The 2016 Election Primaries Thread

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Fox made it a priority to try to force Trump into saying he wouldn't run third party.
 
Plainview said:
Minus "idiot," "losers," and the rest of his insults but he's also answering the questions posed which he didn't rarely did last night. I do agree with some of what he says but most of it is just random speaking points without real possibility of happening, "I'll bring all the jobs back we lost to China."
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LoL yes He's definitely more coarse and his hair isn't as nice but his content still seems to be the same, at least per that snippet.
 
We are screwed if any of those tools get elected.
 
aceattorney said:
I stopped watching after an hour or so...Trump seemed to dominate and the others seemed to simply dovetail on his comments (prior to and at the debate). Did he crash at the end of the debate?
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To anyone that was listening they could see how uninformed Trump is on the issues. he was asked a question (i think twice) where he didn't even address the issue but just went on and on with popular references to china and iran. He also damn near said that he has flat out bribed people in the past to get his way. Trump brings out the fear and anger in people and gives them a rallying point and a person who can voice their innermost vile thoughts in a public forum. no one in their right mind would take him as a serious candidate.

Paul>Carson>Cruz>Canada
 
that 14.5% flat tax baby!!!!
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Plainview said:
And that's what I think sealed his fate, and, because of that, the republican party's fate.
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I get the asking of hard questions by Fox. But it came off as fall in as rank and file or we'll single you out. The GOP has serious concerns with Trump being a third party candidate, not sure why Fox had to focus on this multiple times during the debate. Going as far as making candidates raise their hands seemed like the GOP was moderating.
 
Qbert said:
You do know that a 14.5% flat tax would hit the lower and middle class the worse, right?
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Low and middle income people are being hit hard now, they also pay via inflation through constant printing of money which is one way of taxing people without them even knowing it.

The plan would include a $15,000 standard deduction (per filer) and a $5,000 per person personal exemption. This means that a family of four would pay no income tax on their first $50,000 of income ($55,000 for a family of five, etc.).

The plan would eliminate the payroll tax, the estate tax, and all customs duties and tariffs.
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http://taxfoundation.org/blog/econo...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 
horns said:
I get the asking of hard questions by Fox. But it came off as fall in as rank and file or we'll single you out. The GOP has serious concerns with Trump being a third party candidate, not sure why Fox had to focus on this multiple times during the debate. Going as far as making candidates raise their hands seemed like the GOP was moderating.
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It's Fox.....
 
Plainview said:
It's Fox.....
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Yeah, I know. The news agency that manufacturers political conspiraces with the coordination of the GOP. Why would I expect integrity?

Qbert said:
Then that's not truly a "flat tax", now is it?
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Also known as the tax plan to shut down specific government agencies. Too bad the math doesn't work out.
 
Trump gains at the polls and remains on top.

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Republican Debate Turns Spectacle and Leaves Trump on Top


"Here is the thing about Donald Trump. Donald Trump is hitting a nerve in this country," Kasich said. "People are frustrated. They're fed up. They don't think the government is working for them. And for people who want to just tune him out, they're making a mistake."
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I have to agree with him.
 
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The first prime-time Republican presidential debate featured the top 10 candidates, according to polling, and they twisted some facts.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said that “over 40 percent of small and mid-size banks … have been wiped out” since the Dodd-Frank law was passed. Actually, the total number of commercial banks has gone down only 16 percent, continuing a longtime trend.
Businessman Donald Trump said his net worth is $10 billion, but outside estimates put the figure much lower.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush twice claimed that he cut taxes in the state by $19 billion. But that includes cuts in Florida estate taxes mandated by federal law that Bush had nothing to do with.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich claimed his state’s Medicaid program “is growing at one of the lowest rates in the country.” Ohio ranks 16th in terms of enrollment growth post-Affordable Care Act among the 30 expansion states and Washington, D.C.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker claimed his state “more than made up” for the job losses from the recession. That’s a stretch. The state has gained 4,000 jobs since the start of the recession.
Rubio said he had never advocated exceptions for rape or incest to abortion bans, but he cosponsored a bill in 2013 that contained just such exceptions.
Boasting about his education initiatives while governor, Bush claimed that the graduation rate “improved by 50 percent.” But most of the increase happened after Bush left office; the rate increased about 13 percent when he was governor.
Bush claimed that the U.S. spends more per student than any other country, but Luxembourg, Switzerland and Norway all spend more for primary and secondary education.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee repeated the old claim that Obamacare “robbed” Medicare of $700 billion. That’s a reduction in the future growth of spending over 10 years.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/08/factchecking-the-gop-debate-late-edition/
 
Qbert said:
Then that's not truly a "flat tax", now is it?
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the point is to do away with all the s*** that big corporation use to pay so little in taxes. they can't do that if the tax code is flat and simple.

But hey good job sticking to your original argument and accepting that you were wrong....
 
Trump's private jet is going to look pretty good on the White House lawn.
 
morfeeis said:
the point is to do away with all the s*** that big corporation use to pay so little in taxes. they can't do that if the tax code is flat and simple.

But hey good job sticking to your original argument and accepting that you were wrong....
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But it's not really a flat tax. A flat tax, is a flat tax across the board, for EVERYONE. Once you start excluding "certain" incomes, then it's no longer a flat tax. Constantly saying it is doesn't make it so.
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It's not really flat. The plan preserves a surprising array of loopholes and exemptions, including the charitable deduction, the mortgage-interest deduction, the child credit, the earned-income credit, and the mother of all loopholes, the tax exclusion for workplace health benefits. Retaining those popular giveaways may seem politically prudent, but it also destroys the plan's simplicity and implicitly endorses social engineering.
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I really hate our political system, we are a year and a half out and debates have already started. The longer you have to campaign the more funds you need which means you are going to owe your rich donors even more when it comes to favors etc.
 
JinCA said:
I really hate our political system, we are a year and a half out and debates have already started. The longer you have to campaign the more funds you need which means you are going to owe your rich donors even more when it comes to favors etc.
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I blame the format and the way the News Media controls the process. I also blame the 2 Parties for ceding so much control over to them like this.

The GOP should be conducting their Primary on their own and should not be letting twats from FOX News moderate it. I think last time, one Senator actually did this. Instead of a debate, he had consecutive interviews with each candidate one and a time. It was so much more informative, casual, and didn't look like a stupid game show. Of course, it was not broadcast; I only saw it on YouTube.

A Newspaper from New Hampshire did something similar during their state primary election.
 
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Videodrome said:
I'm not even sure what I think of Trump as a candidate, but to be honest, I enjoy seeing him Troll the system including giving some backtalk to Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace.
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Agreed. All politicians are basically clowns. He's just up there exposing it even more.
 
Plainview said:
He continued to say nothing and pretty much ignore questions being asked. on Fox they had a focus group where originally there were supporters of Trump but after the debate they were done with him.
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morfeeis said:
To anyone that was listening they could see how uninformed Trump is on the issues. he was asked a question (i think twice) where he didn't even address the issue but just went on and on with popular references to china and iran. He also damn near said that he has flat out bribed people in the past to get his way. Trump brings out the fear and anger in people and gives them a rallying point and a person who can voice their innermost vile thoughts in a public forum. no one in their right mind would take him as a serious candidate.

Paul>Carson>Cruz>Canada
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So in other words, he spoke like a politician.

Looks like the polls confirm that most people think Trump came out the winner, which indicates that the public doesn't care so much about policy inasmuch as they care about electing a man with gusto.

That being said, I can't imagine Trump actually winning the nomination. It's all just a dog and pony show this early on in the game.
 
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