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Flynn, are you genuinely permitted within the Microsoft business code of conduct (or whatever legal policy regarding this subject they have) and employment terms to operate on forums promoting the Xbox brand or Microsoft products?

The reason I bring this up is that you would be banned from some forums online for posting certain things while employed by Microsoft. You have been transparent about being a Microsoft employee, to your credit, but I think the very nature of your working relationship means that certain topics probably should be out of bounds.


I don't mean to cause any offence to yourself or the owners of this forum but I think there are integrity, ethical and conflict of interest issues that need to be considered.
 
Prove it.

What is there to prove? Microsoft took Kinect out and sales improved. 2+2=4.

I think if MS doesn't announce worldwide sales figures after this holiday, it will be an admission of defeat. If they do, we can compare them to the PS4 pretty easily.

Ugh.....isn't it well known that the PS4 is dominating worldwide?
 
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I never made that claim, so why should I try to prove something I never claimed?

Ketto claimed MS thinks gamers should be without Kinect.

He didn't claim it was a failure.
He didn't claim it was a success.
He didn't claim games aren't coming out for it.
He didn't claim Xbox One is selling better without it.

He made a laughably uninformed and unprovable statement. It's not even a coherent claim. Microsoft doesn't "think", people think.
So you just upset by a statement that someone mentioned MS think gamers should be without Kinect, which is kind of a inclear statement by itself. Whats does should be without something means? Maybe MS think gamers do not need kinect, or MS think kinect is not critial to gamers or something along these line would be clearer.

In any case, I think this is too personal & you letting your employment intervence with a causal comment that is not even a critical part of the situation of Kinect. Its like people talking about a football match, but someone get worked out on someone getting the color of the jersey wrong.

The critical part is Kinect hasn't been a success, & games announced for it have all but dryed, & MS have been removing Kinect features, firstly gesture, & recently sound, to improve performance. What is the future of Kinect if I may ask. No, not interested to answer, don't think you need to anyway, but not, I want to focus on 'MS think gamers should be without Kinect statement'

Just say ok, MS think gamers should be with Kinect (whatever that means), so what? Does it actually change anything in a meaningful way, at all?
 
This thread is off to a wonderful start.


It's good to see that Flynn is excited over his halo box.
 
Flynn, are you genuinely permitted within the Microsoft business code of conduct (or whatever legal policy regarding this subject they have) and employment terms to operate on forums promoting the Xbox brand or Microsoft products?

The reason I bring this up is that you would be banned from some forums online for posting certain things while employed by Microsoft. You have been transparent about being a Microsoft employee, to your credit, but I think the very nature of your working relationship means that certain topics probably should be out of bounds.


I don't mean to cause any offence to yourself or the owners of this forum but I think there are integrity, ethical and conflict of interest issues that need to be considered.

Banned and laughed at.
 
Ketto said, "too bad MS thinks gamers should be without it [Kinect]".

Neither of you have offered any reason to believe that statement is true. It's a hollow assertion. Nothing more.

So I'll patiently wait for either of you to substantiate your currently baseless assertions.

Kinect LOL
 
Prove it.

They removed Kinect. They sacrificed their vision and Kinect future to secure sales at it's expense. And where are all those Kinect games at? Where are the MS Kinect games at? Where are the Kinect supported multiplatform games at? Kinect circling the drain that is irrelevancy in gaming, it's basically an $129 webcam and remote now. If MS didn't think gamers could be without it...they would have never removed it even if they were getting dragged sales wise. But MS has spoken, and sales > Kinect and I agree. It's nice for like TV tho...lol.

I mean this speaks volumes
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Kinect, Kinect everywhere! Much motion!

So...what do I win? Hopefully not Halo: MCC. I like owning products that work.
 
Flynn, are you genuinely permitted within the Microsoft business code of conduct (or whatever legal policy regarding this subject they have) and employment terms to operate on forums promoting the Xbox brand or Microsoft products?

The reason I bring this up is that you would be banned from some forums online for posting certain things while employed by Microsoft. You have been transparent about being a Microsoft employee, to your credit, but I think the very nature of your working relationship means that certain topics probably should be out of bounds.


I don't mean to cause any offence to yourself or the owners of this forum but I think there are integrity, ethical and conflict of interest issues that need to be considered.
What does Flynn being an employee of Microsoft have anything to do with him being able to post here or questioning the integrity of the site? He's a poster like everyone else here and is held to the same code of conduct as everyone else here. He has a strong bias. Many here do. When he posts something out there the forums respond. Not sure where questioning the integrity with how we handle things here is warranted.
 
Flynn, are you genuinely permitted within the Microsoft business code of conduct (or whatever legal policy regarding this subject they have) and employment terms to operate on forums promoting the Xbox brand or Microsoft products?

The reason I bring this up is that you would be banned from some forums online for posting certain things while employed by Microsoft. You have been transparent about being a Microsoft employee, to your credit, but I think the very nature of your working relationship means that certain topics probably should be out of bounds.


I don't mean to cause any offence to yourself or the owners of this forum but I think there are integrity, ethical and conflict of interest issues that need to be considered.

Integrity and ethics on a gaming forum.

LOL!!!
 
What does Flynn being an employee of Microsoft have anything to do with him being able to post here or questioning the integrity of the site? He's a poster like everyone else here and is held to the same code of conduct as everyone else here. He has a strong bias. Many here do. When he posts something out there the forums respond. Not sure where questioning the integrity with how we handle things here is warranted.
You don't see a conflict of interest at all from his employment with Microsoft and posting pro Microsoft discussion?


I don't want him banned or ejected from the forum, I like him.

I would be really surprised if he is allowed to do what he does on here by his employer but that's on him.
 
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You don't see a conflict of interest at all from his employment with Microsoft and posting pro Microsoft discussion?


I don't want him banned or ejected from the forum, I like him.

I would be really surprised if he is allowed to so what he does on here by his employer but that's on him.
Since he's a Microsoft employee he can't post pro Microsoft posts? Whenever he posts something out of line the forums handle it. If he steps over the line the mods handle it. It's how it is for every other poster on these forums. He's not able to post in the PlayStation section. He hasn't been for a while. Again, not sure where calling the integrity of the site comes into this discussion?
 
Does anyone know the software pickup to console ratio? Clasically, Nintendo used to be king at that.

How are the new consoles comparing?
1 console+ 6 games > 2 consoles + 8 games.
 
Talking about banning Flynn is ridonculous! Certain posters in this thread have been so condescending and judgemental, that I havent felt comfortable enough to post, for fear of being 'class d' or something, or worse, told I'm Irrelevant, and he gets off Scott free... Flynn posts with a bias, but at least he/she isn't offensive. They express their opinion, and I feel that they would at least respong to me without making me feel like I should beg for an audience first.

Anywho.. I'm glad that we were offered choices as to if we wanted kinnect. Much the same way that we can now decide if we want to be digital only. We should only be grateful that we are actually offered the option of choosing our services (Live Gold, PSPlus, EAccess etc.)
 
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The Kinect V.2 on my system is like having an extra arm. It could probably be useful at some point. But it's mostly just in the way.
 
Since he's a Microsoft employee he can't post pro Microsoft posts? Whenever he posts something out of line the forums handle it. If he steps over the line the mods handle it. It's how it is for every other poster on these forums. He's not able to post in the PlayStation section. He hasn't been for a while. Again, not sure where calling the integrity of the site comes into this discussion?
Okay, no problem.

I respect the way the forum is run.

Although it is quite funny in a way, I must admit.

'Nah he is fine... oh but we did ban him from the PlayStation section for trolling':grin:
 
Okay, no problem.

I respect the way the forum is run.

Although it is quite funny in a way, I must admit.

'Nah he is fine... oh but we did ban him from the PlayStation section for trolling':grin:


He was banned from a particular section for trolling, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't be here just because he's an MS employee and fan of MS.
 
Does anyone know the software pickup to console ratio? Clasically, Nintendo used to be king at that.

How are the new consoles comparing?
1 console+ 6 games > 2 consoles + 8 games.
With the Xbox One having substantially less consoles in the wild while staying neck and neck, or surpassing, the PS4 in 3rd party game sales, I'd say the Xbox One has a far higher attach rate.
 
Okay, no problem.

I respect the way the forum is run.

Although it is quite funny in a way, I must admit.

'Nah he is fine... oh but we did ban him from the PlayStation section for trolling':grin:
He's not a mod. He's not an admin. He's a poster like everyone else. If he was in a position of importance I can see that being a problem. He's not. He's free to post as everyone else here plus a restriction. If anything, he's received more scrutiny than anything since he's forum banned.
 
Talking about banning Flynn is ridonculous! Certain posters in this thread have been so condescending and judgemental, that I havent felt comfortable enough to post, for fear of being 'class d' or something, or worse, told I'm Irrelevant, and he gets off Scott free... Flynn posts with a bias, but at least he/she isn't offensive. They express their opinion, and I feel that they would at least respong to me without making me feel like I should beg for an audience first.

I agree with this. No one should feel afraid to post as a result of some posters crude cyber bullying tactics. In fact, it appears that whoever is responsible has already created victim mindsets in at least one of the members here. I saw this topic discussed on Oprah during her last season with ABC and it's real. It's very real. Apparently, with some people, the ego is tied so strongly to the online profile that trauma that occurs online manifests itself in that persons day to day happenings. I wouldn't be surprised if Bellybama couldn't eat Rice Krispies in the morning due to all the snap, crackling, and popping. For shame UnionVGF, for shame.
 
I love Oprah. A lot. And I feel a little bit more lost each day, without her telling me what to think.

But thank you for reinforcing my point HardLine... Although I'm not entirely certain what Rice Krispies are... Nor can I be bothered to find out. I'll assume you're just trying to exert your superiority again, without any grounds, nor industry knowledge/know-how to justify the claims.

Now go back to your Rikki Lake and your Frosties
:p
 
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I love Oprah. A lot. And I feel a little bit more lost each day, without her telling me what to think.

But thank you for reinforcing my point HardLine... Although I'm not entirely certain what Rice Krispies are... Nor can I be bothered to find out. I'll assume you're just trying to exert your superiority again, without any grounds, nor industry knowledge/know-how to justify the claims.

Now go back to your Rikki Lake and your Frosties
:p
Then you haven't lived man!
 
What does Flynn being an employee of Microsoft have anything to do with him being able to post here or questioning the integrity of the site? He's a poster like everyone else here and is held to the same code of conduct as everyone else here. He has a strong bias. Many here do. When he posts something out there the forums respond. Not sure where questioning the integrity with how we handle things here is warranted.

I don't want him gone, if people don't like him they can put him on ignore but I remember Bunz saying that if an MS employee is posting on forums they need to identify what their position is at the company etc and Flynn has always refused to do it. I would never want someone to get into trouble in the real world for what they post on a gaming forum so reporting him or anything like that to MS should be off the table completely but if what Bunz said was correct than Flynn really can't call out the integrity of the site or the mods since he himself is breaking his employers rules.
 
I don't want him gone, if people don't like him they can put him on ignore but I remember Bunz saying that if an MS employee is posting on forums they need to identify what their position is at the company etc and Flynn has always refused to do it. I would never want someone to get into trouble in the real world for what they post on a gaming forum so reporting him or anything like that to MS should be off the table completely but if what Bunz said was correct than Flynn really can't call out the integrity of the site or the mods since he himself is breaking his employers rules.
That's on him if that's protocol.

Let's all move on.
 
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Does anyone know the software pickup to console ratio? Clasically, Nintendo used to be king at that.

How are the new consoles comparing?
1 console+ 6 games > 2 consoles + 8 games.

Seems the PS4 is doing very well, Xbox is doing well and the Wii U is in a coma.
 
They removed Kinect. They sacrificed their vision and Kinect future to secure sales at it's expense. And where are all those Kinect games at? Where are the MS Kinect games at? Where are the Kinect supported multiplatform games at? Kinect circling the drain that is irrelevancy in gaming, it's basically an $129 webcam and remote now. If MS didn't think gamers could be without it...they would have never removed it even if they were getting dragged sales wise. But MS has spoken, and sales > Kinect and I agree. It's nice for like TV tho...lol.

I mean this speaks volumes
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Kinect, Kinect everywhere! Much motion!

So...what do I win? Hopefully not Halo: MCC. I like owning products that work.

You've really got work on those logic skills.

Your post shows nothing about Microsoft thinking gamers are better off without Kinect.

All you've shown is that Microsoft is willing to adapt to consumer desires.

So you win nothing. You lose. Insert Wonka gif. :-)
 
Xbox One is beating Xbox 360 on all levels. Generation over generation, we're doing much better.

Not in market share you're not. Sony has ripped a ton of market share away from MS over the past 14 months. Also, if you're talking pure numbers I would argue that the Xbox One is not doing "much better" than the 360. Didn't MS sell around 10.4 million 360's worldwide in the same time frame? I would hardly call a few percentage points more "much better". Let's not also forget that year two of the 360 was very successful. The Xbox One has to endure a price bump and a game drought through the first half of 2015.

Sony's knocking it out of the park on the sales numbers, but the most sales doesn't equate to the best product. The most sales doesn't equate to the most high-grade games. The most sales doesn't equate to the best services, the most cutting edge technology (which is not just the number of pixels, or how those pixels are shaded), or the platform with the brightest future.
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"Best product" can be defined in a variety of ways. One could argue that Velocity 2X, Guacamelee: Super Turbo Championship Edition, and Rogue Legacy are "high grade games" considering the grade's those game's received from critics. One could define "best product" as which system has more highly reviewed games. Goal posts can be moved by anyone. What can not be manipulated is which console is more desired by the people. The PS4 was simply the more wanted console for the past 14 months. This much is unarguable.


- We have more high-grade games. It's just a fact. It's math.
- Our service is more stable, and built from significantly more systems over the face of the earth. When both PSN and Xbox Live were attacked, LIVE recovered significantly faster. LIVE customers have never had their identities stolen en mass. It's a better service.
- Our services are better engineered. The voice chat is cross-platform, and cloud hosted. It frees up resources on the console. Sony's isn't, and doesn't.
- The cloud compute SDK is something Sony doesn't have, and can't compete with. Few companies in the world can. Sure it's in its infancy, but it's already making a difference. Drivatar's in the Forza games beats driver AI in any other driving game to date.
- We're adding more features, far more frequently than Sony. Our updates are meaningful changes, and they're constant. Our customers get more out of their purchase than Sony's customers in that sense.
- Kinect is something I never want to be without. It makes entertainment significantly smoother and easier. I never have to sign in manually, nor does my wife. It just works. I can use my voice to control things in a meaningful way, and it works. I can control my entire living room with my voice. It's a powerful, yet natural feeling - and Sony can't compete on that level..

- As we've already discussed, critics have actually graded PS4 games higher than Xbox One games over the past 14 months. They have done so with console exclusives as well as multiplatform titles. I get what you're trying to say but you need to find a different, more appropriate choice of words here.
- "It's a better service." I think you forgot to mention price and free games when comparing the services. PSN has consistently beaten Gold in these two areas which I hear are very important to the consumer.
- "It frees up resources on the console". This may be true but the console in question is less powerful to begin with.
- Sony can't compete with Kinect? No one wants Kinect. It's a losing proposition which is why support on all sides for the device has dried up.

I love what we've got.

The future of Xbox is bright, and from what I'm seeing from Sony - I like our odds. ;-)

It's funny. By my estimations, about 40 - 50% of your post was spot on. The Xbox One does hold some advantages over the PS4 but you're clearly missing the point. We could get into the minutia of specifics that don't hold much sway with the public but what does it all really boil down to?

Who has the better first party? Sony.
Who has the better second party support? Sony.
Who has better relations with 3rd parties? Sony.
Who has better indie support? Sony.

I think the majority of core gamers would take the above over Kinect voice control, but that could just be me.
 
I don't want him gone, if people don't like him they can put him on ignore but I remember Bunz saying that if an MS employee is posting on forums they need to identify what their position is at the company etc and Flynn has always refused to do it. I would never want someone to get into trouble in the real world for what they post on a gaming forum so reporting him or anything like that to MS should be off the table completely but if what Bunz said was correct than Flynn really can't call out the integrity of the site or the mods since he himself is breaking his employers rules.
Bunz is wrong.

Policy is to divulge our place of business, but we do not need to divulge anything else. So I never will.
 
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