Please don't. There is a thread for that. And I'm sick of this resolution bull$hit anyways. That issue is so overblown it is absolutely ridiculous.
Want to watch BF4 in full 1080p/60FPS next-gen quality?
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Please don't. There is a thread for that. And I'm sick of this resolution bull$hit anyways. That issue is so overblown it is absolutely ridiculous.
Um when truths are shown we have constant spinning going on and he is one of the biggest spin Doctors.
That article is what was needed to enlighten those to why the XBO is struggling to go above 720p...
That article is what was needed to enlighten those to why the XBO is struggling to go above 720p...
You do try so hard, dont you mate? lol. Console's are serious business. Let the smear campaign begin!...er wait. Its already started. lol.
Whats funny is that it wont make a difference though ValliancE. Sony fanboys did this same crap with the Dreamcast. I think you mates are afraid of the XO. Everyone knows Sony needs this win in a major way so every little victory counts. If the XO is as successful as the 360 was, that may be all she wrote for the Sony gaming division. I get it! Truth of it, I'm still a little disgruntled over the Dreamcast so......
XBOX ONE: REVENGE OF THE SEGA DREAMCAST and s***! LOL.
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I know this....Astro isn't here right now trolling this thread.......but I know who is.
Astro is either a troll, in which case he's mostly trolling himself by writing massive textwalls of illogical gibberish that only get laughed at. Or he's a misterx'er, in which case we should pity him.
Misterx is going on about "sony lie and brainwash", ironic considering the large and deceptive PR campaign put out by Hyrb, Penello, Leadbetter, Hotchips, et al. You would think Cerny and pals were the ones trumpeting their console's specs.
Still waiting for that day 1 update that turns XB1 into a 4.8TF beast.
Misterx is going on about "sony lie and brainwash", ironic considering the large and deceptive PR campaign put out by Hyrb, Penello, Leadbetter, Hotchips, et al. You would think Cerny and pals were the ones trumpeting their console's specs.
Still waiting for that day 1 update that turns XB1 into a 4.8TF beast.
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Astro is either a troll, in which case he's mostly trolling himself by writing massive textwalls of illogical gibberish that only get laughed at. Or he's a misterx'er, in which case we should pity him.
Misterx is going on about "sony lie and brainwash", ironic considering the large and deceptive PR campaign put out by Hyrb, Penello, Leadbetter, Hotchips, et al. You would think Cerny and pals were the ones trumpeting their console's specs.
Still waiting for that day 1 update that turns XB1 into a 4.8TF beast.
Astro is either a troll, in which case he's mostly trolling himself by writing massive textwalls of illogical gibberish that only get laughed at. Or he's a misterx'er, in which case we should pity him.
Misterx is going on about "sony lie and brainwash", ironic considering the large and deceptive PR campaign put out by Hyrb, Penello, Leadbetter, Hotchips, et al. You would think Cerny and pals were the ones trumpeting their console's specs.
Still waiting for that day 1 update that turns XB1 into a 4.8TF beast.
You can look at it how ever you want but the biggest message i have gotten from them is that the power difference largely doesn't matter, wether or not thats true in future is unknown but it certainly isn't true now. Wether that makes it deceptive or just good PR is a different question.
It still doesn't mean the comments they have been making are genuine. They can play the same all they want, the problem most people have with it is that they went on a 'the powers are equal' pr spree which is obviously false. Now that this showing up to be false we have them saying stuff like 'its outputted at 1080P' as if its the same thing as being rendered at that resolution natively. Those comments are disingenuous at best.
Well let's look at some of the PR/ignorant tech claims:
offloading/15 coprocessors - bunk, most of those coprocessors are dedicated to Kinect or are standard AMD GCN features
upscale - bunk, there is no magical amazing upscaler, the BF4 720p footage makes that obvious
balance - bunk, PS4 is both more powerful and more balanced
custom - bunk, PS4 is just as or more custom built, the GPGPU and hUMA features for example
upclock - insignificant
tiled resources - may be used to get around ESRAM limits in the future, but at the moment bunk
DDR3 vs GDDR5 latency - bunk
bottlenecks - bunk, the largest bottleneck between either console is XB1's ESRAM and 16 ROPs
"MS is better at software" - bunk, turned out XB1's dev tools and OS were lagging behind PS4
"no 30% advantage" - bunk, it's ~50% more GPU power, unified memory advantages, twice the ROPs, and far better GPGPU
Some of the most outrageous nonsense, FUD, and straight up falsehoods was posted by Penello himself on GAF:
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously?
There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference ? it would be obvious. If it comes out after we launch that the difference between 3rd party games is maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms, will I get an apology or concession?"
Hyrb on Reddit: "We have some of smartest programmers in the world working on Xbox One. I am very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out."
Well the truth came out, and their PR campaign was revealed as a deceptive sham. Once again, they are NOT making claims that graphics don't matter, or that people won't notice, but claims that XB1 was factually more powerful than it really was.
I'll also note the many forum posters repeating the same ignorant buzzwords and claims ad nauseum, at least until the BF4 footage finally started putting nails in the XB1 power coffin.
Meanwhile, Sony employees and execs have been mostly quiet about the PS4's hardware advantage. Certainly nothing high profile like the 4-5 DF interviews, constant Leadbetter nonsense, and Hyrb/Penello campaigning on Twitter, GAF, and Reddit. So when I hear "Sony lies and FUD" I can only think it's some kind of deranged bizarro world attempt to turn the truth upsidown. But then again this is misterx we're talking about (and anyone who thinks like him).
offloading/15 coprocessors - bunk, most of those coprocessors are dedicated to Kinect or are standard AMD GCN features
upscale - bunk, there is no magical amazing upscaler, the BF4 720p footage makes that obvious
balance - bunk, PS4 is both more powerful and more balanced
custom - bunk, PS4 is just as or more custom built, the GPGPU and hUMA features for example
upclock - insignificant
tiled resources - may be used to get around ESRAM limits in the future, but at the moment bunk
DDR3 vs GDDR5 latency - bunk
bottlenecks - bunk, the largest bottleneck between either console is XB1's ESRAM and 16 ROPs
"MS is better at software" - bunk, turned out XB1's dev tools and OS were lagging behind PS4
"no 30% advantage" - bunk, it's ~50% more GPU power, unified memory advantages, twice the ROPs, and far better GPGPU
Some of the most outrageous nonsense, FUD, and straight up falsehoods was posted by Penello himself on GAF:
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously?
There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference ? it would be obvious. If it comes out after we launch that the difference between 3rd party games is maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms, will I get an apology or concession?"
Hyrb on Reddit: "We have some of smartest programmers in the world working on Xbox One. I am very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out."
Well the truth came out, and their PR campaign was revealed as a deceptive sham. Once again, they are NOT making claims that graphics don't matter, or that people won't notice, but claims that XB1 was factually more powerful than it really was.
I'll also note the many forum posters repeating the same ignorant buzzwords and claims ad nauseum, at least until the BF4 footage finally started putting nails in the XB1 power coffin.
Meanwhile, Sony employees and execs have been mostly quiet about the PS4's hardware advantage. Certainly nothing high profile like the 4-5 DF interviews, constant Leadbetter nonsense, and Hyrb/Penello campaigning on Twitter, GAF, and Reddit. So when I hear "Sony lies and FUD" I can only think it's some kind of deranged bizarro world attempt to turn the truth upsidown. But then again this is misterx we're talking about (and anyone who thinks like him).
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Yet it's been said that the X1 is capable of 1080p and that's it's up to the developers. I want to hear the stories of the devs as to why it's not. We can go back and forth all day about tech, but if what MS is saying is true, then I wonder why the devs didn't make games like BF and CoD at 900p or 1080.
Late dev tools? Maybe. Weaker console couldn't handle it? Maybe. But we don't know of anything concrete and that's where the spreading of FUD comes from.
So either MS is lying or devs aren't using the most of out the X1 just yet. Pick your poison.
The upscaler isn't magic, it actually works, hence why the game outputs at 1080. No, it's not native, but that'll be what you're looking at.
Sony is better at MS at Software? Lol, not even close. Those graphic drivers you mentioned have come from unnamed developers. I remember reading quite a few articles on that, almost all of it was from anon developers. If we're taking that as credible sources, why are we having this discussion?
You claim debunked but yet there are quite a few games on the X1 that runs at 1080p 60fps. So with that being said, the console can't be as weak as people think it is. It's not about graphics being equal like you said, it's about them saying that the console is stronger than it really is. Yeah, the PS4 has the edge on BF4 and CoD but these are still early days in the console life. Yes, MS dev tools could have been brought out late, but we don't know for sure, but if the console was as weak as everyone is claiming, then you can sure as hell bet that you wouldn't see anything above 720p.
Really? I can remember Sony fans touting 200% stronger than the 360 and the claiming that it would have pixar graphic fidelity.
I remember the PS3 fans crying over that infamous Killzone 2 footage.
It's both. The dev tools will be taken care of eventually, but the hardware gap is insurmountable. Multiple reliable insiders have mentioned the dev tools, and it makes sense in light of the evidence, such as CoD being 720p when it should be 900p at least. Reliable insider info is not FUD, nonsense like the Penello, Hyrb, and Leadbetter show is FUD.
"You claim debunked but yet there are quite a few games on the X1 that runs at 1080p 60fps." Resolution is an IQ tradeoff. Forza 5 runs at 1080p 60, but has almost no lighting, shading, particles, or other advanced effects. Shadowfall runs at 1080p 60 with significantly more powerful effects. If Forza 5 was on PS4 it would have better lighting, shading, AA, etc.
"if the console was as weak as everyone is claiming" Strawman argument. The difference in BF4 720p to 900p is about in line with the ~50% power gap, not counting the worse framerate, lack of AA, cheaper motion blur, etc. Anyone who understands technology could predict that just by looking at the known specs of the consoles.
That's the silliest part - people who don't understand tech making bunk claims about "shape balance custom software bottleneck latency" towards people who know what they're talking about and have been right all this time, even before the BF4 footage.
Either Sony is better at software or the problem is with the Hardware.
May I ask which non-indy games run at 1080P 60FPS?.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some Developers are saying both are more similar than the PS3 & 360 were. I guess we'll find out in a year or two.
NBA 2k14, Forza 5, Ryse, Crimson Dragon.
Please tell me these reliable insiders. I've yet to hear any actual names.
There is no denying the PS4 is stronger, I never argued that, but I've had my eye on everything and each time it's been some dev that no one either knows or they're anonymous.
Ryse is 900P. But alas, 3 ?. Its not a bad number but still. In comparison to Sony 3 is rather small.
3 is not 'quite a few', 3 is a handful.
How many are indie titles and how many are multi platform / exclusives like Forza, NBA 2k14.
jaggies is what kills me
the crushed blacks are a no issue since that was a recording problem but jaggies were not.... PS4 has jaggies too but its nowhere near as disgusting looking. DICE better do something about that for final game, even if it means dropping some effects.. or giving us an option to drop some effects to have better AA
i believe PS3 version of BF3 had a Anti-Aliasing setting, thye should do that for Xbox One, i hate nothing more then jaggies
the crushed blacks are a no issue since that was a recording problem but jaggies were not.... PS4 has jaggies too but its nowhere near as disgusting looking. DICE better do something about that for final game, even if it means dropping some effects.. or giving us an option to drop some effects to have better AA
i believe PS3 version of BF3 had a Anti-Aliasing setting, thye should do that for Xbox One, i hate nothing more then jaggies