And here we are. Personally, if he gets elected king another 4 years, it's a breaking point for me.
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Bernie supporters should be willing to vote for whoever wins and f*** them if they don't but it makes no sense for them to not at least see Warren as a reasonable second choice. Some Bernie supporters aren't any different than Trump supporters in their cult like view of him.
Even though Yang's supporters are much smaller, I can see them being the same way. How can these people not realize THERE'S ONE GOAL FOR THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
This is one big difference between Republicans and some Democrats. Not all Republicans liked Trump, but they voted for him anyway. Democrats don't always understand it. How can they not like someone but still vote for them? Republicans know what's at stake and how they will lose elections if they don't all band together. Democrats are still struggling to figure that out. I hope when fall comes they will. I think many will.
The old saying is "Republicans fall in line, Democrats (need to) fall in love".
He has a decent amount of conservative supporters so they don't care about the same issues.
As much as big deal is made about winning over the middle if the Democrats fall behind whoever wins they are going to win.
People can say "so and so" won't make the big changes but the big changes will never be possible the longer Republicans are left in charge.
If anyone cares, in my very little time of driving through small sections of Dubuque I have so far seen 4 Bernie signs, 2 Tulsi, 1 Pete, and 1 Biden. I'm sure I've mentioned in here before but after moving here from WI in 2011 I never bothered caucusing because it seems like a dumb waste of time versus just voting, but I do plan on going Monday. Doesn't hurt that my location is only like two blocks away lol. It looks like they've changed it so you only get one chance to choose another candidate after your first doesn't hit 15%, so hopefully that will cut down on what I would otherwise assume would be a super long night of BS.
Seriously, f*** anybody that protest votes in November. This isn't a f***ing game.
At this point it doesn't matter who is the democratic presidential nominee. They just have to make sure they f***ing win, because not only is the POTUS office important at this point since they are above the constitution, but there is going to be at least one SCOTUS retirement(RBG).
I'm voting for Bernie in the primary, but I am voting blue down the ballot come general election and anybody that actually believes in our democracy should do likewise.
There is only one party that stands for democracy at this point.
At this point it doesn't matter who is the democratic presidential nominee. They just have to make sure they f***ing win, because not only is the POTUS office important at this point since they are above the constitution, but there is going to be at least one SCOTUS retirement(RBG).
I'm voting for Bernie in the primary, but I am voting blue down the ballot come general election and anybody that actually believes in our democracy should do likewise.
There is only one party that stands for democracy at this point.
Yes, but to be fair it's all because of his fiscal responsibility that... checks deficit numbers again...
Ugh.
Which is why I think I need to give some money to Amash and to Project Lincoln, since I don't agree with their politics at all but I respect people who are principled conservatives who are willing to call the flaming cheeto out for his attempt to Jar Jar his way to Palpatinehood.
DNC changed the requirements to qualify for debates now that Bernie is in the lead lol. They've gotten rid of the donor threshold which was what was keeping Bloomberg out, while they are shady as hell for changing the rules to hurt Bernie it wasn't like the donor threshold was what was keeping others from making the stage before it was their poor performance in polls. I do want to see Bloomberg have to answer questions as well as take some fire from the other candidates but yeah the DNC once again looks shady.
Well Bernie isn't in the lead and Bloomberg being potentially in is actually great news for Bernie. Who do you think he is going to steal votes from?
The timing of this is real bad though because you will eliminate a bunch of people which will cause complaining even though any that don't make it will have no chance at winning and you do it while allowing a path for Bloomberg. Even though the rules were actually unfair to Bloomberg you aren't going to get people saying that so yeah bad timing.
And the candidates probably want him there because just like you said he has to be forced to answer questions before he plays spoiler for 10% of the vote
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I thought Bernie was in the lead, is he not?
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I thought Bernie was in the lead, is he not?
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No. A lot of those are state polls. Bernie has a really good shot at winning but Biden is still leading nation wide.
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So it depends on the aggregate. Go vote blue, no matter who.
If she ends up being our nominee we'll lose, I've said before that she seems to be running for President of twitter and Bill Maher said tonight she's running for President of Berkley lol.
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Elizabeth Warren vows: Transgender child must approve of Secretary Of Education nominee
Sen. Elizabeth Warren assured Iowans recently that if she’s elected president, then any future Secretary of Education will need the approval of a transgender child she met last year.
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Utterly idiotic.If she ends up being our nominee we'll lose, I've said before that she seems to be running for President of twitter and Bill Maher said tonight she's running for President of Berkley lol.
Elizabeth Warren vows: Transgender child must approve of Secretary Of Education nominee
Sen. Elizabeth Warren assured Iowans recently that if she’s elected president, then any future Secretary of Education will need the approval of a transgender child she met last year.
This election is about getting everyone out to vote, not trying to win over people who are going to vote for Trump anyhow. I think either Warren or Sanders should have little to no problem doing that, since anyone who is any way willing to vote for Trump is a list cause.If she ends up being our nominee we'll lose, I've said before that she seems to be running for President of twitter and Bill Maher said tonight she's running for President of Berkley lol.
Elizabeth Warren vows: Transgender child must approve of Secretary Of Education nominee
Sen. Elizabeth Warren assured Iowans recently that if she’s elected president, then any future Secretary of Education will need the approval of a transgender child she met last year.
I don't disagree especially since he might win the first three states. Great states to be first for him.
I've bounced back and forth on this for a long time. Someone like Bernie will really energize a big part of the country (as Bill Maher put it, he has an army), but he'll scare the poop out of others. Meanwhile Biden is the safe bet to win over those middling people, but he's not exactly going to energize people. I mean, hopefully enough people hate Trump enough to just go pull the lever no matter what. I know most of us are in that group, but there's still a lot of people out there.
Most Trump voters are a loss, but I wouldn't dismiss all of them. I always look at the US as 4 groups: 40% left, 40% right (those are the people who vote but won't budge), then the 20% middle. The 4th group is the never vote group. To win an election, you need to get your 40% out there, plus either pull some people from the middle, and/or the non-voters. Biden probably pulls the most from the middle, but does he energize his own 40%? He's probably not getting any non-voters off the couch.
From a "who can win" standpoint, both Biden and Bernie scare me right now. I think Bernie will scare more voters than Biden will bore, but I don't know. I don't pretend to have all the answers. Can you "spice up" Biden with a good VP pick?
Most Trump voters are a loss, but I wouldn't dismiss all of them. I always look at the US as 4 groups: 40% left, 40% right (those are the people who vote but won't budge), then the 20% middle. The 4th group is the never vote group. To win an election, you need to get your 40% out there, plus either pull some people from the middle, and/or the non-voters. Biden probably pulls the most from the middle, but does he energize his own 40%? He's probably not getting any non-voters off the couch.
From a "who can win" standpoint, both Biden and Bernie scare me right now. I think Bernie will scare more voters than Biden will bore, but I don't know. I don't pretend to have all the answers. Can you "spice up" Biden with a good VP pick?
You need moderates and you need working class white people to show up too and this kind of stuff turns them off, for all the talk about how you can't win without the black vote the working class white vote is needed as well. The majority of people want to know you are worried about the issues that impact their lives and constantly bringing up trans issues among others isn't going to bring out anyone who wasn't already going to vote democrat either. I'm not saying that trans people don't matter but we can't make what is less than 1% of the population sound like they are more important than much larger percentages. When she says she's going to have her secretary of education have to interview with a trans teenager that's just stupid, why would you allow a child to approve a cabinet member?
We need a person who is going to bring new ideas that attract people who weren't going to vote but those ideas need to be smart and they need to make sense, the stuff she's talking about is for the twitter mobs and it's not going to bring anyone in. Her campaign has been in freefall ever since people got a better look at her and there is a good reason for that. Personally I think she would fight for the middle class and the poor better than most but Berne and Yang would be better choices and they seem to understand how to talk to everyone and not make it seem like you want to fight with half of the country.
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Exactly. Don't be so quick to dismiss or talk down to these people. Trump's rhetoric is meant to divide people. They want to break people into two, distinct groups.
The right 100% wants you talking this "woke" narrative instead of the issues that will actually win the election. If someday the Twitter mob actually shows up to vote, they will matter, but until then you want to talk directly to the people in middle class areas that switched to Trump. There's a lot of people who haven't gone full deplorable.
Bill Maher made a great point last night - don't even talk about the environment (as an example). Why? You already have that issue locked up.
Even as someone who voted Obama twice, the Democrat message is just convoluted and sometimes downright silly. The woke crowd is either going to fall in line with whoever runs against Trump or they are going to pout. Don't bother with any more of that group.
The problem is that the left plays a lot more into the primary than the general.
Since Biden and Warren supporters are the most reasonable maybe it does need to be Bernie that wins
Their (Warren, Biden) support isn't as solid as Sanders and Yang that's why, it's still sad that someone would say they won't vote for the nominee regardless of who it is though and hopefully that's just people blowing smoke. One issue with Bernie and Yang's supporters that is a negative is that a lot of them are on the younger side and have basically only ever talked about politics online, they don't know anything about compromise because the internet is the last place you find that. I've said it before though a good chunk of Bernie's supporters are people who otherwise would stay home because they don't trust either party to actually do anything to impact their lives in a positive way, they see the system as broken and rigged to only help the rich and I think a decent amount of Yang's supporters feel that way too. They also both have crossover appeal and bring some libertarians over from the right so it would make sense that they wouldn't vote for any other democrat.
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