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Microsoft has sold more software (at least in the US) on the Xbox One, than Sony did on the PS4. 4.8 million in 2013 for X1 vs. 4.2 million for PS4. That is with more PS4 consoles sold in the US than X1's sold. The X1 sold more Call of Duty's, more Battlefields and more exclusives.
http://www.examiner.com/article/battlefield-4-call-of-duty-ghosts-ps4-and-xbox-one-sales-compared
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That is a huge gap for exclusives.
I also read that Forza 5 is now at 1 million.
That was my bad. I was writing quick on my phone and really didn't choose my words properly. I was trying to say that they weren't selling as great as PS4 games were selling....not that they weren't selling great.
As for higher combined total...don't you think it's a bit unfair to compare total sales from 1 game to total sales from 3 games combined? Strange that you would combine 3 games of 3 totally different genres and pit them up against 1 game.
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Not me personally. Like i said, from either side, the exclusives meant nothing for me. Even last gen, it was multiplats that I favored.
And again, "stronger" lineup is an opinion. Exclusives asides, it's a fact that multiplats sell the most, and that's what I'm addressing.
People can continue lumping me in with SDF when I clearly play more xbox games all they want.
Just so you know Qbert, I wasn't by any means lumping you as a SDF. Just because I was quoting you and I mentioned SDF in my discussion I wasn't naming you as one specifically. As you like to do, show me a quote where I called you a SDF'er.
Looks like kvally showed my point pretty well, though it's just NA sales - MS is raping Sony in the exclusive sales department. So while we can discuss opinions on who has a stronger exclusive lineup, the sales are at least showing what consumers are valuing as the better proposition. I would suspect WW sales on exclusives would be fairly consistent.
As for the multiplat sales issue, are the multiplat sales ratios the same as the console sales ratio? If they are at a higher ratio in Sony's favor compared to the consoles sold ratio then you would have a good point that consumers are flocking to Sony because of multiplat superiority. But if the ratio of multiplats sold for Sony compared to MS is lower than the ratio of PS4 consoles to X1 consoles then it could be said people maybe choose multiplats based on friend relationships (Xbox Live seems to have a more developed social network of gamers) over graphical differences.
Looks like kvally showed my point pretty well, though it's just NA sales - MS is raping Sony in the exclusive sales department. So while we can discuss opinions on who has a stronger exclusive lineup, the sales are at least showing what consumers are valuing as the better proposition. I would suspect WW sales on exclusives would be fairly consistent.
As for the multiplat sales issue, are the multiplat sales ratios the same as the console sales ratio? If they are at a higher ratio in Sony's favor compared to the consoles sold ratio then you would have a good point that consumers are flocking to Sony because of multiplat superiority. But if the ratio of multiplats sold for Sony compared to MS is lower than the ratio of PS4 consoles to X1 consoles then it could be said people maybe choose multiplats based on friend relationships (Xbox Live seems to have a more developed social network of gamers) over graphical differences.
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I think we're veering off course from my initial point. I'm just saying, in my opinion, I believe a good solid reason for PS4 selling better (right now) is a "combination" of lower cost and reports of multiplats being either equal or better (even if just a tad bit). News of the lower costs and rumors of better hardware have been out for months, and I think that played a huge deciding role on
If XB1 came out the same price or cheaper, and had the better multiplats, then (I believe) Xb1 would be selling more.
I'm also not saying that those are the only reasons, but they're reasons that I believe played a big part on why PS4 is doing well.
I also believe that the tables will turn once games like TF, Halo, etc start coming out.
If I came off as making it sound like XB1 is no good, that wasn't my intention.
If XB1 came out the same price or cheaper, and had the better multiplats, then (I believe) Xb1 would be selling more.
I'm also not saying that those are the only reasons, but they're reasons that I believe played a big part on why PS4 is doing well.
I also believe that the tables will turn once games like TF, Halo, etc start coming out.
If I came off as making it sound like XB1 is no good, that wasn't my intention.
I think that most PS4 owners know that the games will come based on the PS3 history and that's why they bought the PS4. They have no doubt PS4 will deliver some great exclusives just as the PS3 did.
That was NA, but worldwide, I think they sold more on PS4. Obviously, we have no proof, we only have anecdotal evidence, for example, more people playing BF4 on PS4 than on XB1, vgchartz showing both BF4 and Ghost selling more on PS4 (even though we all know vgchartz not reliable), BF4 selling better on PS4 on amazon than XB1, etc.
We all know XB1 did better in NA in december, but we can't ignore total sales from release worldwide.
True that. And we can't ignore how many countries each console is sold in, we can't ignore console price, and we can't ignore the most important thing here...games. Who has the AAA exclusives, how many, how they are selling and if gamers are happy with the games being made available to them.
Agreed. But we do know that Sony is outpacing X1 by a 4.2 to 3 ratio. Do you really think the software sales of multiplats have that much of a disparity? Actually it would need to be higher than that to fit your theory that one of the reasons people chose Sony was because of the multiplat performance issue.
I really think the main reason for the disparity is the price as well as the number of countries Sony made their product available. Multiplat disparity (or honestly lack thereof) is unfounded though it may arise to be an issue going forward if the trend is for there to be major talking points like 60 vs. 30 fps or 1080p vs. 720p.
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I don't know what the disparity in numbers are, unfortunately, that's simply information that has not been made available to us, in any way shape or form.
Obviously there's no way in telling the real reason why more people brought a PS4, but I can't believe that price was the only determining factor, when for months, the web was ablaze with rumors regarding the PS4 being the stronger platform. If the PS4 was cheaper but the games were Wii like in visuals and performance, the XB1 would most likely have sold more.
That's why I say it's a combination of price and strength.
Of course, I could very well be wrong, I really don't know the hearts of gamers, I could only assume, and we all know what happens when people assume.
I think you (and I) think like a hardcore gamer. It comes as no surprise that you (and most of us) would think that way. Looking outside the box though, we need to see what casual gamers saw. Ones that know nothing about multiplatform comparisons for pixel vs. pixel. I imagine they look at the games available on each console, the price, and what their friends and family are getting. I think only a niche crowd like us would buy a console based 5 multiplatform titles 1 month into a console generation.
True, and while most gamers wouldn't bother with pixel counting...the ones that ran to pre-order had an idea that the PS4 was the better hardware. I mean, every where you turned, that news was shoved down our throats. Your average casual gamer wasn't really the ones running to pre-order once made available. For the most part, it was the gamers that followed what was going, and even knew that it was up for pre-order.
No way to quantify this but you are saying that the majority of sales for X1 and PS4, some 7 million consoles were at the hands of hardcore gamers? Of course we have no way to quantify how many hardcore there are or even arriving at an agreeable definition for that matter but I seriously doubt that many are forum goers scouring the internet for console info like the few of us. I mean isn't GAF considered the worldwide leader for gaming forums and has only like 125,000 members of which I doubt most of those have even dove into a next gen console yet.
psssst... it is about the games. Last gen the same superior performance was spread about the PS3 plus you get a bluray player. Why didn't it double 360 sales from the start?
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Define "plenty" by a number and for better authenticity please provide names. Just a number is fine...have you been keeping a tally? Was it more or less than 5? Or more like 5,000? How many people do you known that said this for you to reach the conclusion that must in turn be what accounts for 7,000,000 consoles sold?
Just trying to make my point as ridiculous as you did by utilizing ridiculously anecdotal evidence.
360 sold software better, because everyone knew the games were better. 360 had a year head start, so obviously, no one was going to wait on the PS3.
However, once the ps3 came out, immediately it was seen how ahead the 360 was, and for pretty much the life of the 360, people more often than not, opted for the better versions of the game.
It's going to be similar now. Some people are going to opt for the better versions of a game (console versions).
If we don't want to admit that some people brought a PS4 to have the better version of games and brought it mostly for the price, then we'd have to admit that last gen, people mostly brought a 360 because of the price, not the better games (which, ironically enough, was what a lot of 360 fans were saying over at TXB for the longest....they wanted the better version of games for the money).
It is anecdotal, and I won't dispute that. But are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that non-forum goers weren't aware of news that multiplat games may be better on PS4?
Xbox fans can't have it both ways. They can't claim Titanfall will be the next best thing in gaming because everyone is aware of it, yet claim not many people were aware that PS4 had the better hardware.
In any case, I said I could be very very wrong.
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If I was to take a guess, Xbox 360 software sold better because of Xbox Live online community and Xbox Live popularity, not because it was .000001% better in a Digital Foundry or Lens of Truth review.
I thought the same but now I think the exclusives will play a big role. These hardware sales threads don't tell the whole story money wise for these corporations. Even though last gen the hardware sales were close we all know MS made a killing with the software sales and attachment rates. I'm sure MS wouldn't mind losing the harware sales war as long as they sell the same amount of games as last gen.
I'm going by the arguments that used to be made for years over at TXB.
Either way, it's not a science, I did say:
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