The difference between 30 and 60 fps

[Hammerclaw]

Who is puppeteer? No, I just feel a bit that there are some people really overstating the importance of graphics lately on several forums on the Internet. I usually am not this serious, but really do enjoy my gaming hobby. Lately however I feel it is being run into the ground by "bullies" that tend to just feel it is needed to be complete buffoons to each other. For instance on NeoGaf the amount of people just posting animated gifs and keeping replies to two nonsensical words, while before asking an actual developer to comment on something... is just shocking.

It isn't that they should bend over backwards for them, it more is common courtesy I feel lacks a bit. It also is a bit dear to me as in my daily life I design CAD system for the glass industry and Ship Building industry. I do work quite a bit with Linear Algebra and Graphics in my job. It then is annoying that some armchair quarterbacks act like they do, and feel the need to ridicule everybody. For me graphics are to aid a game, they can be stunning sure... but often it isn't the graphically intensive effects that "stun" you, it is the well designed cheaper ones.

For instance the way Super Mario Sun Shine was able to make it's water lighting ripple as it did, by just using no textures but 2 MipMap scrolling at different speeds in different directions.. was just brilliant. Creativity is what drives the industry, not a comparison of ROP units. Even though I also feel the Xb-One is very fillrate limited, I do not see the point in acting like a jerk about it. I haven't read the internal documentation of MS her designers, and only have I seen their presentations. But to me it seems a bit like Sony did go with the better set-up in that regard. That said, I am perfectly willing to admit that in a year or so I'll be eating my words.

Very possibly, although there's no denying the technical edge Sony has, as far as games are concerned. It's Microsoft who will have to be ingenius and creative, and come with the "cheaper" solutions to complex problems. I would not presume to debate you as your technical expertise is without question. It is good to have someone like you on board with the ability to cut through the fog of misperception. I do agree that the talent that goes into making a game is more important than the tech.

 

[Dehnus]

Very possibly, although there's no denying the technical edge Sony has, as far as games are concerned. It's Microsoft who will have to be ingenius and creative, and come with the "cheaper" solutions to complex problems. I would not presume to debate you as your technical expertise is without question. It is good to have someone like you on board with the ability to cut through the fog of misperception. I do agree that the talent that goes into making a game is more important than the tech.

OH debating is fine, but for me a Console is something that can give me good gameplay at a reasonably price. But indeed MS will have to be creative, the first order of business would be getting that price down to something a parent would buy.

 

[Hammerclaw]

OH debating is fine, but for me a Console is something that can give me good gameplay at a reasonably price. But indeed MS will have to be creative, the first order of business would be getting that price down to something a parent would buy.

Lots of adults(yours truly included)wouldn't mind a price drop as well, and reducing cost of manufacture should be their first order of the day. A few tweaks such as making the hard drive replaceable(it practically already is) would further their cause as well.

 

[Andy]

I think I'll shutter this thread now, before it takes a turn for the worse. I think we've talked the 30 vs. 60 thing through as best we can and examined it from all angles. It would be naive to think a 30 vs. 60 FPS thread wouldn't eventually end up in console war talk, so let's quit while we're ahead.

Thank you gentlemen for your contributions and a good discussion. I learned a few things.