Which Horizon Did It Better? HFW V FH5

[DriedMangoes]

The fact how there are so many different angles and stills of Aloy showing both her good and bad side of her feminine features shows how far game character models and expressions have come since the PS1 days. Just like in real life, celebrities that are normally attractive can show their imperfections from a different angle or change in expression. Pretty impressive if you think about it, the amount of detail these days in next gen games in their facial expressions and mannerisms is amazing.

 

[Plainview]

Your fatphobic is showing.
You should listen to our friend here & be ashamed of your bigotry.



On a side note, if anyone asks what is a punchable face (figurative speaking), show them this video.

I can't tell if the pink hoodie alter-ego is supposed to be a parody of something or if he's being serious.

 

[menace-uk-]

I can't tell if the pink hoodie alter-ego is supposed to be a parody of something or if he's being serious.

It is a parody. Literally. Mocking the stupid SJWs.

 

[Kvally]

It is a parody. Literally. Mocking the stupid SJWs.

The world would be a better place without all the SJWs, especially all the SJW happening in game development.

 

[Swede]

WTF? lol You guys are going a bit far with how good you think it looks but it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

 

[starseeker]

I can't tell if the pink hoodie alter-ego is supposed to be a parody of something or if he's being serious.

10 years ago, I will no doubt believe its a joke. But its 2021. 10 years ago, make it 5, if you say mom will be replace with birthing people, & Amen replace with Amen & Awomen, I will think you are being funny as well. But here we are.

Let ignore that the "men" in Amen doesn't refer to "men", & birthing people while trying to be inclusive, is exclusive to foster & adopted moms, who deserved as much respect as bological mom.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Real reason for Aloy becoming more thick was because of Petra tbh.

 

[menace-uk-]

This poll blows my mind. How are any of you looking at these two games and aren't impressed with both. Even if you aren't into racers or long RPG type games, the quality on show is obvious.

 

[DriedMangoes]

This poll blows my mind. How are any of you looking at these two games and aren't impressed with both. Even if you aren't into racers or long RPG type games, the quality on show is obvious.

Well, the poll asks which one are you getting, not which ones were you impressed with, lol.

 

[DriedMangoes]

The real answer is probably this. FWIW, I feel attractive female characters can still kick ass. Look at Tifa in FF7 for example

 

[Kvally]

Well, the poll asks which one are you getting, not which ones were you impressed with, lol.

I didn't notice that. I voted "Both" because I was thinking both did it better.

"Which did it better?" then the poll is "which will you get?"

I have to change my vote now. I am only getting Forza Horizon 5.

karmakid your poll sucks!

 

[karmakid]

This poll blows my mind. How are any of you looking at these two games and aren't impressed with both. Even if you aren't into racers or long RPG type games, the quality on show is obvious.

Totes….I bought hzd because the story, and it’s like the Zelda sci-fi cousin, fh4 is just fun with silliness sprinkled everywhere. Both those and the new sequels look mighty impressive, I’m sure they’ll look the part on both generations.

*side note…I wonder if the water in fh5 is still from sea of thieves, oh and well we get f9 cars and missions using magnets if there’s dlc/expansion for it

 

[karmakid]

I didn't notice that. I voted "Both" because I was thinking both did it better.

"Which did it better?" then the poll is "which will you get?"

I have to change my vote now. I am only getting Forza Horizon 5.

karmakid your poll sucks!

The vote is a secondary quest

Should I change it or make a new one?

 

[Kvally]

The vote is a secondary quest

Should I change it or make a new one?

It's your poll. You do what you want with it.

I just changed my vote to properly answer the poll. To answer the topic question, both did it better. But HZD bored me to tears, so I won't be getting HZD2. Forza Horizon games have taken up much of my life gaming, so FH5 is a no brainer for me.

 

[hrudey]

They are totally different kinds of games LOL Forbidden West is doing way more than a racing game needs to so it's silly to compare, the only thing they have in common is they are open world.

Yeah, I mean, the racing game is a multiplayer game with loads of competitors around and the other game is a single player cutscene/walking simulator with sporadic two to three minute bursts of gameplay featuring as many as three enemies. (At least, that's what the 'gameplay' trailer indicates - there's not actually a single three minute stretch where there's not a cutscene of some sort).

 

[DriedMangoes]

Yeah, I mean, the racing game is a multiplayer game with loads of competitors around and the other game is a single player cutscene/walking simulator with sporadic two to three minute bursts of gameplay featuring as many as three enemies. (At least, that's what the 'gameplay' trailer indicates - there's not actually a single three minute stretch where there's not a cutscene of some sort).

I mean, they are entirely different games focused on different aspects of gameplay. One, there would be more richer environments and details because you're on foot and actually combatting enemies and talking to NPC's involved with the story-telling and moving around much slower while in the other you're driving around/racing and you'd be moving at much faster speeds.

Like JinCa said, the only thing in common is they're both open-world. Comparing anything else is just comparing apples to oranges. It's like comparing Leonardo Da Vinci and Picasso's paintings. You can't but you can appreciate both art.

Genres:
Third-Person, Action, Adventure, Open World, Role-Playing

Genres:
Open World, Racing/Driving

 

[Kvally]

the only thing in common is they're both open-world.

 

[DriedMangoes]

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[JinCA]

I mean, they are entirely different games focused on different aspects of gameplay. One, there would be more richer environments and details because you're on foot and actually combatting enemies and talking to NPC's involved with the story-telling and moving around much slower while in the other you're driving around/racing and you'd be moving at much faster speeds.

Like JinCa said, the only thing in common is they're both open-world. Comparing anything else is just comparing apples to oranges. It's like comparing Leonardo Da Vinci and Picasso's paintings. You can't but you can appreciate both art.

Genres:
Third-Person, Action, Adventure, Open World, Role-Playing

Genres:
Open World, Racing/Driving

Not to mention you have to animate everything in a 3rd person action game and racing games require very little animation. You also have access to areas in HFW you wouldn't have in a racing game, they don't have to worry about under water areas, the number of polygons in a car model is greatly reduced during gameplay compared to those vista things or replay modes as well. The thunderjaw in the first game had 550k polygons during gameplay, cars in racing games have nowhere near that during actual gameplay. Project cars had like 60k per car during gameplay so that's like 9 cars for one enemy machine and that one machine wasn't the only thing on screen, others would be near as well as the detailed human enemies, weapon effects etc.

 

[menace-uk-]

The real answer is probably this. FWIW, I feel attractive female characters can still kick ass. Look at Tifa in FF7 for example

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That is very sexist.

 

[Kvally]

Damn, JinCa doing his best to try and downplay why Forza Horizon 5 looks better. He's gonna have to try harder though. It's weird that he would point out that "Project Cars had like 60k per car". Yet he didn't point out that DriveClub was 250k per car during gameplay. And that was 7 years ago. Project Cars =/= Forza Horizon 5 (or all other games).

Horizon Zero Dawn also lowers asset polygons during game play.

Racing games, during game play, won't have as many poly's per asset because the game is rendering more active assets at once. Forza Horizon 4 is an open world racer where 10's of thousands of assets are full destructible (and retained). They have 72 cars (plus drivatars). All the cars have cosmetic damage, which needs to be remembered and detailed for all 72 cars. Not only cosmetic damage, but functional (engine, suspension, tire, fuel) damage (more of a CPU hit).

There is also a GPU hit with custom liveries. FH4 allows you to add 4000 layers of liveries to EACH car on the tracks and in the open world. The game needs to display all of those for all people in the game as well as Drivatars.

With FH5 they have massive physics calculations going on as well. Something not found in HZD. Previous Forza games, the tire collision model had one area of contact with the track surface and refreshed at about 60 cycles per second. The new model that FH5 is using has eight points of contact with the track surface and runs at 360 cycles per second. That is a 48x jump in just the tire collision model itself, for every car.

FH5 has full animation IN GAME PLAY of suspension, damage, tire deformation, spoilers, dams, wings, wheels, character head, body and hands (including AI/drivatar cars), shifting, instrument panel. Crowds are also fully animated. Back when FM5 was released, the Vista cars were over a million polygons. Pretty sure they cut that in half when on the track.

And this is all before you add physics of weather, track heat, real time weather, suspension, engine, fuel, part wear.

And all of this and it's the most realistic and best looking game this gen so far.

 

[menace-uk-]

Not to mention you have to animate everything in a 3rd person action game and racing games require very little animation. You also have access to areas in HFW you wouldn't have in a racing game, they don't have to worry about under water areas, the number of polygons in a car model is greatly reduced during gameplay compared to those vista things or replay modes as well. The thunderjaw in the first game had 550k polygons during gameplay, cars in racing games have nowhere near that during actual gameplay. Project cars had like 60k per car during gameplay so that's like 9 cars for one enemy machine and that one machine wasn't the only thing on screen, others would be near as well as the detailed human enemies, weapon effects etc.

Is this an excuse as to why HZDFW doesn't look better, or why FH5 looks so good?

 

[starseeker]

The real answer is probably this. FWIW, I feel attractive female characters can still kick ass. Look at Tifa in FF7 for example

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Nonsense.....

So strong women = look like men.

Jesus FKing Christ. These people never actually seen a strong woman in IRL. Women don't turned to looks like men because they work out or something.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Nonsense.....

So strong women = look like men.

Jesus FKing Christ. These people never actually seen a strong woman in IRL. Women don't turned to looks like men because they work out or something.

 

[yankeessuck]

The real answer is probably this. FWIW, I feel attractive female characters can still kick ass. Look at Tifa in FF7 for example

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There is no such article where they say anything like that though. Much like any discussion where devs are supposedly making female unattractive on purpose its just made up nonsense to push agendas.

If you find the actually gamefaqs board where that is from you will find out that he just made all that up

 

[JinCA]

Is this an excuse as to why HZDFW doesn't look better, or why FH5 looks so good?

HFW looks better than FH5 IMO, the best thing about FH5 is the lighting, the textures in both are good but better in Horizon FW, also a lot more pop in in FH5. Both are very nice looking games, both are also cross gen year one games.

 

[Kvally]

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Those dudes are happy to see each other. They must work out.

 

[starseeker]

Those dudes are happy to see each other. They must work out.

 

[menace-uk-]

HFW looks better than FH5 IMO, the best thing about FH5 is the lighting, the textures in both are good but better in Horizon FW, also a lot more pop in in FH5. Both are very nice looking games, both are also cross gen year one games.

That wasn't what I asked.

You are talking alot of nonsense n order to defend a game and I was curious why.

 

[JinCA]

That wasn't what I asked.

You are talking alot of nonsense n order to defend a game and I was curious why.

The premise of your question was flawed so you aren't going to get the answer you want. What I said was the truth not nonsense, someone pointed out the number of vehicles in a racing game and how in the only HFW demo we've seen so far that there aren't a ton of characters on screen so I pointed out how one enemy in Horizon takes up as many polygons as 9 cars in the last game, that's not nonsense that's a fact, same with animations etc all of that takes up resources a racing game doesn't have to worry about. That all being said I still think HFW looks better than FH5 so again your question is flawed because I wasn't trying to do either of the things you asked about.

People are trying to compare two totally different things here and again I think Forbidden West looks better, go back and watch the 4K footage and see how detailed everything is, the textures are better, nowhere near as much pop in and they are both running at 30fps.