Titanfall Could Potential Cause a New Design Change in the VG industry

[BunzHoles]

Can anyone confirm if the AI in Titanfall are Cloud powered? If so, that could be a game changer for sure.

Yes, Titanfall uses dedicated servers.

Bots are always calculated on the server.

It's nothing new, so not a "Game changer." Games had dedicated servers over a decade ago, and.. bots.

To those who don't like the idea: How about, don't play the game? Many people enjoy playing against bots.. as I've pointed out, tons of popular mods exist that allow you to play against bots.. and have for a long time.. Rainbow Six had Terrorist Hunt, Gears Horde mode was insanely popular.. Halo Firefight.. almost all games have had some sort of "humans vs. bots" mode.. not exactly the same as this, but why are you so annoyed by it?

"OMG ITS SO NOOBS CAN GET KILLS" / leet dork

Go play some other game then.. you guys couldn't sound any more ridiculously nerdy. Games are meant to be fun.. there is still competition in Titanfall.. since the bots are easy... well.. then get more bot kills than everyone else? Killing humans and Titans is worth more points.. really don't see the problem.. why would some "noob" getting a bunch of bot kills, but still having the floor whiped overall score wise bother you?

There really is no such thing as "easy" or "hard" in multiplayer games. It's all about who you are playing against, and whether they are better or worse at the rules of the game you are playing.. noobs will get their asses kicked overall score wise against better players no matter what game you are playing.

 

[menace-uk-]

I'm sure many will give it a shot based off hype, but I don't think it has a chance at dethroning CoD in sales, especially since it has essentially excluded more than half the potential buyers by not releasing on Sony consoles.

Which COD ? Next one could bomb

But yeah, I agree , it isn;t likely to dethrone COD or BF in overall sales, but It might beat them out or get close to them in xbox sales only.

 

[menace-uk-]

It won't detrone CoD. People enjoy playing against other people. Gamers like the feeling of getting kills on another actual player, gamers get made at getting killed by actual players and feel the need to do better. Smack talk all around.

Introduce bots into the mix, and yeah, you'll have a game many will enjoy, but in they end, it's going to miss that feeling of either doing better or wanting to do better. CoD is simply way too large right now for it to be dethroned. Halo and BF can't dethrone it, a new ip won't do it either.

You got Jokes. All people do in COD is quit

 

[BunzHoles]

ITT: Somehow because you add bots you can't "do better" than other players.. you never fight pilots, or humans piloting Titans.. and there is absolutely no way that you might kill far more bots than others to prove your skill.

 

[menace-uk-]

Yes, Titanfall uses dedicated servers.

Bots are always calculated on the server.

It's nothing new, so not a "Game changer." Games had dedicated servers over a decade ago, and.. bots.

To those who don't like the idea: How about, don't play the game? Many people enjoy playing against bots.. as I've pointed out, tons of popular mods exist that allow you to play against bots.. and have for a long time.. Rainbow Six had Terrorist Hunt, Gears Horde mode was insanely popular.. Halo Firefight.. almost all games have had some sort of "humans vs. bots" mode.. not exactly the same as this, but why are you so annoyed by it?

"OMG ITS SO NOOBS CAN GET KILLS" / leet dork

Go play some other game then.. you guys couldn't sound any more ridiculously nerdy. Games are meant to be fun.. there is still competition in Titanfall.. since the bots are easy... well.. then get more bot kills than everyone else? Killing humans and Titans is worth more points.. really don't see the problem.. why would some "noob" getting a bunch of bot kills, but still having the floor whiped overall score wise bother you?

There really is no such thing as "easy" or "hard" in multiplayer games. It's all about who you are playing against, and whether they are better or worse at the rules of the game you are playing.. noobs will get their asses kicked overall score wise against better players no matter what game you are playing.

who you're playing against is exactly what makes a game "easy" or "Hard" which is exactly why I trashed this A.I notion and pointed more towards Matchmaking. Being matched against similar skilled opponents is the best way to enjoy a game ( when lone-wolfing).

The Big issue with the A.I is is the lack of the I. Want to add bots to a MP game, fine, but make them intelligent and a worth while addition. Right now, they just seem like a waste of time, not adding anything to the game other than easy gear unlocks and quicker Titan drops, both of which could have been handled differently. Games like Gears or Halo had bots that actively tried killing you. Used game lay features and map assets and ultimately had difficulty ranges to better cater to the skills of those playing. None of that seems to be happening in Titanfall.

 

[Qbert]

You got Jokes. All people do in COD is quit

Out of frustration...but they keep coming back for more, even if it's to find gamers taht suck more than them. But
subconsciously, if they know they are playing against bots, the thrill won't be the same. Think about it, if these CoD players are really ok with getting mega kills against bots because it makes them feel good, then why don't they just play more of the CoD bot modes? They "want" to play against other players. It's a different high/thrill to play against real people.


Again, not saying people won't enjoy TF, just saying, it won't really put too much of a dent in the CoD popularity. We've seen wayyyy too many better games come by that don't put a dent in the CoD fanbase.

 

[BunzHoles]

who you're playing against is exactly what makes a game "easy" or "Hard" which is exactly why I trashed this A.I notion and pointed more towards Matchmaking. Being matched against similar skilled opponents is the best way to enjoy a game ( when lone-wolfing).

You aren't competing against the bots.. the bots are not listed on the "score" screen... you are competing against the other human players not the bots. If the other human players get way more bot kills than you, + more human kills + more Titan kills they will mop the floor with you and you will be on the bottom of the score sheet.

Not sure what is so hard to understand.

You can get points in games for all types of things.. are you competing against flags in a CTF match? No.. you compete against other players, and capturing the flag is worth the most points.. the bots aren't really any different, except.. they are worth the least points.. so if you want to "win" you better kill some humans and Titans.. killing bots != winning the game.

And they aren't worth much score wise.. if all you do is sit around killing bots, your team will not win, and you will not top the score ladder. And even if that is all anyone does.. the best person at killing bots.. wins.

 

[menace-uk-]

You aren't competing against the bots.. the bots are not listed on the "score" screen... you are competing against the other human players not the bots. If the other human players get way more bot kills than you, + more human kills + more Titan kills they will mop the floor with you and you will be on the bottom of the score sheet.

Not sure what is so hard to understand.

You can get points in games for all types of things.. are you competing against flags in a CTF match? No.. you compete against other players, and capturing the flag is worth the most points.. the bots aren't really any different, except.. they are worth the least points.. so if you want to "win" you better kill some humans and Titans.. killing bots != winning the game.

And they aren't worth much score wise.. if all you do is sit around killing bots, your team will not win, and you will not top the score ladder. And even if that is all anyone does.. the best person at killing bots.. wins.

So they aren't worth being in the game. How hard is that to understand.

and we know you do not compete against bots, nobody is saying you do. Where the f*** you got this from I do not know.

 

[BunzHoles]

So they aren't worth being in the game. How hard is that to understand.

Or go play another game.. because myself and many others find the idea of mixed AI/Human combat fun.

and we know you do not compete against bots, nobody is saying you do. Where the f*** you got this from I do not know.

Maybe from this?

who you're playing against is exactly what makes a game "easy" or "Hard"

Getting a bot kill is not winning the game... so no matter how easy a bot is to kill, that doesn't make the game easy.. the "Game" isn't getting bot kills, it's to beat the other players team/scores.

 

[menace-uk-]

Or go play another game.. because myself and many others find the idea of mixed AI/Human combat fun.

Ahh, that little line. If that is all got then why partake in discussion at all.

As for mixed A.I/Human combat. I like the Idea too, but where is the combat ? A.I getting wrecked all the time because of no intelligence is not combat, or fun.

Maybe from this?
Getting a bot kill is not winning the game... so no matter how easy a bot is to kill, that doesn't make the game easy.. the "Game" isn't getting bot kills, it's to beat the other players team/scores.

Really ? Hahahaha. You got that, from that, Hahahahahaha.

 

[BunzHoles]

Ahh, that little line. If that is all got then why partake in discussion at all.

You said "So they aren't worth being in the game."... what else am I supposed to respond with?

I've actually played this game.. and had a lot of fun with it, including the existence of the bots.. so they are "worth it" to me.. not much else to say.

As for mixed A.I/Human combat. I like the Idea too, but where is the combat ? A.I getting wrecked all the time because of no intelligence is not combat, or fun.

Go spend your time "Wrecking AI" and you won't be having much fun.. so why would you do that? The AI are there to supplement the gameplay.. if you are focusing on AI, a human player could probably easily take advantage of you... flank you, etc.

You also can hack the AI.. tons of games have things like "Turrets" that can be set up or dropped, that are.. get this.. AI controlled. Destroying a turret usually gets you points in the game.. think of the bots as more advanced turrets, that you can hack to be on your side (something that other games allow too) and what is so bad about it?

"OMG THESE TURRETS IN KILLZONE ARE SO EASY TO KILL!! THIS GAME SUCKS ITS FOR NOOBS!"

Really ? Hahahaha. You got that, from that, Hahahahahaha.

Yes.. "playing against" and "competing against" are synonymous.

You are worthless to respond to, have a nice day.

 

[menace-uk-]

You said "So they aren't worth being in the game."... what else am I supposed to respond with?

If you have nothing, then say nothing.

I've actually played this game.. and had a lot of fun with it, including the existence of the bots.. so they are "worth it" to me.. not much else to say.

Cool, glad you enjoyed it. Shame you seem to have trouble saying what that worth actually is.

Go spend your time "Wrecking AI" and you won't be having much fun.. so why would you do that? The AI are there to supplement the gameplay.. if you are focusing on AI, a human player could probably easily take advantage of you... flank you, etc.

You also can hack the AI.. tons of games have things like "Turrets" that can be set up or dropped, that are.. get this.. AI controlled. Destroying a turret usually gets you points in the game.. think of the bots as more advanced turrets, that you can hack to be on your side (something that other games allow too) and what is so bad about it?

"OMG THESE TURRETS IN KILLZONE ARE SO EASY TO KILL!! THIS GAME SUCKS ITS FOR NOOBS!"

So the A.I with no intelligence is being hacked to be on our side. WOW... you converted me. Now I have a r******d bot on my side...wooot. LOL

Yes.. "playing against" and "competing against" are synonymous.

You are worthless to respond to, have a nice day.

Oh please, stop it. Your original comment was about MP games in general " There really is no such thing as "easy" or "hard" in multiplayer games" as was my retort. The retort you quoted as a reason for your asinine comment about competing with bots.






Simply put, I just do not see the point of the bots. They seem to do nothing. their points worth is minimal, their actions on the Battlefield are not great. all they seem to be for is unlock progression and speeding up titan drops. Seems like an over elaborate and needless way of incorporating those systems.

Now for all your comments and arguing, you have yet to put fourth any credible reason for somebody to think any different about it.

 

[BunzHoles]

Cool, glad you enjoyed it. Shame you seem to have trouble saying what that worth actually is.

LOL.. except the next paragraph you quoted contained some reasons why their addition is fun.. they add an extra element to the battlefield that does in fact, have to be dealt with.. if you don't kill the bots they will shoot you and deplete your health, potentially kill you, or make you easier to kill.. hacking all of the other teams bots makes your "bot squad" that much more disruptive. They aren't some instantly killable entity.. they take cover, they squad up.. they defend positions, they throw grenades... they just aren't parkouring around the map piloting Titans.

And you REALLY don't seem to be getting my initial point, or are refusing to address it. Your response indicated that. If bots are easy to kill, then the higher skilled players will kill that many more than them.. in a score based game getting one kill doesn't make the game easy.. it just makes that kill easy.. you still have to contend with the score, your teams goals, the human players, the titans, etc.

So I'll re-iterate: Whether a multi-player match is easy or hard depends on the skills of the human players in that game.. and how skilled they are within the rules of the game. If one of the rules of the game is something "easy" that doesn't make the game easy.. it's only easy if you are better at that rule than the other players.

 

[menace-uk-]

LOL.. except the next paragraph you quoted contained some reasons why their addition is fun.. they add an extra element to the battlefield that does in fact, have to be dealt with.. if you don't kill the bots they will shoot you and deplete your health, potentially kill you, or make you easier to kill.. hacking all of the other teams bots makes your "bot squad" that much more disruptive. They aren't some instantly killable entity.. they take cover, they squad up.. they defend positions, they throw grenades... they just aren't parkouring around the map piloting Titans.

See, how hard was that ? Why not have done this from the start ?

I can't say I have seen them do anything you said to great effect in the videos I have seen, but hey, maybe they were just poor representations.

And you REALLY don't seem to be getting my initial point, or are refusing to address it. Your response indicated that. If bots are easy to kill, then the higher skilled players will kill that many more than them.. in a score based game getting one kill doesn't make the game easy.. it just makes that kill easy.. you still have to contend with the score, your teams goals, the human players, the titans, etc.

Really not sure where I implied this ? but, a higher skilled player is going to kill more. They are also going to play the objectives more, or do anything that earns the team points more, cause that is what skilled players do. So A.I bots included to help low skilled players feel better is pointless.

So I'll re-iterate: Whether a multi-player match is easy or hard depends on the skills of the human players in that game.. and how skilled they are within the rules of the game. If one of the rules of the game is something "easy" that doesn't make the game easy.. it's only easy if you are better at that rule than the other players.

I never said it did. Not sure why it needs re-iterating.

 

[BunzHoles]

I never said it did. Not sure why it needs re-iterating.

Because you did say it.

who you're playing against is exactly what makes a game "easy" or "Hard"

This was in reference to the bots. Having easy to kill bots doesn't make the "game" easy. Now claim you didn't say what you said, call my comments asinine, and pointless post smilies and "hahahahahaha"'s.

It's plainly obvious you ignored or didn't understand my point, because your comment about the AI's making the game easy was in response to my point...

 

[Oblong]

I'm not much into FPS but upon reflection I realized my favorite ones were the ones fighting against bots...Timesplitters, Ghost Recon coop, Gears horde, COD single player campaign...this Titanfall may be right up my alley.

 

[menace-uk-]

Because you did say it.



This was in reference to the bots. Having easy to kill bots doesn't make the "game" easy. Now claim you didn't say what you said, call my comments asinine, and pointless post smilies and "hahahahahaha"'s.

It's plainly obvious you ignored or didn't understand my point, because your comment about the AI's making the game easy was in response to my point...

I didn't say that. That was in response to your "MP games are not Easy or Hard", see that, MP GAMES. Not Titanfall specific but MP games in general. That whole Paragraph is General and not specific. Everything else in my reply about A.I has nothing to do with you(basically a reference to something I had previously said) , and more about the Title of the thread, and my opinion of matchmaking being a better option.

 

[Li Tan]

This is an alternative to matchmaking players of similar levels. That said, it will create a different vibe and atmosphere to simply playing with other noobs. Good to have another alternative playing style.

 

[BunzHoles]

I didn't say that. That was in response to your "MP games are not Easy or Hard"

Right.. you CLEARLY don't get it. And now you are saying you didn't say things.. that you said.

Moving on.