called it. Um, what resources is this exactly chewing up? What could MS be investing in that you're sorely going to miss? This isn't hurting the XBox Scarlet (I would think) and it's not like PSVR. A device that pulled development talent off the PS4 and placed it exclusively on a device that millions aren't going to appreciate.
Like they did with Kinect 2.0,Crackdown 3 using the cloud for visuals/physics,Hololens....
All the data in the world, except for the data you can find in 10 minutes showing it is not something gamers want.
Weird to see opposition on the optional hardware.
Sony has targeted the same thing and even released a streaming only console, though to be fair their online implementation is totally s***. No doubt they'll have one next gen as well with hopefully a better iteration PS Now.
Sony has targeted the same thing and even released a streaming only console, though to be fair their online implementation is totally s***. No doubt they'll have one next gen as well with hopefully a better iteration PS Now.
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but isn't that the same with people who didn't want to go broadband when Xbox first came out and look what happen there.
They have?
edit: Do you mean PSTV? I owned one of those little buggers for about 3 months, until I got rid of it. It wasn't a streaming-only console. It worked with the little Vita cartridges, too. You could stream PS4 gameplay, but that's different than the model MS is pursuing because you'd have to own a PS4, and it was just local Wi-Fi.
Oh, I just looked it up, and I was reminded that you could also access PSNow through it. I forgot that. That must be what you're referring to. I don't think that was the main selling point, at least as far as I remember. I think people got it mostly for PS4 remote play or as a way to play old Vita games on their TV. It flopped because most people didn't want to do either of those things all that much.
Anyhow, MS's idea seems like a completely different monkey.
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Kinect 2.0 worked great for me! Crackdown 3 is still operational and will arrive in Feb. Hololens?.........what about Hololens?!
No man we didn't want mandated always online and kinect having to be hooked up to play xbox.
Exactly. We’re discussing what’s possible now, but by then they might have a way to really make it work.
Maybe.
If they are really putting a lot of resources behind this, there is huge potential.
I’m curious when they’ll show something, although based off the past 2 E3s, it seems like they will probably have at least something hardware related to show/mention.
Their goal is to get people into the ecosystem. If they can get a halfway decent subscription box out there, and bring GP up to the point where it's an attractive option for the $99 crowd, they will really have something.
Yup, scalability across a whole ecosystem. They don’t care what platform you buy their stuff on, as long as you buy it. Casual to hardcore, PC, console, ‘lite’ console, streaming box....everyone can play with/against each other. Buy it on one, play on any.
It’s a pretty huge vision. Time will tell if they can pull it off successfully, but adding a streaming box (that actually works), can really draw in a casual gamer who doesn’t want to drop $300-500 on full console. Add GP and you can play hundreds of games for the price of 2-3 new ones.
This isn’t something MS are forcing on people right? They’re still going to be releasing a “normal next gen console? If so, what’s all the drama about?
We are still going to have a console that works the same old way. But they have another one for people who might want to try something different.
I don't think its a full 100% streaming service but I do think it a key play.
I don't think its a full 100% streaming service but I do think it a key play.
Sounds like they'll be trying to push their original Xbox One vision again. Having it as an option or not won't matter. People are going to prefer having physical hardware and games for a long time. It's different from music and books.
Still don't know how people can read books on a tablet. I've never actually given it a real chance but part of the experience is owning the book in my opinion. Can't ever see a future where everything is completely digital but keep trying Microsoft.
Still don't know how people can read books on a tablet. I've never actually given it a real chance but part of the experience is owning the book in my opinion. Can't ever see a future where everything is completely digital but keep trying Microsoft.
No, it's not the same at all. Your memory must be fading. Let me remind you of what the "original Xbox vision" entailed: mandatory Kinect, mandatory online check-ins, mandatory DRM, and mandatory restrictions on used game trades/sales. If you wanted an Xbox One without any of that, you were f*cked. No choice. One size fits all, and everybody better get with the program and follow MS's agenda for the future of gaming. That was the "original Xbox One vision."
There is none of that here. And thank goodness. The last thing they need to do is trot out the "original Xbox One vision," which was resoundingly rejected by consumers and which badly damaged MS this generation.
The only thing you might say it has in common is the required internet connection -- which of course it has, because it's streamed content. But even then, it's not mandatory -- if you don't like it, you have another version of the console to choose from.