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Using the phrasing "we are coming for your guns" was idiotic, that's exactly what the right has used for decades to hurt dems in places like Pennsylvania where the rural section of the state loves their guns. Every time an election comes up the dem has to say "we aren't coming for your guns" now they have a candidate on video saying that's exactly what's going to happen. Sure he won't be the nominee so they wont' have the actual nominee saying that but it'll be used in national and local election ads to hurt not only the candidate running for the Presidency but all the way down the ballot as well. It was very selfish of Beto to do that, the a****** should be running for senate again anyway but his ego won't let him downgrade, according to him he was born to be POTUS after all.

I think he is too gleeful about it. Even putting out a shirt referencing it.

But his position is the right one. I can't get too worked up over that when the GOP will claim Democrats are coming for their guns no matter what.

Want to talk about candidates in it to talk about important issue? Here is an issue that matters.
 
I think he is too gleeful about it. Even putting out a shirt referencing it.

But his position is the right one. I can't get too worked up over that when the GOP will claim Democrats are coming for their guns no matter what.

Want to talk about candidates in it to talk about important issue? Here is an issue that matters.

When they are going to say it anyway you don't give them ammo to prove their lie, it was stupid. Wanting background checks and assault weapons bans isn't the same thing as saying "we are coming for your guns" it was an idiotic thing for him to do on every level. If he were the nominee you could almost assure Pennsylvania and Ohio would be lost.
 
Raising middle class taxes and getting rid of private insurance is bad in the general too but everyone creams their pants over candidates who want that
 
Raising middle class taxes and getting rid of private insurance is bad in the general too but everyone creams their pants over candidates who want that

That's partially because the question is framed poorly, when they ask if they like their coverage they say yes because they like their doctor and hospital, that won't change with medicare for all but the idiots doing the polling don't clarify that.

As far as taxes Warren should be more forthcoming and just say "yes your taxes will go up slightly but your overall expenses will be lower so you come out ahead and IF your employer does the right thing you should get a raise because they aren't paying for your medical coverage anymore"
 
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He said it multiple times. His dick suckers popmeo and mnuchin said it multiple times. He is a mentally deranged threat to the United States.

 
2/3 of the country favors the ban ( mandatory buy back not so sure)

90% favor the background checks and even then nothing happens. The GOP does a good job of making people think its more divisive than it actually is and therefore candidates are afraid of the issue.

They should stop running from it and start doing something

The GOP does a much better job controlling the narrative. They convince people in Michigan, Ohio, and PA that giving tax cuts to the rich will trickle down. They've convinced people in those same states that immigrants are stealing their jobs (lol).

If people were informed on the issues, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. The GOP runs everything like a culture war - they've been doing it for a couple of decades now. Guns, guns, God and more guns. The only thing that sinks them is that their economy always tanks. If it weren't for the massive recession, Obama would have never gotten near the White House.

The GOP wants to talk about guns and not healthcare. You have to win the culture war slowly.
 
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That's partially because the question is framed poorly, when they ask if they like their coverage they say yes because they like their doctor and hospital, that won't change with medicare for all but the idiots doing the polling don't clarify that.

As far as taxes Warren should be more forthcoming and just say "yes your taxes will go up slightly but your overall expenses will be lower so you come out ahead and IF your employer does the right thing you should get a raise because they aren't paying for your medical coverage anymore"

She isn't saying because she knows people aren't going to like it and she knows nobody is going to buy that their employer is going to give them a raise.

But the position is the right one.

The GOP does a much better job controlling the narrative. They convince people in Michigan, Ohio, and PA that giving tax cuts to the rich will trickle down. They've convinced people in those same states that immigrants are stealing their jobs (lol).

If people were informed on the issues, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. The GOP runs everything like a culture war - they've been doing it for a couple of decades now. Guns, guns, God and more guns. The only thing that sinks them is that their economy always tanks. If it weren't for the massive recession, Obama would have never gotten near the White House.

The GOP wants to talk about guns and not healthcare. You have to win the culture war slowly.

Well running to the center on everything while the GOP runs to the right certainly hasn't worked.
 
Well running to the center on everything while the GOP runs to the right certainly hasn't worked.

We don't have to run to the center, it is about branding. It is messaging. It isn't about politics at all but marketing. You use the word socialism and everyone runs for the hills. You call yourself a capitalist but say medicare for all, and you look a million times better. Intelligent people know better, but the average Joe has been trained by the GOP for 2+ decades to react to certain things. Pavlov's dog hears a bell and drools. Pavlov's voters hear AR15 ban and they react negatively.

Don't change the position, change the message. Don't walk into the landmines the GOP has already set.
 
We don't have to run to the center, it is about branding. It is messaging. It isn't about politics at all but marketing. You use the word socialism and everyone runs for the hills. You call yourself a capitalist but say medicare for all, and you look a million times better. Intelligent people know better, but the average Joe has been trained by the GOP for 2+ decades to react to certain things. Pavlov's dog hears a bell and drools. Pavlov's voters hear AR15 ban and they react negatively.

Don't change the position, change the message. Don't walk into the landmines the GOP has already set.

And no matter what they are going to call you a socialist

Politically AR-15 ban and optional buyback is the better position but if you aren't at least at that then you can just f*** right off
 
And no matter what they are going to call you a socialist

Politically AR-15 ban and optional buyback is the better position but if you aren't at least at that then you can just f*** right off

Having that position is fine, telling people "hell yeah you are coming for their guns" is just stupid phrasing and there is no valid way to defend it.
 
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Recession Already Grips Corners of U.S., Menacing Trump’s 2020 Bid

The moment usually comes during Greg Petras’s commute through the rolling hills and cornfields of southern Wisconsin. Somewhere between his home near Madison and the factory he runs on the edge of the small town of Brodhead, the news will turn to the trade wars and Donald Trump will again claim that China is bearing the cost of his tariffs. That’s when Petras loses it.


“It’s just an outright lie, and he knows it,” says Petras, president of Kuhn North America, which employs some 600 people at its farm-equipment factory in Wisconsin. For Kuhn, Trump’s trade war has produced a toxic mix of rising costs and falling revenues. “You’re slamming your fist on the steering wheel and saying ‘Why would you tell people this?’”


About 250 Kuhn employees spent the Labor Day holiday caught in a two-week furlough, and they’re facing another in early October. A shrinking order book means Kuhn is cutting costs and slashing production as Petras and his managers peer out at a U.S. economy that looks far bleaker from the swing-state heartland than it does in either the White House or on Wall Street.



The company’s circus-themed summer picnic survived but weekend shifts are gone. A plant that just four years ago was humming along to a record $400 million in sales together with a sister plant in Kansas is running at 50% capacity. The five-year-old, $11 million paint shop that coats the company’s manure spreaders and livestock feeders in a distinctive “Kuhn Red” is at 39% capacity. Plans for a new $4 million research and development building are on hold. “We’ll do it someday,” Petras says. “We just need things to be going in a better direction.”


lul. I grew up in Brodhead. Have a friend that works there and while I haven't talked to him in a while to find out his situation, he is a Trump supporter. Womps and prayers I guess.
 

Recession Already Grips Corners of U.S., Menacing Trump’s 2020 Bid



lul. I grew up in Brodhead. Have a friend that works there and while I haven't talked to him in a while to find out his situation, he is a Trump supporter. Womps and prayers I guess.

I unfortunately grew up in Michigan which has mostly been a giant economic mess, with a few notable exceptions like Ann Arbor.
 
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A lot of debates showing conflicting info, some saying virtually no change, some saying Sanders, Warren and Yang won and then this other one you guys posted. Hard to take polls too seriously right now.
 
A lot of debates showing conflicting info, some saying virtually no change, some saying Sanders, Warren and Yang won and then this other one you guys posted. Hard to take polls too seriously right now.

I think most people will just say the candidate they like won the poll so I don't put much stock in that

What I posted is different than who specifically won but I don't think the actual poll numbers will change much.
 
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