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The One X is the most powerful console on the market and will be until next fall but most of the 4K games are variable res, the majority are not native 4K at all times and that's totally fine, it's still punching above it's weight as consoles often do. BTW DF has been wrong on a couple of occasions labeling a game as native 4K and then another site will find that it's actually variable. They only do a small sample of the game they don't play through the whole thing so it's not an exact science anyway. Funny thing is that whenJohn Linneman from DF gets it wrong and it's pointed out he goes on resetera and whines about how people are being mean to him and how ugly he is, it's pathetic lol.
But they are though.
 

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No, I don't have time to prove my point by reading that again, you got the source. I'm right of course, nothing really special about that.
If you don't have time to prove your point (especially when you're wrong) then don't state it.
 
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My son trade in his xbox 500 gig and got $150 towards xbox one x division 2 which is $399.99
Where at? Any idea if it's still good? Thinking about getting an X or just waiting until the new one comes out I imagine next year. Don't have 4k yet but probably will by end of the year so until then can make use of better performance at least.
 

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Where at? Any idea if it's still good? Thinking about getting an X or just waiting until the new one comes out I imagine next year. Don't have 4k yet but probably will by end of the year so until then can make use of better performance at least.
that deal was already past. It was at *chock* GAMESTOP.
 
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Yea that definitely seems the case. I have only tried Modern Warfare, but at least compared to the beta it looks amazing compared to that. Also tried Forza Horizon 4 and it looks at least as good as on PC. I only have the AMD 480 and it looks like the X has a 580 equivalent. Just need a 4k TV now.
 

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Seems like the Xbox team is following with Surface team with regards to hardware design and quality. MS is really after Apple with their subtle, higher end feeling designs.

I may be wrong but I think the design team behind the x, maybe the s as well, is the same as the recent surface products like the surface studio
 
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Yea that definitely seems the case. I have only tried Modern Warfare, but at least compared to the beta it looks amazing compared to that. Also tried Forza Horizon 4 and it looks at least as good as on PC. I only have the AMD 480 and it looks like the X has a 580 equivalent. Just need a 4k TV now.
580 and 480 are the same GPU with different clock speeds.
 
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If they Port down from XSX this gen won't hold back next gen.

Lets be honest the only reason this subject is even being brought up is because a certain group of fanboys attack anything Xbox does whether its good or bad. Nothing Xbox does will ever be good enough for them even though Sony has followed MS's foot steps in console design and features since the OG Xbox.
 

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Why is this even being brought up? We've seen scalability with PC games for DECADES...HELLO?!?!?!?!
totes, my only complaint is “With greater fidelity comes greater size...in games” how many disk will these games come on?

People with slow (ie North America/Australia), limited (US) and other countries may mis out or would have to jump through extra loops to play games.

I believe that’s the major reason why the Xbox one is in such a smaller world market when compared to PlayStation, they gotta be like in over 50% more markets the Xbox is atm.
 

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You are wrong is what.
Sony hasn't copied MS's console ideas?

Lets see where do I start?
During the PS2 era Sony uses the Emotion Engine, a cluster of processors that was a huge pain to develop on as the basis for its graphics and processing. No hard drive, all custom Sony hardware, tacked on on-line network that has to be provided by each 3rd party on a per game basis.
2001: OG Xbox brings with it an X86 CPU, Nvidia GPU using programmable Shaders and built in hard drive. Xbox makes it easy to develop games on. Create your gamer tag on a Unified gaming Network and game across all games with the same Xbox Live GT. 3rd parties don't have to worry about the on-line network because MS provides the network for every Xbox game. Only downside is you have to pay for XBL.

2005: Xbox launches Xbox 360. Has 2 price points $300 & $400. MS went to AMD for their GPU and launches the 1st GPU with Unified shaders . 360 brings with it the dashboard, Achievements that stay attached to your Gamer Tag and replays (the fore runner to screen shots). MS ahead of the smart tv craze throws apps into their dashboard making the 360 a media Power House. 360 also brings with it an indie dev program allowing indies to launch their games on Xbox 360 relatively easily. Mid way through the Gen MS and AMD develop the 1st console SOC by integrating 360's CPU & GPU. MS finds out there are other benefits to putting the CPU & GPU onto a SOC that improve performance over discrete parts.

2006: Sony launches PS3 copying MS's 2 price point strategy at $500 & $600. PS3 uses Nvidia (after Sony realizes their 2 Cell strategy was going to get destroyed) who previously provided Xbox with their GPU for the PS3 GPU. Sony finally decides that adding a Hard drive was a great idea by MS back in 2001. Sony also thinks a Unified Network like XBL is the way to go so PSN is developed and given a way for free. PSN is behind so Sony hires one of MS's XBL architects to help develop PSN.
Sony steals Xbox Achievements and calls them Trophies and adds apps to PS3 but PSN is still missing key features from XBL like cross chat and the indie programs.

2013: MS naturally goes with AMD again as they have developed a good relationship after the 360 SOC design. This time MS pays AMD over $3 billion to develop a SOC with the CPU, GPU and memory controller all on a single chip.
Sony decides they can't beat MS's hardware unless they steal MS's strategy. Sony goes to AMD and asks them to make the PS4 SOC knowing that they are also providing MS with their SOC. Sony also decides they should charge for PSN and finally realizes that indies are also important.

2014: Xbox launches a backwards compatibility program that goes back two gens. Not only does Xbox BC play old games but it also enhances them. Xbox gets some good press from gamers who don't like having to buy the same games twice.
With the PS2 Sony once thought BC was important but since then has dropped support for it.

2015: The 1st rumors of MS developing a 4K HW update for the XB1 leak out. Sony in a panic move decides they will beat out MS's 4K updated HW with their own 4K updated HW.

2016: Sony launches their quickly slapped together PS4 Pro. The Pro smells of a quickly engineered console. The Pro is a 4K update but very rarely reaches 4K in AAA games and doesn't even come with a 4K Blu Ray player which is a 1st for a Sony console which have always launched with updated media drives.

2017: MS launches XB1X. It reaches 4K most of the times but in some instances there are slightly lower resolutions. XB1X also comes with a 4K Blu Ray Player and 4 extra Gigs of Ram. XB1X is the 1st console to use a vapor chamber and MS has a patented method to tweak the SOC's thermals on a per unit basis. The X is well engineered design that runs quietly.
 
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Sony hasn't copied MS's console ideas?

Lets see where do I start?
During the PS2 era Sony uses the Emotion Engine, a cluster of processors that was a huge pain to develop on as the basis for its graphics and processing. No hard drive, all custom Sony hardware, tacked on on-line network that has to be provided by each 3rd party on a per game basis.
2001: OG Xbox brings with it an X86 CPU, Nvidia GPU using programmable Shaders and built in hard drive. Xbox makes it easy to develop games on. Create your gamer tag on a Unified gaming Network and game across all games with the same Xbox Live GT. 3rd parties don't have to worry about the on-line network because MS provides the network for every Xbox game. Only downside is you have to pay for XBL.

2005: Xbox launches Xbox 360. Has 2 price points $300 & $400. MS went to AMD for their GPU and launches the 1st GPU with Unified shaders . 360 brings with it the dashboard, Achievements that stay attached to your Gamer Tag and replays (the fore runner to screen shots). MS ahead of the smart tv craze throws apps into their dashboard making the 360 a media Power House. 360 also brings with it an indie dev program allowing indies to launch their games on Xbox 360 relatively easily. Mid way through the Gen MS and AMD develop the 1st console SOC by integrating 360's CPU & GPU. MS finds out there are other benefits to putting the CPU & GPU onto a SOC that improve performance over discrete parts.

2006: Sony launches PS3 copying MS's 2 price point strategy at $500 & $600. PS3 uses Nvidia (after Sony realizes their 2 Cell strategy was going to get destroyed) who previously provided Xbox with their GPU for the PS3 GPU. Sony finally decides that adding a Hard drive was a great idea by MS back in 2001. Sony also thinks a Unified Network like XBL is the way to go so PSN is developed and given a way for free. PSN is behind so Sony hires one of MS's XBL architects to help develop PSN.
Sony steals Xbox Achievements and calls them Trophies and adds apps to PS3 but PSN is still missing key features from XBL like cross chat and the indie programs.

2013: MS naturally goes with AMD again as they have developed a good relationship after the 360 SOC design. This time MS pays AMD over $3 billion to develop a SOC with the CPU, GPU and memory controller all on a single chip.
Sony decides they can't beat MS's hardware unless they steal MS's strategy. Sony goes to AMD and asks them to make the PS4 SOC knowing that they are also providing MS with their SOC. Sony also decides they should charge for PSN and finally realizes that indies are also important.

2014: Xbox launches a backwards compatibility program that goes back two gens. Not only does Xbox BC play old games but it also enhances them. Xbox gets some good press from gamers who don't like having to buy the same games twice.
With the PS2 Sony once thought BC was important but since then has dropped support for it.

2015: The 1st rumors of MS developing a 4K HW update for the XB1 leak out. Sony in a panic move decides they will beat out MS's 4K updated HW with their own 4K updated HW.

2016: Sony launches their quickly slapped together PS4 Pro. The Pro smells of a quickly engineered console. The Pro is a 4K update but very rarely reaches 4K in AAA games and doesn't even come with a 4K Blu Ray player which is a 1st for a Sony console which have always launched with updated media drives.

2017: MS launches XB1X. It reaches 4K most of the times but in some instances there are slightly lower resolutions. XB1X also comes with a 4K Blu Ray Player and 4 extra Gigs of Ram. XB1X is the 1st console to use a vapor chamber and MS has a patented method to tweak the SOC's thermals on a per unit basis. The X is well engineered design that runs quietly.
1st of all... MS AND SONY copy off Nintendo and MS copied off Sega,Nintendo and Sony.
Xbox OG is a wannabe Dreamcast and DC started console online gaming in NA.
PS2 and PS3 had BC before XB did and they got enhancements.

360 did not do cross chat.

Pro came out b4 X and neither do 4K all the time and in some cases both hit below 1080p.
PS3 didn't have services behind a paywall ie Netflix etc like XB360 did. XBO followed PS3 and no longer does this.
PS3 was not only a way better media house than 360 but it also helped Blu-Ray beat the inferior HDDVD that 360 used.

None of what you said or my rebuttal have anything to do with what I was talking about that you are wrong about.