The UnionVGF PS4 general impressions thread! Got a PS4? Share your impressions.
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I don't know you are in the minority there... I'd vastly prefer just adding a HDD via USB 3.0 than tinker with the one it comes with... Seems like a waste to just get rid of/replace the existing one...
You could always turn it into an external HDD with a $10 kit you can buy from any computer store.
The less things hanging out of my console the better, it's a neatness thing for me.
In saying that, I love that MS put USB ports on the back of their systems.
Hopefully it's still good. My PS3 (slim purchased in Feb 2012) has had similar issues. Just has a hard time quitting out of a game or something and appears frozen, then beeps a few times and restarts. At least the PS4 seems to be a little more advanced in that it then checks the HDD. Never saw any indication on the PS3 that it did that.
Do you believe that swapping out faster HDD's is something anyone but the most niche of core gamers will care about or even know about?
Which brings us back to my point, I think the vast, vast, vast majority of people would prefer being able to simply add more storage via USB then swap out an internal hard drive.
PS4's hard drive upgrade feature is certainly niche.
Not sure why that should matter to me personally. It's a nice option to have, and only available on one system. Not every conversation has to revolve around what the general public will use or care about.
PS4 will probably eventually support external hard drives as well. Xbox One doesn't support it for much of anything useful at launch either.
Not sure why that should matter to me personally. It's a nice option to have, and only available on one system. Not every conversation has to revolve around what the general public will use or care about.
PS4 will probably eventually support external hard drives as well. Xbox One doesn't support it for much of anything useful at launch either.
Seems to have never been an issue with the PS3 users, the manual even gives you easy steps to changing it out and they made it very simple (1 screw to access).
Those who want the space will invest 5 minutes to figure out how to change their HDD, the others will delete content from their current HDD's.
Well I guess that's the difference between Sony and MS eh? Sony seems to care a lot more about core gamers while MS rather cater mainly to casuals. I'm not an idiot and I know how to switch out a HDD. I know how to unplug my usb headset from my pc and plug it into my PS4 and not have to buy a totally new headset with 5.1 surround sound just because MS wants me to spend more money.
Can you even install games on external HDD with xb1?
It' so funny when these companies come out with features in OS updates that should have been there from the start. They act like they are doing us all some big favor by adding something that should have been in day one. Same thing with the whole MP3 thing and sony. Or Microsoft calling Xb1 the entertainment hub or w/e yet I can't even stream media files from my pc to the xb1.
It's great that we have the option to upgrade the drive and improve game load times and possibly performance. With SSD/SSHD it boots from standby in 3-4 seconds, or cold boot in 15-16. It's also nice that if the drive ever fails it's user replaceable without breaking warranty.
Do casual gamers care? Not really. But they're probably the ones who just bought "Just Dance 2014" for the Wii en masse and aren't paying attention to next gen anyway.
Do casual gamers care? Not really. But they're probably the ones who just bought "Just Dance 2014" for the Wii en masse and aren't paying attention to next gen anyway.
Yeah it kind of seems like both companies are moving backwards in some ways. Both allowed media streaming on the current/past gen consoles.
Careful - you're confusing 'tinkerers' with 'core gamers' - they're not the same. I'm a core gamer, and I've gamed all my life - I have no interest in modifying hardware at a fairly significant cost for a fairly small gain... plus, as a company, the more 'tinkering' we allow, the more we risk in terms of quality and security... it's a primary difference between PC's and consoles. If you like to tinker, and you're willing to spend your time and money to squeeze the best performance out of your toys - neither X1 nor PS4 will probably get you what you want... and PC's can beat both on virtually everything *today*, in a year, two years, three or more - PC's will obviously just completely destroy console performance... so again, if you're a 'tinkerer', consoles aren't built for that, and shouldn't be.
It has nothing to do with catering to "core" vs. "casual", it has to do with determining the best line in the sand to draw which maximizes user experience, while protecting the platform and ensuring the folks building the content have a closed system which has specific constants they can rely on... anytime you tinker with your box, you're tinkering with the constants which the platform was built/conceived with, and those kinds of things can introduce unexpected variables which degrade quality, introduce errors, potentially impact security, etc.
Careful again. Some of the most intelligent people in the world don't like (and lack aptitude for) tinkering with hardware.
You mistake a closed/well-tested platform with "MS wants more money". That's really not it at all.
Storage will be viewed as storage on X1, so you'll be able to use external storage for virtually anything which internal could be use for.
It's not a matter of it "can't" support something, it's a matter of consciously choosing based on proper investments around testing and verification.
Honestly, when you're shipping a console, you want to give everything to everyone... you want your system to have everything, be the best at everything, and give users 100% of what they want with everything they didn't even know they wanted on top of that... but in the real world, you need to figure out where you'll have the most impact. You need to figure out, "what's really most important to the people who will buy this box?" - and then you prioritize.
So, it's certainly possible that those things could happen down the line, but the question is - would we rather spend the time enabling and testing removable HDD's, or spend those same resources making more/better games? That's an easy one... because the former is only going to benefit a small number of our users, where as the latter will impact a far greater number of our users.
X1 will have more games at launch than PS4. We'll have more exclusives. We'll have (overall) more games and higher ranked games... we have more 'core' exclusives at launch, and we have the number one most anticipated next gen game as a full out exclusive. X1 is the best place for the core gamer. Bottom line. We also happen to have the best console for casuals, families, and entertainment junkies... so yes, "really dude".
Your point dosn't make sense from a consumer-standpoint. :-/
Every extra option you have to upgrade both speed and size of your storage, clearly it is a good thing - it dosn't matter if you are a core gamer or not.
It's the same as having Dead Rising 3 on Xbox One - compared to Call of Duty or Fifa - it's a niche franchise wich only core gamers know about. :-/
However - Xbox One's game portofolio is clearly much better with the ability to play a zombie-game aswell as the much more important CoD and Fifa.
The Wii U also offer you options - it dosn't have much of original storage - but it got lot's of great external storage options from third parties - but a console usually located in the living room, and if I were to guess - I would guess the concept of putting extra boxes in your living room is also pretty offputting to many consumers - but with more options to improve your game-experience - you still have a option to improve your gaming experience, and with many different boxes to put beside the Wii U, it dosn't hit you so hard in the design department.
A huge amount of gamers, both casual and core, know that storage might not be a problem the first year, or ever - but maybe one year down the line, you feel you need more storage, also on consoles.
Then it's great to know if the system you just bought have many different choices if you want to upgrade your storage space - and can swap your storage-solution to what you want.
Your point dosn't make sense from a consumer-standpoint. :-/
Every extra option you have to upgrade both speed and size of your storage, clearly it is a good thing - it dosn't matter if you are a core gamer or not.
It's the same as having Dead Rising 3 on Xbox One - compared to Call of Duty or Fifa - it's a niche franchise wich only core gamers know about. :-/
However - Xbox One's game portofolio is clearly much better with the ability to play a zombie-game aswell as the much more important CoD and Fifa.
The Wii U also offer you options - it dosn't have much of original storage - but it got lot's of great external storage options from third parties - but a console usually located in the living room, and if I were to guess - I would guess the concept of putting extra boxes in your living room is also pretty offputting to many consumers - but with more options to improve your game-experience - you still have a option to improve your gaming experience, and with many different boxes to put beside the Wii U, it dosn't hit you so hard in the design department.
A huge amount of gamers, both casual and core, know that storage might not be a problem the first year, or ever - but maybe one year down the line, you feel you need more storage, also on consoles.
Then it's great to know if the system you just bought have many different choices if you want to upgrade your storage space - and can swap your storage-solution to what you want.
KongRudi - I don't think you and I are really disagreeing here - read my response above. Obviously everyone wants to give everyone everything, but in the real world some things are prioritized above others, and not everything is available at launch, and not every feature is deemed as important enough to warrant the cost it would take to do it right.
Of course options for adjusting both speed and size are good, but to do so responsibly come at a cost. MS has bet that the bigger bang for the consumers buck (at least initially) is in making external storage super easy for them. I plan on getting a 2TB external drive for my box, personally... increasing the size easily was clearly the priority call over giving the tiny percentage of 'tinkerers' the option they'd want, which would be to replace the HDD with something not only larger, but faster... and I get that desire. I'm not one (personally) who would be willing to spend the time or the money to do something like that, considering the relatively tiny return on my investment (for both time and money), but I get why it's important to others... in any case, which would you personally prefer - more games/better games at launch, or the ability to swap out your hard drive at launch?
I know what my answer would be.
Core gamers are more likely to do things like swap out HD for larger space, or buy a console with a larger drive. It's a good option to have esp. if the drive fails. It's also better if a system is more compatible with a wider range of hardware, such as headsets. Are you really writing novels of FUD about "security" and "hardware issues" to downplay it?
I'd like PS4 to support external games storage as well, eventually.
I'd like PS4 to support external games storage as well, eventually.
People aren't as technically slow as you imply. It's not very hard to swap out a HDD. Throwing a 2 TB drive in and never having to worry about it again is much better than dealing with yet another box under my tv. Not to mention, having the ability to easily replace a bad HDD without sending your console out for repair will be a big positive down the road for some people.
Don't really give a damn about the rest of the argument, but you are incorrect about the streaming of media files.
continue on.