[Money-talk] Minimum wage to rise in 13 states on Jan. 1.

but the lifers who've been working there for 10 years who expect higher wages than the newcomers. They are the ones who are rallying for this wage increase in the first place and if I was McD I'd can them first.

So if you where given the choice like you mentioned, you would really can your most productive, loyal workers first? Makes sense.

  • Fire loyal proven employees
  • Keep newbs & kids who could give less of a s*** about anything but getting some new shoes with there pay check
  • ????
  • Profit!
 
1) Fire everyone
2) Hire superhot women
3) ????
4) Profit
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Yeah, if people love your hobby (whatever it is), then I know they more than likely to pay you to do anything for them. My wife works at restaurant and she makes decent money. But on the hobby side, she makes home-make fudge chocolate with very rich taste. So far, she made almost more than $200 for the past few months because people are starting to ask her to make more.

She can make white chocolate mint candy, chocolate fudge with or without nuts, peanut butter-flavor with chocolate and much more. I cannot believe more and more people are asking her to make some more for them. Amazing. Hobby does give you a nice cash if you know what you're doing.
All of a sudden my mouth just got watery lol.
 
Mickey dees is like 9 bucks for a large Big Mac meal near me.those workers will never get 15 bucks an hour if they do they will only work 5 hours a week lol
 
Mickey dees is like 9 bucks for a large Big Mac meal near me.those workers will never get 15 bucks an hour if they do they will only work 5 hours a week lol
Agreed. And yeah the price of fast food (not that I get it very often) is already getting to be ridiculous.
 
I'm all for raising the minimum wage....15 is excessive though.

Minimum needs to go up. You can't have cost of living go up every year yet keep minimum the same as it's been for years, all while corporations are posting record profits year after year. And you can't go on and on about "just get some education and get a better job" because there's simply not enough jobs for every american that is able to work.

But yeah, 15 is wayyyyy too much of a hike. 7.50-9 (depending on where you live) is a good enough increase.

I'm less concerned though with minimum wage, and more concerned with the fact that average salaries really haven't changed much in over 10 years, while cost of living has continued to go up.
 
Stupid people I tell you. If they raise it to 15 then EVERYTHING will go up in price. Even itune songs will probably go up 3 dollars a pop. People making 20 an hour will all of a sudden make 25-30. Gas prices will sky rocket.. Groceries will be at an all time high.. We will end up paying more taxes and the list goes on and on.

Then people will feel like they are back to square one because even though they are getting 15 an hour now everything around them has gone way up to balance the worth of the dollar... And they will be dumb enough to ask for another raise.

This is why 15 an hour for fast food services or any other minimun paying job won't work.

You want more money? EARN it. I know job hunting and landing a decent paying job is not easy but then again what is? If you have a hobby and you can make extra cash on the side through it then make it work for example there's people that DJ on the side or do tattoos on the side and I'm sure there's plenty more things you can do on the side to make extra butter.

You're being a bit drastic.

What would probably happen is less jobs will be available in fast food. The 200 applications one skilled position gets will be moved, allowing employers to be more picky. There would be more automation, allowing employers to cut costs.

As for your other examples, rising costs in one industry wouldn't really raise costs in another industry.
 
Meh. This is America. If the Fast Food workers do a good job, upper management, CEOs, and the shareholders get the benefits and profit sharing. That's the funny thing about telling these people to just work harder.

Anyway where I used to live, if a person wants to earn more money, it means they're cooking Meth.

Most of Michigan is still an economic disaster. I've graduated and hoping to GTFO of this state. Not many people are able to do that.
 
Actually, this thread give me an idea.

@Intellevision is apparently brilliant at gaining employment. I'm wondering what he would do in my position.

I was Truck Driving. My parents offered to help me go to college because my mom thought I'd get killed on the highway. i've just completed a 2 Year Associates Degree in Cyber Security and finishing up a Christmas break.

I'm at my folks' place in Iron Mountain, MI. Relatives down south have offered to let me stay at their place temporarily near Birmingham, Alabama. I have money to get down there and cover expenses for about a month.

If Intellivision was in my position what would he do to get a high paying job in Birmingham? It sounds like he has the smarts to not have to get a low wage job.
 
So if you where given the choice like you mentioned, you would really can your most productive, loyal workers first? Makes sense.

  • Fire loyal proven employees
  • Keep newbs & kids who could give less of a s*** about anything but getting some new shoes with there pay check
  • ????
  • Profit!

Worked well for Circuit City.
 
So if you where given the choice like you mentioned, you would really can your most productive, loyal workers first? Makes sense.

  • Fire loyal proven employees
  • Keep newbs & kids who could give less of a s*** about anything but getting some new shoes with there pay check
  • ????
  • Profit!
Who ever said the longest standing employees are the most hard working?

Case in point, I worked min wage summer jobs in between university years and I made more units at assembly line jobs than the vets who'd been there longer and probably making 3x the wages. Easiest job ever. It was from 4:00pm to 12:30am. I'd churn out stuff to 12:15am leaving me 15 minutes to clean up, check the machine counter and record the data in the log book. There was no graveyard shift, so my evening shift was the last one until the morning shift came. The vets would stop at 11:30-11:45pm, and take their sweet time sweeping their station (which a half crippled granny could do in 10 minutes) as the supervisor left at the end of the day shift. So the evening shift was a bunch of vets and some summer help students. It got to a point, a vet came up to me and said not to work so much and stop earlier like them.

Screw them.

And by the looks of the business, we're not talking a rich auto company. This place was half empty and even lost a line of production of some other product to some place in BRAZIL, so if anything this place needs all the extra product made as possible given a set of hour wages..... the whole Cost of Goods as a ratio of labour wage thing. You don't have to be a business student (which I was at the time) to realize that kind of thing. Maybe if half the assheads in the place had better production, the company would be doing better and they wouldn't have outsourced a line of products to South America. Looking back, it was a crappy job, but one I still look back and say "hey, I was paid shyt, but did some quality work and churned out a heck of a number of quality units. I hope the extra production helped". I estimated that out of the let's say 70 summer days I was there, I made about 300 more per day than an avg vet..... so about 20,000 more coming from a guy making 1/3rd the wages. Every bit counts.

When it comes to low wage low skilled jobs, I've seen absolutely no correlation in quality between youngsters vs. a lifer who looks like they've been working a cash register or flipping burgers for 10 years..... with exception of that noobie who's just getting trained. If anything, I think the young person is more eager to help and do a quality job than some 45 year old whose ore likely to be miserable. But even then so for a McD's job, it doesn't affect the food and service much because the job is easy and so much of it is covered with machines and manuals with timers and such. We're not talking AAA gourmet food here needing chefs training.

Putting on my corporate hat on, I'd rather keep my fast food joint afloat with part time students and 20-something people using the job as a temporary fix, then rely on the longstanding workers. It's not the 16 year old Fry Guy causing the $15/hr protests. It's the 30+ year old workers stuck in a crappy job trying to support a family with no skills to go elsewhere. On one hand, they need the job, on the other hand they have nowhere else to go and complain.
 
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That's weird. I shop at Costco all the time. Despite offering decent salaries to employees their prices are as low if not lower than other big box discount stores. Shouldn't their stock do bad? Maybe they make very little profit? Or they're not growing? Nope. Nope. Nope.
 
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I think this is a little unfair to the longterm workers. Intellivision just sees them all as lazy. I think they were once young hopeful employees who thought one day hard work would lead to promotions or better pay and for some reason it never happened.

Or in some cases, upper management leaves such workers trapped to keep crappy jobs filled. If a new position opens, management hires from outside instead of promoting within their own ranks.

I can easily imagine a hypothetical situation where a fast food worker took classes at a community college for an Associates Degree hoping to leverage that to move up to managment, and getting passed over by Human Resources in favor of hiring a manager from outside.

Probably, these longterm Burnedout workers should have just quit and moved on. Or they should quit now and seek a better opporunity. However, if they put down roots, they may be stuck. They may even be staying on only for the health insurance. Or they don't want to lose the seniority they've accumulated and if they hang on they might just barely gain a retirement pension.
 
minimum wage is stupid this when the laws of economics works against it...why liberals continue to proclaim the economic benefits/value of the minimum wage I don't know, but one thing I do know is the fact they enjoy seeing people trapped in a endless cycle of poverty and despair...see obamacare

speaking of, this is the most most flawed argument for the minimum....its really amazing how economically illiterate leftist are:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/7...the-minimum-wage-should-be-raised-immediately

also speaking of, other than the minimum wage labor laws should also be done away with.
 
That's weird. I shop at Costco all the time. Despite offering decent salaries to employees their prices are as low if not lower than other big box discount stores. Shouldn't their stock do bad? Maybe they make very little profit? Or they're not growing? Nope. Nope. Nope.

the higher the minimum is, the more people the will be out of work. Why do you think so many so many young people are are unemployed?

 
the higher the minimum is, the more people the will be out of work. Why do you think so many so many young people are are unemployed?


That argument can't go on forever though. How far back do you keep the minimum wage low?

I can say anyone getting a raise could contribute to unemployment.

It's a nonsensical argument without looking at the big picture, and the MANY things that add to unemployment.


At some point, minimum wage needs to increase.
 
What if we did the reverse passing a low forcing the minimum wage Down to $2? It would be so great for the economy and the cost of my burger would surely go way down.

o_O
 
What if we did the reverse passing a low forcing the minimum wage Down to $2? It would be so great for the economy and the cost of my burger would surely go way down.

o_O


How about we do away with government mandated price/cost controls actually let the market do its work?
 
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How about we do away with government mandated price/cost controls actually let the market do its work?

I think capitalism mostly works, but also gives us some insane results to. Just like any kind of free competition. One group wants to get the edge over another until each side starts going to crazy lengths to beat the other in the market.

It makes me think of that show The Men Who Built America on the History Channel. That is a story of ambitious and jealous business men who incidentally benefited America with the infrastructure they built while competing with each other, but their laborers paid the price for it with despicable working conditions and pay. Especially those working for Carnegie.
 
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I think capitalism mostly works, but also gives us some insane results to. Just like any kind of free competition. One group wants to get the edge over another until each side starts going to crazy lengths to beat the other in the market.

It makes me think of that show The Men Who Built America on the History Channel. That is a story of ambitious and jealous business men who incidentally benefited America with the infrastructure they built while competing with each other, but their laborers paid the price for it with despicable working conditions and pay. Especially those working for Carnegie.



Exactly. Capitalism is fine, but you can't give greedy folks free reign either.

People can talk the talk, but in reality, would hate living in an america with no controls. Say good bye to decent raises, vacation time, protections, etc.
 
I think this is a little unfair to the longterm workers. Intellivision just sees them all as lazy. I think they were once young hopeful employees who thought one day hard work would lead to promotions or better pay and for some reason it never happened.

Or in some cases, upper management leaves such workers trapped to keep crappy jobs filled. If a new position opens, management hires from outside instead of promoting within their own ranks.

I can easily imagine a hypothetical situation where a fast food worker took classes at a community college for an Associates Degree hoping to leverage that to move up to managment, and getting passed over by Human Resources in favor of hiring a manager from outside.

Not true. I never said all longterm employees are lazy. I just gave an example.

My point is low skilled jobs are pretty easy to do by young people, so for the sake of companies keeping their businesses going while still having decent service, I don't see much difference between focusing on high school part timers and those 20-somthing transition people vs. that veteran low wage workers who have been there a while. As I said, it's not the young people making the big stink about supporting a family and collecting food stamps while working and McD's. They are just joining in because it's a big organized protest, so might as well join in for the ride.

As for people getting passed by for promotions, that's life. Some people get good jobs that pay a lot, some don't. It's a combo of luck, skills, location, and job field. Kissing ass can work too. Also, jobs always have a pyramid effect where you have a small handful of top cheeses, more managers in the middle, then tons of lower ranked people. It's impossible for lots of people to be higher ranked (let's say a middle manager) because they wouldn't have enough people to manage. You can't make everyone all get promoted at the same time.

Also, companies hire from the outside for numerous reasons. One factor is simply wanting new blood and fresh ideas. Another is simply they don't feel the current crop of people have the skills to do the job. It may have nothing to do with money.

Probably, these longterm Burnedout workers should have just quit and moved on. Or they should quit now and seek a better opporunity. However, if they put down roots, they may be stuck. They may even be staying on only for the health insurance. Or they don't want to lose the seniority they've accumulated and if they hang on they might just barely gain a retirement pension.
What ever the reasons are for someone being stuck, that's life. There's reasons why someone may be forcing themselves to stick around a fast food joint job, but that's too bad. If somebody doesn't like it, move on. Considering they are even sticking around making McChickens goes to show they should actually be happy McD's is offering a job. Take away many of these low level jobs and they wouldn't even have one.

Just like those handful of seniors sitting in that greeting chair at Walmart. The probably get paid $10/hr to sit there doing nothing but stare at the wall. They don't greet, they don't do bag/receipt checks for theft, if someone walks out the door and the security alarm goes off, they hardly even ask to check to see if everything is ok. Blind eye. Zero value. If anything, they should be lucky WM even offers that job because no other retailer or restaurant I know has so many people just standing or sitting there doing nothing.

Just because someone is in a crappy job forever and needs to stick around, people can't expect the business to bail them out. People should get themself out of the mess, or not get into the mess in the first place.

Sure, it would great if I was in a mess and expected my company to jack up my pay to cover me. Up to me. If I want a raise, I have to prove to them I'm worth it.... a combo of showing them what a good job I'm doing and hoping there isn't anyone else out there that they can replace me with if I bolt. I might win, I might lose.

All these fast food guys are worried because they know deep down their skills are low, they deserve low wages and if any of them tried to negotiate a $15/hr raise with the boss mano-a-mano they know they could be replaced with another low skilled person in 2 seconds. And that's if the boss doesn't just try to save the bucks and spread around the load to the other 8 low skilled people working there on a typical shift.

Just like my example above when I was young a messing around with lousy summer jobs paying min wage. I stuck it out for summer cash, but went to school, got a degree, then got some low starting jobs out of school like everyone else. I had school debt like everyone else I knew and didn't even have my own car yet until my bro gave me his clunker later which I had to ditch a few years later as it was falling apart in year one (thank you for that gasket leak repair bill!). Had to go into more debt to buy my own car. Not like I was a Harvard grad getting $200k from Morgan Stanley. But a combo of working hard, knowing friends that helped me with interviews for future stuff, not blowing away cash on stupid things and not going into a credit card debt blackhole is the best way to build up money. Aside from a mortgage, car loan, student loan and needing to buy furniture when I first moved out on one of those 12-month payment plans (crap ass brown couches and bedroom gear), I've never had any other recurring debt. Every other bill was paid off monthly. Even now, when money isn't an issue anymore I still make sure I still look for deals and always pay off my monthly credit card bill on time.

People have to stop whining and be responsible for themselves. Life isn't fair and never will be, but whining about companies to jack up their fast food joint wages is a joke. If anything, why nag them? The government has more money than any corporation out there. Just protest them to give monthly social assistance payouts.
 
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want to see what a high min wage will do look at f***ing Canada where 40 bucks will get you a f***ing single bag of groceries. This is all just class warfare BS by the government to distract people from the real issues and what failures the f***ers are.

I'm sick of people acting like f***ers are dying in the streets form being hungry or cold well besides homeless people who unfortunately most have mental issues. I'm so f***ing poor cry for me now excuse me while I answer my cell phone and then go home to watch my HDTV. People today have no idea WTF poor really is.

I really find it funny the government is playing this s*** up when they're tiring their best to hurt the fast foods places with the whole eat healthy campaign and tiring to ban sofa and tarns fats. Yeah we think them fast food workers we're tiring to put out of work desrive a higher wage.

Also gas is $1.19 in town here so it's sold in litres so it takes 4 to make one gallon so gas is f***ing $4.80 a god damn gallon.

People need to stop looking at just the dollar amount as that is pointless. They need to think what does an hour of work get me. An hour of work in Canada will get you pizza it's the same in the states. This whole $15 an hour will fix everyone issues is such made up BS.
 
I think capitalism mostly works, but also gives us some insane results to. Just like any kind of free competition. One group wants to get the edge over another until each side starts going to crazy lengths to beat the other in the market.

It makes me think of that show The Men Who Built America on the History Channel. That is a story of ambitious and jealous business men who incidentally benefited America with the infrastructure they built while competing with each other, but their laborers paid the price for it with despicable working conditions and pay. Especially those working for Carnegie.

I really enjoyed that documentary. Those guys were ruthless fighting over a huge pot of gold...err oil and trains at the expense of many.