What the IFFING Hell?!?!? Visiting Chinese man captures and kills neighbor's dog and then eats it!

That was pretty cool! Of course any of us who own dogs know how to read them and it seems like they can read us as well.

Yeah, I was surprised to hear we naturally looked left first at human faces (didn't realize that), and that dogs are the only species that does that as well -- and not with their own species, but just with human faces. It sure shows how closely connected we are.
 
Because it happens quite a lot in China! While living there, that's all I heard. If you have a dog, you better keep it on a leash all the time and watch his every move! The instant he goes out on his own...It's bye bye time! Someone will simply kidnap him and turn him into a nice delicious BBQ! Rule of law? Rule of WHAT law? The most is a 50$ fine for the perp and that 's it! These guys think the same rules apply here until they get slapped full in the face by American reality! This is what happened last year in California also. What happened was some stupid idiotic Chinese high school students went on a rampage on another Chinese girl because she looked at the "alpha" female boyfriend of the group funny. They ended up torturing her by burning her nipples with a cigarette butt, cut off her hair and forced her to eat it etc. Their thinking? "Come on, in China at most we get expelled out of the school, we just move to a new area, our rich parents pay some bribe money and all is well!" Well, unfortunately, this is California, the good ol' U.S. of A, where torturing people like that can get you a life sentence! 2 of the kids ran immediately for China when they heard that. Four others yawned and decided nothing is gonna happen...Until they are in the court room when the judge informed them of the penalty! Then they realized they may have just ruined their freaking life!
I get the concept of eating dog meat, but stealing your neighbor's dog? It seems incredible to me that the people who were living in San Fran thought it was a good idea to take property from next door, as if nobody would notice. The zero f***s given here is just insane to me.
 
The thing about the guys eating their neighbour's dogs is doubly stupid. How about the fact these Chinese guys just stole another person's property with no shame.

Hey, I think my neighbour has a better TV than me. Hmmm..... you know what? I'm just going to go over there when he's not home and take it. Thanks bud!

Is that what it's like in China? If you're hungry, just grab whatever dog you see?
I don't know, but isn't part of the dog food culture revolve around the large dog population? I'd assume majority of the dogs eaten aren't owned by anyone.
 
The thing about the guys eating their neighbour's dogs is doubly stupid. How about the fact these Chinese guys just stole another person's property with no shame.

Hey, I think my neighbour has a better TV than me. Hmmm..... you know what? I'm just going to go over there when he's not home and take it. Thanks bud!

Is that what it's like in China? If you're hungry, just grab whatever dog you see?

While dogs are not banned as food, it is extremely rare to find dog food ( I meant dog as food) in the bigger cities. I spoke with my many Chinese friends (I used to do many business with Chinese suppliers of plastics), & they said it was extremely rare, & none of them consume them. Its more of a sub sub culture.

There are a comical misconception of China I heard so often, that are completely wrong. amount them are
China use Child labor/Slave labor, if you buy something from China (which is most things these days), you are supporting child labor!!!

You can say a lot about China, copyright infringement, bad safety standard, Government using excessive force, media blackout, but China do not use child or slave labor. Child labor is completely banned & no, its not one of the "its banned but I bet many people do it" type of ban. Its just is what it is, they do not use child labor. I think the misunderstanding came from many people mistaken China like places in Vietnam, or Burma, where they use (or at lest used (last checked) child labor....

The chance finding child labor in China is as high as in America or Europe. While exploitation do take place often, like using intent students to do labor work for peanuts, & they do work long hours like many East Asia nations, they are far from defining as slave labor.
 
While dogs are not banned as food, it is extremely rare to find dog food ( I meant dog as food) in the bigger cities. I spoke with my many Chinese friends (I used to do many business with Chinese suppliers of plastics), & they said it was extremely rare, & none of them consume them. Its more of a sub sub culture.

It may be a subculture, but I disagree that it's "extremely rare." 300 dogs a day are killed for food in Yulin alone, according to the Humane Society. That's not during the festival, that's during normal times of year (it increases dramatically during the festival). Who knows how many are tortured.

And that's just Yulin (pop ~ 1 million), to say nothing of the rest of China (population ~ 1.3 billion), to say nothing of the dozen other countries where this is practiced.
 
It may be a subculture, but I disagree that it's "extremely rare." 300 dogs a day are killed for food in Yulin alone, according to the Humane Society. That's not during the festival, that's during normal times of year (it increases dramatically during the festival). Who knows how many are tortured.

And that's just Yulin (pop ~ 1 million), to say nothing of the rest of China (population ~ 1.3 billion), to say nothing of the dozen other countries where this is practiced.
I think the problem I see here is you extrapolate a city (Yulin) to rest of China. The problem is China is not homogeneous in culture & more like a collection of small nations. At 1.3 billion, & size of a continent, you expect certain practices to be more dominance in certain region than others.

Maybe you are right that its not extremely rare, but it certainly very rare in modern cities like Shanghai, comparatively.
What would be unfair is to judge a culture as massive as China due to subculture that is dominate in certain areas. It would be more meaningful to condemn the regions where the practice is engaged. Otherwise that would like condemning Britain as a nation as being violence because you saw some English football fans behaving like thugs.

if you can find proof that it is homogeneous bad (or bad enough) in every/most regions, I will have no issue apologies for the statements made.
 
I think the problem I see here is you extrapolate a city (Yulin) to rest of China. The problem is China is not homogeneous in culture & more like a collection of small nations. At 1.3 billion, & size of a continent, you expect certain practices to be more dominance in certain region than others.

That's true, but I didn't say the practice was as common in the rest of China as it is in Yulin. I have no idea. I only pointed out that, in the one city I'm aware of where we have data, the practice is not "extremely rare," but in fact quite common.

Now, perhaps the practice is more common in Yulin than in China generally. Let's say it's twice as common in Yulin as elsewhere. I have no reason to believe that, but let's just make that assumption for argument's sake. That still leave us with 195,000 dogs per day, every day, being slaughtered for food in China. Something that happens 195,000 times a day, every day, cannot be called "extremely rare."

Maybe you are right that its not extremely rare, but it certainly very rare in modern cities like Shanghai, comparatively.

Maybe. All due respect to your friends in plastics, I'm not sure they're necessarily tuned in to everything that's going on in a city that size. All kinds of things can be happening, and if you're not plugged into the subculture, you just don't know about them. Maybe they don't travel in those circles. Maybe they don't want to know. I live in the South, and when the subject of racism comes up, there's always some old white guy who tells me racism is extremely rare down here. Sure it is. I'm not saying this is what's happening with your friends, but people have all kinds of ways of keeping themselves unaware of things they'd rather not be aware of. Heck, I sent the video JinCA posted to my siblings, and they didn't want to look at it. They'd rather not see it. Out of sight, out of mind.

What would be unfair is to judge a culture as massive as China due to subculture that is dominate in certain areas. It would be more meaningful to condemn the regions where the practice is engaged. Otherwise that would like condemning Britain as a nation as being violence because you saw some English football fans behaving like thugs.

You're objecting to blanket condemnations of China. I haven't made any blanket condemnations of China. I'm not even condemning the practice of eating dog meat. As I said before, eat the meat if you have to, but stop the burning alive, the skinning alive, the torture. That's what I condemn. But that's a different subject. We're just talking dog meat industry here. I was objecting to calling it "extremely rare." To my ears, and this may just be my interpretation, it sounds like you're minimizing it, saying "It's no big deal, nothing to worry about," doing the Iraqi Prime Minister thing. I admit I'm sensitive here, because I really object to the practice of torture (which is tied into the dog meat industry).

if you can find proof that it is homogeneous bad (or bad enough) in every/most regions, I will have no issue apologies for the statements made.

Well, that's going to be awfully hard to come by. Obviously, Chinese media can't be trusted to provide accurate information. So we have to rely on Humane Society and other similar organizations -- but most of their resources are going to rescue efforts, not large-scale investigations. Humane Society simply couldn't afford to undertake a China-wide investigation. So, all we have right now (afaik) is estimates for Yulin, which is where the media attention is focused. I agree that Yulin may not be representative of all of China -- in fact, I hope to God it is not.
 
Good points. I did not specifically said you blanket condemn China, but I meant to say many people did, without consider China is massive in size, people & culture. If it was unclear, I apologies.

As a meat eater, I will not go the moral high ground to say I condemn treatment of animals as food, but any unnecessary torture should be banned, that include halal slaughter (very anti PC, but I was born without PC bones) , & what you mentioned, Definitely supporting your views on this. I will say we are pretty much in line.

As far as Chinese media, they certainly cannot write something that is anti Government, but non government related, I think they are mainly okay, but do not quote me on this, I do not read Chinese papers, except when I am in China (free copy during breakfast, so why not).

As for dog, I guess depends on how you see it. Chinese do not have a long history of domesticating dogs, so they could just see it as another meat source. In Germany, & some nations, you can eat rabbit/hare as well, & I find that disgusting as well. Not common, but you can certain find it.

But seriously I do not know our media are much better. In Germany, its full of cover up, & often news only get reported when overseas media already caught wind & report, like what happened in Cologne on News years eve.

You be surprise how critical they are of themselves. I seen on TV who on TV, the host reported how badly behave some of them are overseas,
& how to correct them, & there are no s***storm after the show. The Chinese are actually very self critical of themselves, which I see it as a strength.
 
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I get the concept of eating dog meat, but stealing your neighbor's dog? It seems incredible to me that the people who were living in San Fran thought it was a good idea to take property from next door, as if nobody would notice. The zero f***s given here is just insane to me.

That's the problem right there! A lot of Chinese live very sheltered lives and added on top of rule of laws does not apply, it can lead to some serious problems abroad. As I've said, in China, kidnapping another person's dog and then BBQ it = at most a $50 fine and nothing more...The most stunning thing is, the perp will tell you it is YOUR FAULT for not keeping an eye on your doggie! Hence why Chinese get such a bad rap overseas with all the spitting, trash throwing, line jumping and other uncultured and unmannered behaviors. A lot of my relatives said back 30 years ago, when China was just starting to open up, you can open your doors and no problem. No one will bother you. These days, if you dare to open your doors and leave...Good luck finding your stuff when you come back home!
 
That's the problem right there! A lot of Chinese live very sheltered lives and added on top of rule of laws does not apply, it can lead to some serious problems abroad. As I've said, in China, kidnapping another person's dog and then BBQ it = at most a $50 fine and nothing more...The most stunning thing is, the perp will tell you it is YOUR FAULT for not keeping an eye on your doggie! Hence why Chinese get such a bad rap overseas with all the spitting, trash throwing, line jumping and other uncultured and unmannered behaviors. A lot of my relatives said back 30 years ago, when China was just starting to open up, you can open your doors and no problem. No one will bother you. These days, if you dare to open your doors and leave...Good luck finding your stuff when you come back home!
I get it, but I'm still surprised anyone living here for a while would allow it to happen. Perhaps the guy was intimidating his family members? He doesn't exactly look like a nice guy.
 
That's the problem right there! A lot of Chinese live very sheltered lives and added on top of rule of laws does not apply, it can lead to some serious problems abroad. As I've said, in China, kidnapping another person's dog and then BBQ it = at most a $50 fine and nothing more...The most stunning thing is, the perp will tell you it is YOUR FAULT for not keeping an eye on your doggie! Hence why Chinese get such a bad rap overseas with all the spitting, trash throwing, line jumping and other uncultured and unmannered behaviors. A lot of my relatives said back 30 years ago, when China was just starting to open up, you can open your doors and no problem. No one will bother you. These days, if you dare to open your doors and leave...Good luck finding your stuff when you come back home!
Wow. So what the fuk happened in the past 30 years to make the society become thieves?

As for the whole dog thing, I guess it makes sense then. Regardless of whether it's clearly property of a neighbour, it seems to be a no-holds barred attempt at possession. And I guess nobody cares about a $50 fine.

Here in Toronto, Asian people are fine. The younger people from overseas, or people born in Canada have normal etiquette. Although the older people can be disgusting. Very nice people, but absolutely ZERO etiquette. They have no problem spitting, horking, and coughing to clear their throat every 5 minutes as if they have humongous phlegm balls that regenerate every 4 minutes and 59 seconds. When it's the cold and flu season, they can also cough, blow their nose in a tissue, and eat with their mouth open right in your face.

And you'll never see an old Asian person hold a door open, or hold an elevator if someone is nearby. No problem letting a door slam into someone's face though they are 5 ft away.

I'm surprised I've never heard an old Asian person fart beside me. Every other gross thing can be done, but no farting?!?! lol
 
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I get it, but I'm still surprised anyone living here for a while would allow it to happen. Perhaps the guy was intimidating his family members? He doesn't exactly look like a nice guy.

Cultural differences. In China, an in a lot of other Asian countries, family and family relationships goes above all else. In this case, the guy commits a crime, his U.S. relatives might know better, but since he IS family, they feel they can't just turn him in and it's their duty to help him. But the problem is, the guy probably felt it's just a small case and nothing to worry about despite his relative consternation....But despite that, his relatives felt they had to help him cause family and familial relationship have to come first.

Wow. So what the fuk happened in the past 30 years to make the society become thieves?

As for the whole dog thing, I guess it makes sense then. Regardless of whether it's clearly property of a neighbour, it seems to be a no-holds barred attempt at possession. And I guess nobody cares about a $50 fine.

Here in Toronto, Asian people are fine. The younger people from overseas, or people born in Canada have normal etiquette. Although the older people can be disgusting. Very nice people, but absolutely ZERO etiquette. They have no problem spitting, horking, and coughing to clear their throat every 5 minutes as if they have humongous phlegm balls that regenerate every 4 minutes and 59 seconds. When it's the cold and flu season, they can also cough, blow their nose in a tissue, and eat with their mouth open right in your face.

And you'll never see an old Asian person hold a door open, or hold an elevator if someone is nearby. No problem letting a door slam into someone's face though they are 5 ft away.

I'm surprised I've never heard an old Asian person fart beside me. Every other gross thing can be done, but no farting?!?! lol

What the fluke happened? China got super rich super fast that's what happened. And add on top rule of law did not catch up, and if it tried, you got the Communist Party in the way, and some of the higher ups in the party basically view themselves as above any laws, and you compound the problem. Heard some one said that getting rich means bringing the worst out of people...Which is what happened. China is very much like the U.S. in the turn of last century. Except our government is diversified and we have rule of law and so we quickly caught up and prevented society from spiraling downward...China...Not likely since you can do anything you want....Kill the neighbor dog and eats it? "hehehe! Here is a couple grand....Let me go scott free!!!!" And guess what...."Yep, thanks for the cash buddy and you know, if the victim complain, we'll just throw them in jail!" Don't laugh....It has actually happened over there!

And yes, the young generation and Chinese born here are some of the most well mannered people....There parents and grandparents? Not so much....This is the reason I bought my kids here....Not gonna have them learn bad manners over there!
 
Stryder, one thing that always amused me too. Chinese kids taking a dump in a trash can. I can think of some reasons why, but is there a definitive reason below you think is the main answer?

1. Family is poor and can't afford diapers
2. Family is lazy and doesn't want to bother with cloth diapers they can re-use
3. Family is cheap. They can afford it, but they see it as a non-essential, so just use city garbage cans
4. Diapers are not widely sold in China??? So people can't really buy them even if they wanted to

Or maybe another key reason?
 
Stryder, one thing that always amused me too. Chinese kids taking a dump in a trash can. I can think of some reasons why, but is there a definitive reason below you think is the main answer?

1. Family is poor and can't afford diapers
2. Family is lazy and doesn't want to bother with cloth diapers they can re-use
3. Family is cheap. They can afford it, but they see it as a non-essential, so just use city garbage cans
4. Diapers are not widely sold in China??? So people can't really buy them even if they wanted to

Or maybe another key reason?

It's because many Chinese believe that paper diapers are not good for babies butts...Which in some way is true. So they prefer to use cloth diapers...or no diapers at all. Diapers are now widely sold in China but many traditional Chinese families still refuse to use them....So basically, kids at very young age are taught to not to use diapers.....You should go to China and see all these toddlers wearing split open pants that reveal boy's balls and girls "slits" in all their glory! And when they have to go, the parents don't even bat an eyelash! That may fly over there but here and elsewhere? Now, I understand it if it's an emergency and your little 2 year old is jawing your ears off about going to the RR and there is not one around...It happens and when it does, I know the desperate feeling (especially when you are caught with your pants down with your kid in potty training, no extra diapers and no extra change of pants)...But when it's time, jus tell your kid to go where ever.......Look, just google what is going on in Hong Kong and their view of the mainlanders and their off-putting behavior!
 
You should go to China and see all these toddlers wearing split open pants that reveal boy's balls and girls "slits" in all their glory! And when they have to go, the parents don't even bat an eyelash!
Holy shi t, that's hilarious.

Look, just google what is going on in Hong Kong and their view of the mainlanders and their off-putting behavior!
OMG. Like Milhouse said one time in the Simpsons..... "I cannot look, but I cannot turn away"...... off to Google.
 
Holy shi t, that's hilarious.


OMG. Like Milhouse said one time in the Simpsons..... "I cannot look, but I cannot turn away"...... off to Google.

1. You should have seen when those toddlers bend over to pick up something...It's like..."MY GOD!!! MY EYES MY EYES!!!!!!!" I should know cause I wore those as a kid before I came to the States...It's also funny cause my oldest kid Alex was born in China and my wife and some of my relatives gave him clothes etc....And some of the pants all have huge slits in them! Ohh well, at least it was cool in the summer since you get some breeze down there while wearing Huggies...No, a I told my wife, inside the house, fine, have him wear the slit pants...Outside?!?!? Sorry, I aint embarrassing myself and him no matter what!

2. Also, google Hong Kong's "Cockroach Song".......It's pretty hilarious!
 
The Chinese may be a bit lacking compare to their economy growth, thinks to Mao, & his madness, but they are improving. You can see it in the younger generations. I would be surprise in a gen or two, they can be as civilize as other developed nation.

Some countries look like have no signs of improvement & in fact getting worst by the day, like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladeshi, where the younger gen are more fanatic than previous gen.
 
LOL..... "defecate on the street". WTF. I have never seen that ever in my life. Not even passed out homeless drunks do that.

Not in China you don't....

And this is why Chinese get such a bad rap everywhere! At one time, there was this Chinese parents, while in Disneyland Tokyo, let his young toddler son pee right into the pool at Sleeping Castle! In Paris, Chinese parents let their daughter poo poo right into a flower planter? Check! Line jumping? Check! Shoving and pushing their way towards the elevator? Check check! Smoke a ciggy right in a busy shopping mall, and when told to stop, blow smoke right into the employee face? Check check and double check! Hence why there are now some European hotels that ban Chinese from renting rooms or if not, have a special "Chinese entrance" and food areas separate from others. Today, not many Chinese complain about that...Shows how BAD the problem is that regular Chinese are now starting to realize that Chinese are embarrassing themselves and their country overseas. Even worse, in every U.N. "Most well mannered and cultured country" list, Chinese always finish at or near the bottom of the list, only beating out by Indians (from India)! Which is no small source of consternation for the Communist Party, who had now set up a department that specifically tracks Chinese abroad, and if they bring shame and embarrassment on the country, ban them from traveling again!
 
Not in China you don't....

And this is why Chinese get such a bad rap everywhere! At one time, there was this Chinese parents, while in Disneyland Tokyo, let his young toddler son pee right into the pool at Sleeping Castle! In Paris, Chinese parents let their daughter poo poo right into a flower planter? Check! Line jumping? Check! Shoving and pushing their way towards the elevator? Check check! Smoke a ciggy right in a busy shopping mall, and when told to stop, blow smoke right into the employee face? Check check and double check! Hence why there are now some European hotels that ban Chinese from renting rooms or if not, have a special "Chinese entrance" and food areas separate from others. Today, not many Chinese complain about that...Shows how BAD the problem is that regular Chinese are now starting to realize that Chinese are embarrassing themselves and their country overseas. Even worse, in every U.N. "Most well mannered and cultured country" list, Chinese always finish at or near the bottom of the list, only beating out by Indians (from India)! Which is no small source of consternation for the Communist Party, who had now set up a department that specifically tracks Chinese abroad, and if they bring shame and embarrassment on the country, ban them from traveling again!
I've been to southern China a few minutes times, and to Hong Kong for the last 8 racing carnivals... But I haven't noticed that...

But in saying that, I'm Aussie, so I consider the world as my urinal, and dont consider other peoples personal space.
 
I've been to southern China a few minutes times, and to Hong Kong for the last 8 racing carnivals... But I haven't noticed that...

But in saying that, I'm Aussie, so I consider the world as my urinal, and dont consider other peoples personal space.

Southern China and Hong Kong are far more well mannered than other parts of the country. Hong Kong especially due to the fact it once was a British colony. I mean, as I posted, look at how Hong Kongers view their Mainland counterpart...It's the rest of the country that give Chinese a bad name.
 
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