The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!
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This is exactly the kind of "both sides" mentality they want you to think.
This idea that the system is hopelessly broken and there's no hope is what leads to people like Trump winning.
Democrats are far from perfect. Heck, I'm still never even officially been a member, and I really don't consider myself one.
The Democrats still take a ton of money they shouldn't (the smart businesses buy off Democrats to prevent things from progressing). Even with that, they at least partially care about the everyday person. Obama gave a damn. I think Biden gives a damn. They still get more money from everyday people too. Their donors are many of us. This Democratic party is not the twitter mob's party. Their messaging can get lost in all the noise, especially in recent times, but read up on Joe's policies. Most of them make a ton of sense.
With the two party system and the deep tribalism, our system barely functions, but it still does function. Prior to Trump I was a firm believer in both sides being the same, but that's not true anymore. One side has gone completely full q-anon.
Sadly, the last 4 years have made me miss the "good old days" of partisan politics. We need to get back to that dysfunction before we can even think to improve.
Both sides aren't equal but both are a problem and that's the issue, they've both gotten worse over time.
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Right, controlled opposition. You pay the opposition to take a dive before the fight even starts.
I don't believe Joe Biden is going to stick to too many of his key campaign promises. He'll ditch the public option just like he ditched medicare-4-all. Of course, he'll have a good excuse (the Republicans didn't let him do it etc. etc..)
I agree with you about this whole false equivalency argument, though. JinCA only sees the far left on Twitter calling people out because the alt-right was banned outright. They'll occasionally come onto a page about a story that's relevant to them on Youtube or some other site in mass and then you realize why all of these people were chased off of Facebook and Twitter.
If you look at right wing outlets like Newsmax or O'Reilly, you'll see just how much more polarizing they are then anybody on the left. O'Reilly was talking about how the left was unredeemable and how you should stop talking to your family members who would vote for a "communist" like Joe Biden.
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The problem with the far left is they don't get banned like the far right does, they are allowed to take control of the conversation on social media and too many politicians and even companies bow down to them, they don't speak for most Democrats they just speak over us and give the other side plenty of ammo to use against us.
It didn't help that during the primaries smart people like Elizabeth Warren acted more like they were running for President of Twitter than POTUS, using terms like "LatinX" when that's only ever encouraged by white activists is pathetic, over 80% of Latino's don't like that term. I'd also like to know why do so many Democratic politicians act like all Latino's care about is getting their families here illegally or that Black people only care about prison reform? It's no wonder Trump gained ground with those groups during the election even though he's clearly a racist and been branded as such by the media every chance they get.
The right has a ton of disgusting people who say vile things most of the time far worse than anything leftists say but that doesn't mean that a lot of people on the left don't get away with saying all kinds of crazy divisive crap too, I just don't think it's right to try to take the moral high ground when so many on "my side" act like total a******s.
Yeah, LatinX promotes the idea of gender fluidity. If you use the term LatinX to describe yourself you are essentially saying that you subscribe to that particular ideology. That's why it was rejected.
I wouldn't hold that against Elizabeth Warren, especially if the LGBTQ+ made it a third rail topic.
Amnesty isn't just something being promoted by progressives. Establishment democrats thought that immigration reform would win them more votes. Now that the establishment knows that making their politics about "kids in cages" and "good trouble" won't win them any votes the progressives might be the only ones pushing those things now. Then you can blame it on the progressives.
The democratic establishment was worried that Trump would make strides with black people for his prison reform accomplishments. So that's why they started talking about prison reform.
Again, I don't think it's outrageous for people to want to ban Trump supporters from working in democratically elected offices IF they believe all these things they said about him. I personally thought that Trump was normal. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit for not getting into too many wars. I know John Bolton wanted to use brinksmanship a lot more in negotiations which could have backfired and thrown us into World War 3.
Biden won't "stick" with medicare for all because there's zero chance of it happening, unless there's a drastic swing in the senate (even then it will be nearly impossible).
It isn't about beliefs, but about pragmatism. Biden has to take a realistic look at the next two years and try to get something done. If he talks medicare for all, then nothing will get done.
Pragmatists are the only ones who get anything done in this government. That's just a sad truth. The GOP is just far too good at shutting things down, and they have enough power to do that easily.
We needed a blue wave in congress to get anything progressive done. Now, it doesn't matter if Biden or Bernie won, we're not pushing the needle any further left.
The thing to remember is that the Republican machine is very, very effective. They have AOC on the front page of foxnews.com each and every day. They've got people trained to hate Democrats (and they do hate us).
We need a massive effort to get people back to the normal center before we even think of moving people left.
People just don't know how things work. People think we elect Kings and President Bernie would snap his fingers and Medicare 4 All would fall from the sky.
This is the "public option" he promised during the campaign not medicare-4-all. If it wasn't going to work then he shouldn't have made it a campaign promise. Lol, you don't have to do much training. AOC didn't have to say a word for them to hate her.
Get real. What is he supposed to run on? "Hey, vote for me and maybe I'll save some of the pieces of Obamacare?"
You've got to stop being angry over simple pragmatism. Biden had to run against a crazy person who not only promises the world, but claims he already accomplished it.
Too few people want to hear about reality. Biden won by not nearly as much as he should have, and Democrats got hit hard in congress.
Actually, a lot of those people Clyburn rallied to vote for Biden said they just wanted him to protect Obamacare. He chose to take it the extra mile and claim he would give people a "public option" just like he choose to lie in 2008.
There was no Trump in 2008, what "emergency" caused him to lie about wanting medicare-4-all back then?
It's amazing, I heard so many Biden supporters trying to argue that progressives should vote for Biden because he'll give them a (watered down) "public option", then when the election is over neoliberals and Never Trumpers say "you really thought he was going to give you a public option?"
Me not praising Biden for not being Trump is "anger", but someone thinking that Trump needed to be taken out of office by any means is a "rational thinker".
Trump being in the White House was never an emergency.
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It could have been an option if the Democrats had won big in congress. Had the voters sent people like McConnell packing and there been a blue wave, we could easily be talking more progressive policies.
The Democrats can't lose house seats and (probably) lose the senate and hope to have a chance to get anything through.
You have to look at that election and take it for what it told you - the right lost... but only barely.
Also, this whole angle about Biden being "pragmatic" would imply that he would want a "public option" even if he had the votes. Republicans aren't choosing his cabinet for him. He picked a bunch of healthcare industry lobbyists. If Biden had the votes he would be the one reigning in progressives and making excuses. That's what controlled opposition means.
He's like a social-political cancer.
Yeah mine says Biden/Harris will end private property.
Yeah mine says Biden/Harris will end private property.
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All the conservatives are switching over to Newsmax and O'rielly. Those channels are basically calling Biden/Harris communists to build up an audience. Hell, Infowars will end up getting a lot of those former Fox News viewers as well.
All the conservatives are switching over to Newsmax and O'rielly. Those channels are basically calling Biden/Harris communists to build up an audience. Hell, Infowars will end up getting a lot of those former Fox News viewers as well.
Yeah, for a while my parents subscribed to the Bill O'Reilly podcast after he was gone from his TV show. My dad always has FOX news on, but recently had Newsmax on.
Yeah, for a while my parents subscribed to the Bill O'Reilly podcast after he was gone from his TV show. My dad always has FOX news on, but recently had Newsmax on.
YEP,
Fox News is done. Check out Newsmax/O'Reilly to see the new normal. Everything is going to get a lot more polarizing.I'd only worry if they start using the word "life force".
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That's not how it works.
A President doesn't just pick a plan and go from there. Legislation has to start in the house, then pass the senate, then eventually get to the president where he would veto or sign it.
That's why we don't have "Trumpcare". In 2016, the Republicans tried putting together a plan but it was so awful that they didn't even vote on it.
The country won't move an inch left unless congress aligns that way. President matters a whole lot less. It took a deep blue congress in 2008 to even get the ACA passed, and that was a tough battle.
Biden winning means that maybe we can start the process of un-breaking the government and maybe undo a few Trump changes.
Don't forget on top of a everything else you now have a deep red court to strike down anything the GOP doesn't like.
Public option healthcare? Not happening. That's not my opinion on anything, just a simple fact. The Republcians in congress won't let anything pass. The Democratic house puts forward bills and the senate just sits on them.
The senate is the bottleneck in the system. On top of everything, it is the least representative part of government. Every state gets 2 no matter how big or how small, so there's not much the blue states can do.
That's not how what works?
I said Joe Biden wouldn't do it even if he could. He was the one fighting against the "public option" in 2008. That's why Obamacare was so watered down. If a "public option" reached Joe Biden's desk he would veto it to protect the insurance industry.
They've been talking about prison reform since before the last election and immigration gets brought up every time they speak on subjects regarding latino's and it has been that way since before Obama was elected. I just hate the identity politics stuff.Yeah, LatinX promotes the idea of gender fluidity. If you use the term LatinX to describe yourself you are essentially saying that you subscribe to that particular ideology. That's why it was rejected.
I wouldn't hold that against Elizabeth Warren, especially if the LGBTQ+ made it a third rail topic.
Amnesty isn't just something being promoted by progressives. Establishment democrats thought that immigration reform would win them more votes. Now that the establishment knows that making their politics about "kids in cages" and "good trouble" won't win them any votes the progressives might be the only ones pushing those things now. Then you can blame it on the progressives.
The democratic establishment was worried that Trump would make strides with black people for his prison reform accomplishments. So that's why they started talking about prison reform.
Again, I don't think it's outrageous for people to want to ban Trump supporters from working in democratically elected offices IF they believe all these things they said about him. I personally thought that Trump was normal. Maybe I'm giving Trump too much credit for not getting into too many wars. I know John Bolton wanted to use brinksmanship a lot more in negotiations which could have backfired and thrown us into World War 3.
The LatinX thing just gets on my nerves because in most of America gender identity isn't a concern, gender identity is mostly an issue on the internet and with famous people who want to appear to be supportive, very few every day Americans even think about it and for many that do it freaks them out because they don't understand it and instead of giving them time to come around they are being called transphobes and bigots. I'm a gay man, as long as I don't hear a politician saying he's actively trying to make my life harder like denying gay marriage/same sex relationship benefits I'm fine with being ignored and lumped in with everyone else lol.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't strive for acceptance but when it comes to trans/gender identity issues that's less than 1% of the population and we shouldn't really be making that a priority to talk about when we are trying to win a national election. When I hear politicians parroting things they read on social media it just makes me think they are letting their interns tell them what they should focus on, sadly many don't realize only 25% of American adults even use twitter so basing your campaign around what people on twitter say is a huge mistake.
Democrats could have had a public option when the ACA was passed but they wouldn't do it, too many are bought and paid for by lobbyists. I agree on the senate, small unpopulated states like North Dakota having as much say as California makes no sense.
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I think I want to just leave the country now.
YEP,
I'd only worry if they start using the word "life force".
I think I want to just leave the country now.
That's not wrong... but far from the whole story. Obviously there's far too much dirty money in the party, but that's not the whole problem.
Just look at the past 4+ years. Republicans have won a ton of elections based on repealing Obamacare. This country leans a lot further right than many people want to admit.
Sadly, there should have been a massive blue wave in 2020. Trumpism should have been blown out of the water along with everyone who supported it. Instead. we got barely enough never Trumpers to vote, who still went red down the ballot.
I wish I were wrong. People ignored it in 2018 calling it a red wave when it wasn't. The GOP isn't going to run Trump in 2024, they are going to run someone like Paul Ryan (who magically started to appear in public a lot more again), and I hate to say it, but they are likely going to win. There's going to be a blue wave in 2022 also.
I don't think I have even heard the term LatinX before today
Politicians were obviously afraid to get behind gay marriage until it was safe to do so and while I don't fault them for that I think any who had the courage to be behind it when it wasn't popular deserve praise. There is something to be said for leadership.
But there isn't much to say about trans people other than don't discriminate and let them live their lives which is the same thing you would say about gay people and but I certainly do agree that people need to given time to come around on it and its also certainly true that social media does make things worse. People get in to their bubbles on there and reality flies right out the window.
I would say though if irritates you and it certainly does I don't know why you use social media unless you really have to
Politicians were obviously afraid to get behind gay marriage until it was safe to do so and while I don't fault them for that I think any who had the courage to be behind it when it wasn't popular deserve praise. There is something to be said for leadership.
But there isn't much to say about trans people other than don't discriminate and let them live their lives which is the same thing you would say about gay people and but I certainly do agree that people need to given time to come around on it and its also certainly true that social media does make things worse. People get in to their bubbles on there and reality flies right out the window.
I would say though if irritates you and it certainly does I don't know why you use social media unless you really have to
There are some other reason I stay on it but I do question if it's even worth it, it just seems like twitter and facebook are bringing society down, everyone has to engage in hyperbole and be insulting and try to "own" someone else instead of having any kind of mature discussion on a topic.
When it comes to trans people I get why it's taking people time to come around, I'm gay and I don't understand why trans people feel the way they do I just know that they shouldn't be punished for it and that's why I think this in your face kind of activism is going to hurt more than help. People have to prove they are the biggest ally or the most understanding and try to make others look bad with their over the top name calling and grandstanding instead of just letting people who are trans discuss the matter on their own with people they love.
I know it took a long time for gay people to be accepted in any real way but when progress started it hit warp speed pretty quickly all things considered. When I was in high school you'd never think about coming out if you knew what was good for you not just at school but at home, you'd never feel you really had a safe place because often times you'd hear your family say the same harsh things people were saying everywhere else. I know it's not always easy for kids now but it seems overall to be more accepted and gay marriage made a huge turnaround in polling in a fairly short amount of time, most of that was brought on by people talking to family and friends, coming out and putting a face to the issue not screaming "you have to love me for who I am" at everyone.
You heard LatinX if you watched the first democratic primary debate, Elizabeth Warren used the term, I believe that was the same debate that Julian Castro said trans people need reproductive justice. Yeah he meant born women who were transitioning to men being able to have abortions if they got pregnant but everyone took it as him not knowing that a man who transitioned into a woman couldn't get pregnant.
Had there been a public option and cost controls in Obamacare it would have been more popular, sadly a lot of the benefits weren't really pushed for and a lot of people's premiums went up a lot over that time. It didn't help that website kept crashing like crazy when they started trying to get everyone on it, it just came across as amateurish and the other side pounced on that.
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