New Sony terms of service. Get your tinfoil ready?

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Plainview

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Not that this is a surprise to anyone, but Sony can monitor your voice communication and will do so. What separates this from others from the past is that they're not saying it's because of law enforcement. They're doing it for their own reasons. I'm not to sure how well that will sit with some people. With the uproar people made about the Xbox One sending pictures of your randomly to their servers, which was proven false, how will the masses react to this? Will people be OK with Sony listening to your conversations at their choosing for their own reasons and not because of law enforcement forcing? via Polygon and Sony (full ToS).

14. Are we monitoring PSN?14.1. Yes but we can't monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you. Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users. This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this.​
 

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dkrause71

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I would say to anyone concerned about this, whether its X1 or PS4, you should know any communication you make whether its phone, computer internet, gaming console leaving your personal network can be tracked.

This ToS is really just pointing that out and like Plainview said, no one should be surprised. I think its concerning and for some outright scary but its also the reality of modern connections.

If you want to avoid this with your console, better make sure you're not connected to the internet and that your consoles WiFi is off.
 

dkrause71

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The ToS does say PSN. Does anyone think Sony isn't going to track what you're doing on its own network?
 

MR SCHULTZ

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Same policy that the PS3 had. Nothing has changed.
I seriously doubt Sony is monitoring people, or further participating in/supplying any kind of email, voice/video chat to any American spy agency.

Here's something for your tinfoil hat though:


 

MR X

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I don't care since I don't use PSN or Xbox Live for that matter.
 

SevenDead1ySinz

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When Sony records: it's ok, that's legal and normal
When Microsoft records: OMGWTFBBQ!!!

LOL, j/k, not surprised, any online communication is going to have the ability of being monitored unless your use something like TOR.
 

menace-uk-

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Nothing new here. Not sure if this was the same on PS3 ( I assume it was), but it is the same as Live on both current and next gen. Given the amount of blatant racism, homophobia and general unsavory comments, it would seem the monitoring is of a minimum .
 
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hrudey

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At this point, I think everyone just needs a huge TOS update from the Internet, which says "Anything that you put here, or uses stuff put here, is probably going to go where you didn't intend for it to go."
 
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consolewarz

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It's standard in TOS contracts.

They're basically saying you can't dump a PS4 Blu-Ray or PSN game onto your PC and try selling the software contents of it. Note the legalese term "Disc-Based software" does not mean the disc itself. The disc itself is fair game for reselling, and PSN games can't be resold anyway.
 

Fish food

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I can't decide if we are moving into a world of "Brave new World" or "1984". It might be both.
 

pravus

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It's standard in TOS contracts.

They're basically saying you can't dump a PS4 Blu-Ray or PSN game onto your PC and try selling the software contents of it. Note the legalese term "Disc-Based software" does not mean the disc itself. The disc itself is fair game for reselling, and PSN games can't be resold anyway.
o_O

Was this a spliced up thread or something?
 

OsanGar

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Just as long as they don't record video of me when I'm naked on the couch like MS is, I'm fine with it!! :crazy:
 

hrudey

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They should monitor for crap like that. boy read IGN's comments on anything.
It's like the site is full of 10 year olds.
I fixed your post, at least the part that was patently in need of fixing. One could argue that ascribing a 10-year-old level of maturity and intelligence to the IGN commenters is overstating it but that's a discussion for another time.
 
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